i said on the last brexit thread the following: that was a good bet then, and i think it'll be a good bet going forward too. the most any of these ideas got was 268 (2nd referendum), and even that...
i said on the last brexit thread the following:
this has potential to work out quite well--if there's a majority for literally anything in the indicative votes, anyways. the problem of course is that there is not a lot to suggest there will be. the house of commons has been pretty divided up to this point on every alternative plan to may's (and no deal), and unless they miraculously come to compromise in short order i do suspect that all this is going to do is eat up more clock without any definitive alternative managing to bubble up through the partisan chicanery and challenge the current status quo (which is essentially crashing out with no deal, since nobody wants may's deal).
that was a good bet then, and i think it'll be a good bet going forward too. the most any of these ideas got was 268 (2nd referendum), and even that still needs what, an additional 45 or so votes to clear the bar for a majority in the house of commons? it'd be one thing if it failed by 10, but it's hard to see any proposal scrounging up that many additional votes if the most palatable option on the table by far in votes and for the commons to deal with--which is to just punt it back to the people and have the commons deliver on that outcome--fell pretty well short of the majority needed (maybe the customs union will somehow? it did only "lose" 264-272)
I think what was mentioned twice in the points of order following the voting results make a lot of sense: Compromise. Combine two alternatives to get them across the line. Say May's deal...
I think what was mentioned twice in the points of order following the voting results make a lot of sense:
Compromise. Combine two alternatives to get them across the line. Say May's deal contingent on a people's confirmatory vote or Customs union combined with some other alternative.
I think it was painfully obvious from the Brexit minister's statement that the government still refuse to listen to reason and want to ram their deal down the throats of parliament as their entire game plan seems to have been the last two years, intensifying over the last four months since the deal's been present.
i would bet on this being more likely to piss people off than to actually unite them, though. combining deals usually ends up watering them down to a point where nobody feels like they're actually...
I think what was mentioned twice in the points of order following the voting results make a lot of sense:
Compromise. Combine two alternatives to get them across the line. Say May's deal contingent on a people's confirmatory vote or Customs union combined with some other alternative.
i would bet on this being more likely to piss people off than to actually unite them, though. combining deals usually ends up watering them down to a point where nobody feels like they're actually getting what they want (which is actually basically why the EFTA/EEA option got destroyed so badly--it's sorta a mixture of a few possibilities, but that mixture also means nobody really likes it because it's not extreme enough in either direction)
i said on the last brexit thread the following:
that was a good bet then, and i think it'll be a good bet going forward too. the most any of these ideas got was 268 (2nd referendum), and even that still needs what, an additional 45 or so votes to clear the bar for a majority in the house of commons? it'd be one thing if it failed by 10, but it's hard to see any proposal scrounging up that many additional votes if the most palatable option on the table by far in votes and for the commons to deal with--which is to just punt it back to the people and have the commons deliver on that outcome--fell pretty well short of the majority needed (maybe the customs union will somehow? it did only "lose" 264-272)
I think what was mentioned twice in the points of order following the voting results make a lot of sense:
Compromise. Combine two alternatives to get them across the line. Say May's deal contingent on a people's confirmatory vote or Customs union combined with some other alternative.
I think it was painfully obvious from the Brexit minister's statement that the government still refuse to listen to reason and want to ram their deal down the throats of parliament as their entire game plan seems to have been the last two years, intensifying over the last four months since the deal's been present.
i would bet on this being more likely to piss people off than to actually unite them, though. combining deals usually ends up watering them down to a point where nobody feels like they're actually getting what they want (which is actually basically why the EFTA/EEA option got destroyed so badly--it's sorta a mixture of a few possibilities, but that mixture also means nobody really likes it because it's not extreme enough in either direction)