It will be interesting to see if this holds in light of the attack. Anecdotal, but I have seen large numbers of comments from people stating that they either no longer support the free Palestine...
(especially given that for example support for Israel is already seriously low among young Americans).
It will be interesting to see if this holds in light of the attack. Anecdotal, but I have seen large numbers of comments from people stating that they either no longer support the free Palestine movement, or are at best indifferent to it.
I have seen the same thing. I think a lot of commenters can see themselves in the people targeted, whether at the rave/music festival or other ways. If they had had the discipline to distinguish...
I have seen the same thing. I think a lot of commenters can see themselves in the people targeted, whether at the rave/music festival or other ways.
If they had had the discipline to distinguish between foreign tourists and Israelis and release the foreigners for example, attitudes might be different, or might not.
What went down is very ugly, cruel, malicious, sexist toward the women victims, indifferent and brutal to the elderly. We are most of us observers typically shielded from war, whether regular or partisan/irregular. But also these Hamas fighters don't have the restraint of soldiers in a standing army (and war crimes exist and have always existed) It is one thing to say free Palestine. It is another to recognize that a successful revolt would also involve the massacre and abuse of Israelis.
I don't see how anyone can really support either side. I support the idea of Israel. I support the Palestinian people who really have been living in an apartheid state. I do not see how anyone...
I don't see how anyone can really support either side. I support the idea of Israel. I support the Palestinian people who really have been living in an apartheid state. I do not see how anyone could actually support either entity though. Both just seem evil.
I don't support either side at this point in time, as I'm aware I lack nearly enough information to make that sort of call or opinion. However, I deeply loathe Hamas after the music festival...
I don't support either side at this point in time, as I'm aware I lack nearly enough information to make that sort of call or opinion. However, I deeply loathe Hamas after the music festival massacre. That's just plain terrorism and deeply disgusting.
Hamas does not represent most Palestinians. They’re terrorists by most definitions. However i think the formation of such a group was inevitable given the actions of the Israeli state and its...
Hamas does not represent most Palestinians. They’re terrorists by most definitions. However i think the formation of such a group was inevitable given the actions of the Israeli state and its military.
Agreed, hence why I specifically mentioned Hamas. I loathe them both for the harm to Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians, as the actions of Hamas have guaranteed an aggressive response...
Agreed, hence why I specifically mentioned Hamas. I loathe them both for the harm to Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians, as the actions of Hamas have guaranteed an aggressive response against Palestine as a whole. Not just from Israel, but from the rest of the world.
I don’t know - they would like ‘have to exist’ in the first place, for that to matter. Also, so far the only international backlash is immediate revocation of any money going to Palestine.
I don’t know - they would like ‘have to exist’ in the first place, for that to matter.
Also, so far the only international backlash is immediate revocation of any money going to Palestine.
A lot of reporting has focused on the prisoner exchange idea. My feeling here is that this, if it is actually part of their motivations, will be a massive backfire. There was already a lot of...
The most significant factor for Hamas is the sheer number of hostages hauled back to Gaza. Israel handed over 1,000 Palestinian prisoners to free a single soldier, Gilad Shalit, after five years of captivity by Hamas in 2011.
“Hamas understands very well that, when it comes to holding Israeli prisoners, patience is all they need,” said a regional diplomat who helped negotiate Shalit’s release. “Over time, the Israeli public will create the pressure. All Hamas has to do is wait.”
A lot of reporting has focused on the prisoner exchange idea. My feeling here is that this, if it is actually part of their motivations, will be a massive backfire. There was already a lot of unrest about the Gilad Shalit trade and I suspect this will be taken as a lesson that negotiating with terrorists is a bad plan. All that trade did was motivate Hamas to take hostages. There may be some direct negotiating between Hamas and the countries of the foreign hostages, but I am doubtful that Israel will repeat their error.
Yeah, I don't think that's going to be how this ends up working. I think most of those hostages are going to end up dead, and the same goes for most of the currently living Hamas fighters, along...
Yeah, I don't think that's going to be how this ends up working. I think most of those hostages are going to end up dead, and the same goes for most of the currently living Hamas fighters, along with many, many, many thousands of Palestinian civilians.
I think we will see the results very soon. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-fighting-monday-intl-hnk/index.html And It’s evident that this retaliation will be of a...
“We declare that we will respond to any targeting of our people who are safe in their homes without warning, with the execution of our civilian hostages, and we will broadcast it with audio and video,” Abu Obaida said in a statement on the Al-Qassam Brigades’ Telegram channel.
And
Earlier, IDF spokesperson Lt. Col. Richard Hecht was asked whether it had stopped the “knock on the roof,” which is the Israeli military’s warning for civilians before it bombs a building. Hecht responded that Hamas did not “knock on the roof.”
It’s evident that this retaliation will be of a different, more brutal nature, with the sole objective of ensuring Hamas militants are killed with no regard for collateral damage.
It will be interesting to see if this holds in light of the attack. Anecdotal, but I have seen large numbers of comments from people stating that they either no longer support the free Palestine movement, or are at best indifferent to it.
I have seen the same thing. I think a lot of commenters can see themselves in the people targeted, whether at the rave/music festival or other ways.
If they had had the discipline to distinguish between foreign tourists and Israelis and release the foreigners for example, attitudes might be different, or might not.
What went down is very ugly, cruel, malicious, sexist toward the women victims, indifferent and brutal to the elderly. We are most of us observers typically shielded from war, whether regular or partisan/irregular. But also these Hamas fighters don't have the restraint of soldiers in a standing army (and war crimes exist and have always existed) It is one thing to say free Palestine. It is another to recognize that a successful revolt would also involve the massacre and abuse of Israelis.
I don't see how anyone can really support either side. I support the idea of Israel. I support the Palestinian people who really have been living in an apartheid state. I do not see how anyone could actually support either entity though. Both just seem evil.
I don't support either side at this point in time, as I'm aware I lack nearly enough information to make that sort of call or opinion. However, I deeply loathe Hamas after the music festival massacre. That's just plain terrorism and deeply disgusting.
Hamas does not represent most Palestinians. They’re terrorists by most definitions. However i think the formation of such a group was inevitable given the actions of the Israeli state and its military.
Agreed, hence why I specifically mentioned Hamas. I loathe them both for the harm to Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians, as the actions of Hamas have guaranteed an aggressive response against Palestine as a whole. Not just from Israel, but from the rest of the world.
I don’t know - they would like ‘have to exist’ in the first place, for that to matter.
Also, so far the only international backlash is immediate revocation of any money going to Palestine.
A lot of reporting has focused on the prisoner exchange idea. My feeling here is that this, if it is actually part of their motivations, will be a massive backfire. There was already a lot of unrest about the Gilad Shalit trade and I suspect this will be taken as a lesson that negotiating with terrorists is a bad plan. All that trade did was motivate Hamas to take hostages. There may be some direct negotiating between Hamas and the countries of the foreign hostages, but I am doubtful that Israel will repeat their error.
Yeah, I don't think that's going to be how this ends up working. I think most of those hostages are going to end up dead, and the same goes for most of the currently living Hamas fighters, along with many, many, many thousands of Palestinian civilians.
I think we will see the results very soon.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-fighting-monday-intl-hnk/index.html
And
It’s evident that this retaliation will be of a different, more brutal nature, with the sole objective of ensuring Hamas militants are killed with no regard for collateral damage.