Eh, they're not that different. They both like a big show and UFC has "scripted" matches just as much. They position themselves as an entertainment business and as such don't allow fights that...
Despite notable differences – WWE features scripted matches and soap opera-like storylines, while UFC showcases authentically brutal mixed martial arts fighting – the organizations share similarities in terms of content and culture. Several UFC fighters, including Ronda Rousey and Brock Lesnar, have already wrestled for WWE.
Eh, they're not that different. They both like a big show and UFC has "scripted" matches just as much. They position themselves as an entertainment business and as such don't allow fights that would make their headline grabbers look bad/lose. So there's very much match fixing involved in UFC, now they'll just have direct access to the kings of the genre.
WTF are you talking about? Have you ever ever actually watched the UFC? I follow it (and other MMA, BJJ & Kickboxing competitions) religiously, and have for decades. And the amount of times a UFC...
WTF are you talking about? Have you ever ever actually watched the UFC?
I follow it (and other MMA, BJJ & Kickboxing competitions) religiously, and have for decades. And the amount of times a UFC Champ has been put up against a person they're "extremely likely to beat" is minuscule compared to the amount of times they've been truly tested by top tier challengers who could end the fight in one punch/submission. The few times I can actually remember a championship fight where it felt like the challenger was truly outclassed and had no chance of winning were typically due to last minute substitutions, which the UFC has very little control of... unless you're suggesting fighters have been faking serious injuries, and intentionally destroying their careers by testing positive for PEDs or getting themselves arrested. Although the exception there is almost all of Anderson Silva, Mighty Mouse, and Jon Jones' title defenses. But that isn't because of any match fixing, it's just because they were truly that fucking good and nobody on the planet at their weight class could have beaten them in their prime.
And all you need to do is look at how frequently the belts have changed hands in UFC history, how many "cash cows" almost immediately lost their belts, and how many of their heavily promoted, highly touted "rising stars" and international transfers failed to actually win against way less popular champions, to know how ridiculous your comment is, and accusations are.
This is one of the major reasons I think this merger is a terrible move by the UFC, since now a bunch of people ignorant of the sport will start making comparisons to the WWE and baselessly accuse it of being similarly fixed/scripted.
p.s. Sorry for being so harsh, but your comment genuinely pissed me off.
Counterpoint your own post and all of the things you find when you dig further. Nearly every person mentioned in that video as top fighters (seriously, Rhonda Rousey) were softballed fight after...
Counterpoint your own post and all of the things you find when you dig further. Nearly every person mentioned in that video as top fighters (seriously, Rhonda Rousey) were softballed fight after fight up until they lost.
You're choosing to remember memorable fights only.
That video has nothing to do with match fixing, so how is that a counterpoint? Yes, Dana White didn't like DJ which is well documented, and the split decision in the second fight with Cejudo was...
That video has nothing to do with match fixing, so how is that a counterpoint? Yes, Dana White didn't like DJ which is well documented, and the split decision in the second fight with Cejudo was somewhat controversial. However it wasn't fixed. Not even DJ believes that! He and CCC have actually become friends since then, have been training together recently, and even watched both fights together on stream a few months ago. Fight 1 on DJ's channel, Fight 2 on CCC's. And at the end DJ even said that with all the takedowns CCC got, he knew he had lost. Does that sound like something someone who thinks the match was fixed would do or say?
You're choosing to remember memorable fights only.
No, I'm not. I remember plenty of duds. But a title fight not being particularly noteworthy, or terribly exciting doesn't mean it was fixed or intended to be a softball! Some matchups end up being one sided even though both fighters are top tier, and appear to be a good match on paper. That's just how MMA goes, especially since fighters often have to cut ridiculous weight before the fight, are fighting while sick or injured, and the first-time contenders are often having to deal with big stage nerves too. C'est la vie.
I would think that match fixing and manipulation is significantly different than fully scripted fictional events complete with lines, characters, arcs, etc. Chiefly, as fiction, there is nothing...
I would think that match fixing and manipulation is significantly different than fully scripted fictional events complete with lines, characters, arcs, etc.
