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Video Shows Chicago Police Officers Punching And Dragging A 16-Year-Old Student Down Stairs

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    Algernon_Asimov Link
    I don't even understand the context for this. Why was the student directed to leave the campus for having her phone out in class? Surely that's an internal disciplinary matter, for which she...

    I don't even understand the context for this. Why was the student directed to leave the campus for having her phone out in class? Surely that's an internal disciplinary matter, for which she should have been sent to the principal's office. Why are there security officers at a school? Why are the security officers dealing with a student without a teacher or other staff member present? Why are there police officers in a school (especially if there's already security staff there)? What sort of draconian regime are Chicago schools operating under that even allowed the circumstances for this interaction between an unarmed teenager and armed police officers to occur?

    And why the fuck are all those other people just standing around watching someone get attacked without doing anything? Why isn't someone running to get a teacher? Why wasn't there a teacher present in the first place, dealing with this student who was under disciplinary action?

    What the fuck is going on over there that schools are run like armed concentration camps and students just accept it as normal that a fellow student will be assaulted by police officers, and they all wander off because "there's nothing to see here, folks"?

    I mean... I understand the idea of police brutality; we're not without our own police problems here in Australia (although nowhere near the level of America). But we don't put security officers and police officers in our schools.

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      hungariantoast Link Parent
      You and others might be interested to know that 64% of high schools and 63% of middle schools in the United States have at least one officer on campus. That's not even counting non-police security...

      You and others might be interested to know that 64% of high schools and 63% of middle schools in the United States have at least one officer on campus.

      That's not even counting non-police security entities.

      And why the fuck are all those other people just standing around watching someone get attacked without doing anything? Why isn't someone running to get a teacher?

      If anyone would have stepped in to stop the officers, they would have been harmed, arrested, and charged as well, teachers included. If multiple students would have intervened, the officers may have backed down or fled, but there would have been repercussions for every single student who participated, whether they be legal or academic in nature. There's literally nothing anyone without a badge could have done to help that girl.

      I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the United States, the police, as an institution and as individuals, are largely feared more than anything else, precisely because there's next to zero avenues of practical defense against them for a citizen without a badge. Your only options are to comply and hope they won't abuse you, or resist and give them all the excuse they need (sometimes up to an even institutional level) to harm and potentially kill you.

      That's why you don't see very much resistance against them. That's why, even when in a protest, the police can just attack, unprovoked, one or two protestors, drag them off, and arrest them, because Americans are bound by fear and unable to defend themselves even when in groups.

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        Algernon_Asimov Link Parent
        Wow. That's two-thirds of all schools having an armed police presence. I... I... fuck. I can't even process that. I can understand that the police might react badly to other students jumping in to...

        64% of high schools and 63% of middle schools in the United States have at least one officer on campus.

        Wow. That's two-thirds of all schools having an armed police presence. I... I... fuck. I can't even process that.

        If anyone would have stepped in to stop the officers, they would have been harmed, arrested, and charged as well, teachers included.

        I can understand that the police might react badly to other students jumping in to the situation, but if a teacher turns up and says "What are you doing?" surely the officers would stop and respond to a voice of authority. After all, it's teachers (and principals) who are in charge at schools, not police.

        I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the United States, the police, as an institution and as individuals, are largely feared more than anything else

        There is definitely some concern about a few bad apples in the police force. We've had a few scandals involving excess force, and even some police brutality: as I type this, I'm remembering a video I saw recently where six police officers dragged a mentally disabled man out of his home and assaulted him on his front lawn with capsicum spray because he was uncooperative when they turned up on his doorstop after his psychiatrist had told them she was concerned for his welfare. There's a call for more transparency and higher standards - and better reviews conducted by an independent third-party rather than internal police divisions when negative incidents occur. Police are also responding to concerns by increasing the diversity of the force: employing more women, more non-white people, and more minorities, to reduce the macho "straight white bloke" culture within the force.

        However, overall, people here will turn to police for help, rather than turn away in fear. This idea of being afraid of your own police force is something foreign (pun intended) to me.

