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Canadians Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, detained in China almost three years, now on plane home. Chinese tech executive Meng Wangzhou left Canada earlier Friday evening.

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  1. [3]
    Loire
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    I assumed the CCP would take a little longer in terms of releasing them for the sake of appearances. The speed with which they were released just proves they were simply political hostages.

    I assumed the CCP would take a little longer in terms of releasing them for the sake of appearances.

    The speed with which they were released just proves they were simply political hostages.

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    1. streblo
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      I mean that’s exactly what they are trying to say here — to make it very clear to other countries they will retaliate tit for tat.

      I mean that’s exactly what they are trying to say here — to make it very clear to other countries they will retaliate tit for tat.

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    2. cfabbro
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      IKR? It's almost farcical how fast they released them once Meng went free.

      IKR? It's almost farcical how fast they released them once Meng went free.

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    streblo
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    Puts this in an interesting light. I think this is very true and one of the things that bothers me about wanting to draw lines in the sand re: China. Not a fan of the CCP at all but hard to see...

    Puts this in an interesting light.

    The leaders are asked what they would do about Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, Canadian detainees in China.

    Singh says more pressure needs to be put on China.
    That’s exactly what Canada is doing, Trudeau responds, noting he has gotten help from the U.S. and other allies to work on the release of the two men, who have come to be known as Two Michaels.
    O’Toole says Trudeau has “let the Michaels down.”
    He notes that Trudeau “didn’t show up for a vote on the Uyghur genocide.”
    Trudeau responds: “If you want to get the Michaels out, you don’t lob tomatoes across the ocean.”

    I think this is very true and one of the things that bothers me about wanting to draw lines in the sand re: China. Not a fan of the CCP at all but hard to see how harsher rhetoric from the Canadian government would have a) accomplished anything and b) expedited the Michaels release.

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    1. Loire
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      On the one hand I agree with what Trudeau says in terms of lobbing tomatoes. Diplomacy is key here. On the other hand his opponents jabs are also true. The Michaels have been in Chinese custody...

      On the one hand I agree with what Trudeau says in terms of lobbing tomatoes. Diplomacy is key here.

      On the other hand his opponents jabs are also true. The Michaels have been in Chinese custody for over a thousand days. The only reason they are being released is because the Americans reached a deal to withdraw extradition efforts. We just waited for a more amenable US administration to come along.

      Could we have done more? Maybe not, we are a smaller country stuck between giants. Should we try for more? Ya probably. China is going to continue being belligerent well into the future.

      This is not a personal win for Trudeau nor a rebuke for his detractors on this particular issue.

      Edit: I just want to add, sometimes a harsher rebuke isn't about helping in the moment but preventing future reoccurrences. The way this has played out I don't see any reason the CCP wouldn't just take hostages again. They lost nothing of significance from the decision and saw no reason to pretend it was anything other than what it was.

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