Chiefly, as fiction, there is nothing inherently unethical with make-believe fighting. The same cannot be said about match fixing and manipulation.
In the real world match fixing and fully scripted events are significantly different. In a world where there is a "championship" like the UFC where there is no set logic/rules that determine who...
In the real world match fixing and fully scripted events are significantly different.
In a world where there is a "championship" like the UFC where there is no set logic/rules that determine who fights who and they are largely determined not by the competitor's skills, record, or desires but by the amount of money to be made to the company in promoting the fight there's little reason to make a golden goose stop laying eggs.
So say you only put up a fighter against people he's extremely likely to beat, is it match fixing by another name or just bad sports?
Eh, they're not that different. They both like a big show and UFC has "scripted" matches just as much. They position themselves as an entertainment business and as such don't allow fights that would make their headline grabbers look bad/lose. So there's very much match fixing involved in UFC, now they'll just have direct access to the kings of the genre.
WTF are you talking about? Have you ever ever actually watched the UFC?
I follow it (and other MMA, BJJ & Kickboxing competitions) religiously, and have for decades. And the amount of times a UFC Champ has been put up against a person they're "extremely likely to beat" is minuscule compared to the amount of times they've been truly tested by top tier challengers who could end the fight in one punch/submission. The few times I can actually remember a championship fight where it felt like the challenger was truly outclassed and had no chance of winning were typically due to last minute substitutions, which the UFC has very little control of... unless you're suggesting fighters have been faking serious injuries, and intentionally destroying their careers by testing positive for PEDs or getting themselves arrested. Although the exception there is almost all of Anderson Silva, Mighty Mouse, and Jon Jones' title defenses. But that isn't because of any match fixing, it's just because they were truly that fucking good and nobody on the planet at their weight class could have beaten them in their prime.
And all you need to do is look at how frequently the belts have changed hands in UFC history, how many "cash cows" almost immediately lost their belts, and how many of their heavily promoted, highly touted "rising stars" and international transfers failed to actually win against way less popular champions, to know how ridiculous your comment is, and accusations are.
This is one of the major reasons I think this merger is a terrible move by the UFC, since now a bunch of people ignorant of the sport will start making comparisons to the WWE and baselessly accuse it of being similarly fixed/scripted.
p.s. Sorry for being so harsh, but your comment genuinely pissed me off.
Counterpoint your own post and all of the things you find when you dig further. Nearly every person mentioned in that video as top fighters (seriously, Rhonda Rousey) were softballed fight after fight up until they lost.
You're choosing to remember memorable fights only.
That video has nothing to do with match fixing, so how is that a counterpoint? Yes, Dana White didn't like DJ which is well documented, and the split decision in the second fight with Cejudo was somewhat controversial. However it wasn't fixed. Not even DJ believes that! He and CCC have actually become friends since then, have been training together recently, and even watched both fights together on stream a few months ago. Fight 1 on DJ's channel, Fight 2 on CCC's. And at the end DJ even said that with all the takedowns CCC got, he knew he had lost. Does that sound like something someone who thinks the match was fixed would do or say?
No, I'm not. I remember plenty of duds. But a title fight not being particularly noteworthy, or terribly exciting doesn't mean it was fixed or intended to be a softball! Some matchups end up being one sided even though both fighters are top tier, and appear to be a good match on paper. That's just how MMA goes, especially since fighters often have to cut ridiculous weight before the fight, are fighting while sick or injured, and the first-time contenders are often having to deal with big stage nerves too. C'est la vie.
Care to enlighten me on what you mean by that?
I would think that match fixing and manipulation is significantly different than fully scripted fictional events complete with lines, characters, arcs, etc.
Chiefly, as fiction, there is nothing inherently unethical with make-believe fighting. The same cannot be said about match fixing and manipulation.
In the real world match fixing and fully scripted events are significantly different.
In a world where there is a "championship" like the UFC where there is no set logic/rules that determine who fights who and they are largely determined not by the competitor's skills, record, or desires but by the amount of money to be made to the company in promoting the fight there's little reason to make a golden goose stop laying eggs.
So say you only put up a fighter against people he's extremely likely to beat, is it match fixing by another name or just bad sports?