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        1. Yugioh_Mishima Link Parent
          US cops would have beaten him to a pulp, assuming they didn’t shoot him. Organizations for people with mental illness and learning disabilities explicitly advise the families of people with such...

          I saw recently where six police officers dragged a mentally disabled man out of his home and assaulted him on his front lawn with capsicum spray

          US cops would have beaten him to a pulp, assuming they didn’t shoot him. Organizations for people with mental illness and learning disabilities explicitly advise the families of people with such conditions to not call police if they have episodes, or even just get lost, because cops will probably hurt them very badly.

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          Gaywallet Link Parent
          From my experience they'll see it as a challenge to their authority and will not respond very kindly to the person interrupting. At least, the kind of police officer we see in this video tends to...

          surely the officers would stop and respond to a voice of authority

          From my experience they'll see it as a challenge to their authority and will not respond very kindly to the person interrupting. At least, the kind of police officer we see in this video tends to act in this fashion.

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          1. alyaza Link Parent
            yeah, if you're the kind of police officer who's dragging people down the stairs for like no reason and stomping on them, some teacher telling you to fuck off probably isn't about to dissuade you...

            yeah, if you're the kind of police officer who's dragging people down the stairs for like no reason and stomping on them, some teacher telling you to fuck off probably isn't about to dissuade you (especially considering that the teacher has literally no power in the situation), lol.

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      2. Cosmos Link Parent
        And this is really starting to bite us in the ass. The constant fear of police only makes communities less safe. It makes people less willing to reach out to the police if they have a problem. It...

        And this is really starting to bite us in the ass. The constant fear of police only makes communities less safe. It makes people less willing to reach out to the police if they have a problem.

        It leads to stuff like this. Where someone pretending to be a cop called 70 businesses and got them all to strip search their employees.

        And it's why scams like the IRS callers are so successful.

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    2. alyaza Link Parent
      honestly, armed police, metal detectors, and locked doors + IDs (and combinations thereof) aren't that unusual even in a lot of better off schools nowadays in america due to school shootings, but...

      Why are there police officers in a school (especially if there's already security staff there)? What sort of draconian regime are Chicago schools operating under that even allowed the circumstances for this interaction between an unarmed teenager and armed police officers to occur?

      I mean... I understand the idea of police brutality; we're not without our own police problems here in Australia (although nowhere near the level of America). But we don't put security officers and police officers in our schools.

      honestly, armed police, metal detectors, and locked doors + IDs (and combinations thereof) aren't that unusual even in a lot of better off schools nowadays in america due to school shootings, but as i understand in the inner city/minority poor parts of chicago, it's mostly a response to things like gang violence. that said, you probably wouldn't see this even in a lot of other inner city schools--the chicago PD just happens to be particularly dogshit, and this is nowhere near the first time they've massively overreacted to something pretty minor.

      as far as the other questions, i dunno. i'd imagine there's a procedure here, but the chicago PD isn't exactly well known for following that either (i mean, they even fucked up the procedure with jussie smollett's case, and that was a pretty big one where they had no business deviating).

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    3. no_exit Link Parent
      I went to high school in borderline bumfuck nowhere and even we had at least 1 cop present at all times, more when they would do drug sweeps. For those, they would lock everything down and walk...

      I went to high school in borderline bumfuck nowhere and even we had at least 1 cop present at all times, more when they would do drug sweeps. For those, they would lock everything down and walk dogs through the whole building, including the classrooms we were in.

      What the fuck is going on over there that schools are run like armed concentration camps and students just accept it as normal that a fellow student will be assaulted by police officers, and they all wander off because "there's nothing to see here, folks"?

      stares in Foucault

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  2. alyaza Link
    chicago PD hasn't been making the best name for itself in the past few months between the shitshow that got a lot of rahm emmanuel's lackeys ousted in the recent elections, the jussie smollet...

    chicago PD hasn't been making the best name for itself in the past few months between the shitshow that got a lot of rahm emmanuel's lackeys ousted in the recent elections, the jussie smollet case, now this, and i suspect that this case isn't going to really help their already abysmal image with the public now that bigger media outlets are picking up on it.

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