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Mother Upset After Son Kicked Out of Class Over Pledge of Allegiance

13 comments

  1. [4]
    acdw Link
    I don't understand how this is legal, given the ruling of West Va. State BOE vs. Barnette. Like, this is a solved issue. You can't force students to say the pledge. The teacher shouldn't have...

    I don't understand how this is legal, given the ruling of West Va. State BOE vs. Barnette. Like, this is a solved issue. You can't force students to say the pledge. The teacher shouldn't have escalated the situation.

    23 votes
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      Triple_Soft Link Parent
      People's knowledge of enforcing authority and their knowledge of enforcing freedom sadly lack parity. As a Cuban American she was biased, considered him more entitled and arrogant rather than...

      People's knowledge of enforcing authority and their knowledge of enforcing freedom sadly lack parity. As a Cuban American she was biased, considered him more entitled and arrogant rather than having a legitimate grievance.

      5 votes
      1. [2]
        nsa Link Parent
        You would think she would have had respect for freedom of speech though, though I see how this could have appeared ungrateful.

        You would think she would have had respect for freedom of speech though, though I see how this could have appeared ungrateful.

        1 vote
        1. gyrozeppeli Link Parent
          Ungrateful or not it doesn't matter, you can't force people to participate. It just shows that she has no idea how freedom or rights work in the US despite becoming a citizen and being adamant...

          Ungrateful or not it doesn't matter, you can't force people to participate. It just shows that she has no idea how freedom or rights work in the US despite becoming a citizen and being adamant enough to kick a child out of a classroom for it.

          2 votes
  2. [4]
    gyrozeppeli Link
    Uh, one should not even require permission. Requiring anyone to stand for the pledge of allegiance is profoundly messed up and goes against the entire point of the flag. This isn't even an open...

    According to a handbook from the district, students can opt out of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance “upon written authorization from parent.”

    Uh, one should not even require permission. Requiring anyone to stand for the pledge of allegiance is profoundly messed up and goes against the entire point of the flag. This isn't even an open case in the slightest, it was already decided by the Supreme court 75 years ago as another comment here mentioned.

    9 votes
    1. [2]
      SunSpotter Link Parent
      Schools are frequently in violation of their own rule enforcement, let alone federal laws and case precedent. I've been out of high school for a few years now, but I still remember how stubborn...

      Schools are frequently in violation of their own rule enforcement, let alone federal laws and case precedent. I've been out of high school for a few years now, but I still remember how stubborn admin could be, even when the students were in the right.

      I think it's really easy to get cocky as a high school staff/faculty member. Minors are on the whole rash, and more importantly don't enjoy legal independence, so it's much easier to justify stepping on them.

      Most often schools really only back down when parents get serious about legal action. But frequently, the offense is so minor that its better to just learn the life lesson that some people in authority are jerks, and you can't always win against them.

      2 votes
      1. gyrozeppeli Link Parent
        I agree, in most cases. However this is a serious violation of free speech, which historically has not gone well for the school authority.

        I agree, in most cases. However this is a serious violation of free speech, which historically has not gone well for the school authority.

        1 vote
    2. madjo Link Parent
      In the land of the free* and the home of the brave. * Terms and conditions apply

      In the land of the free*
      and the home of the brave.

      * Terms and conditions apply

      1 vote
  3. alyaza Link
    this is the most detailed report on this incident as far as i can tell, but see also the other reporting on this as this is seemingly becoming a national issue and has been picked up by larger...

    this is the most detailed report on this incident as far as i can tell, but see also the other reporting on this as this is seemingly becoming a national issue and has been picked up by larger outlets focusing on the arrest part.

    7 votes
  4. Nmg Link
    Some people love the liberty America provides so much they think you should be required to pledge allegiance to its flag. ...does anyone who think this way really know what they sound like?

    Some people love the liberty America provides so much they think you should be required to pledge allegiance to its flag.

    ...does anyone who think this way really know what they sound like?

    6 votes
  5. Thrabalen Link
    Allegiance forced is no allegiance at all. Also, forcing children to swear fealty to their nation with a loyalty oath is unseemly.

    Allegiance forced is no allegiance at all. Also, forcing children to swear fealty to their nation with a loyalty oath is unseemly.

    5 votes
  6. letterbee Link
    I personally don't get the point, but arresting someone over their own choice is clearly unamerican in it's own right.

    I personally don't get the point, but arresting someone over their own choice is clearly unamerican in it's own right.

    2 votes
  7. welly Link
    Because of course 11 year old boys can just up-sticks and move to another country of their choosing... Just because you disagree with ways your country of residence works doesn't mean you should...

    the substitute teacher reported telling the 11-year-old boy "Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live"

    Because of course 11 year old boys can just up-sticks and move to another country of their choosing...

    Just because you disagree with ways your country of residence works doesn't mean you should just leave. If anything, you should stick around and try and make changes to improve things.