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In ‘lobster war,’ indigenous Canadians face attacks by fishermen

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  1. cfabbro
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    Offtopic, but I recently popped back onto reddit and saw a bunch of submissions about this posted to /r/Canada and /r/CanadaPolitics... and it made me seriously value the fact that I no longer...

    Offtopic, but I recently popped back onto reddit and saw a bunch of submissions about this posted to /r/Canada and /r/CanadaPolitics... and it made me seriously value the fact that I no longer regularly visit reddit to get my national news. The comment sections were (and still are) a total shitshow in both subreddits, with a ridiculous amount of blatantly bigoted and misinformation filled comments reaching the top, many of which were more akin to something I would expect to see on /r/MetaCanada (ultra right-wing shithole). The comments on /r/onguardforthee about this were reasonable and largely informative at least though.

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      simoom
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      Why not both? Humans are pretty complicated.

      To me this just sounds like a case of violence fueled by white supremacy and racism, not economic anxiety.

      Why not both? Humans are pretty complicated.

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            Flashynuff
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            I think the same assumption should be made about the Mi’kmaq fishers. I would imagine that they understand how fishing works and likely wouldn't be doing this if it was actually damaging to the...

            I am assuming the government imposes hunting/fishing seasons for a reason, and not with the purpose of riling up white supremacy against Native Americans , and as such fishing outside of those periods could very well be damaging to breeding/repopulation.

            I think the same assumption should be made about the Mi’kmaq fishers. I would imagine that they understand how fishing works and likely wouldn't be doing this if it was actually damaging to the stocks. Remember, they've been around longer than the Canadian government...

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              1. Flashynuff
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                With all due respect, that's not at all what I said. I'm not a lobster fisher and neither are you. Why should we assume they don't know what they're doing?

                With all due respect, that's not at all what I said. I'm not a lobster fisher and neither are you. Why should we assume they don't know what they're doing?

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    2. knocklessmonster
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      They go hand in hand. Worth noting: economic anxiety doesn't have to be because something is happening, but because something is seen to be happening. Hell, in the American past, houses with Black...

      To me this just sounds like a case of violence fueled by white supremacy and racism, not economic anxiety.

      They go hand in hand. Worth noting: economic anxiety doesn't have to be because something is happening, but because something is seen to be happening. Hell, in the American past, houses with Black neighbors were devalued for entirely non-economic reasons, but that doesn't mitigate the economic effect of that system. It's entirely possible that concern over Indigenous fishermen could lead to a similar issue with ruining lobstering through some means we don't see yet, even if the Indigenous fishermen in question didn't do anything (like the Black home owners who only bought a house).

      There just is no way that these 500 odd traps are going to somehow wipe out the lobster population and if they are, then these white fishermen should probably all find a new livelihood considering they have almost a million traps in the ocean themselves.

      Definitely. I think a lot of these industries are going to collapse in the coming years (couple of decades, probably), and we may see this story play out anywhere the potential exists for sort of interaction between race and economics. We've had similar things happen with tribal grazing lands in the US, even.

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