Spend all your money on ram. You don't need much cpu for editing (unless you want real time previews of effects and stuff) but boy does lots of ram help. You need cpu for exporting but you can...
Spend all your money on ram. You don't need much cpu for editing (unless you want real time previews of effects and stuff) but boy does lots of ram help. You need cpu for exporting but you can just leave it running and do something else for a bit.
Honestly I'd keep the Ryzen and just put more ram in it.
Yes. I'll try connecting the deactivated machine to the living room TV. It will be a hassle, but if it boots, I'll be able to tell you exactly what's in it. Wouldn't it be bad to edit 4K video...
Yes. I'll try connecting the deactivated machine to the living room TV. It will be a hassle, but if it boots, I'll be able to tell you exactly what's in it.
Wouldn't it be bad to edit 4K video stored on a regular hard drive? I thought an SSD would be
necessary. 256GB is not a lot for 4K video, I think.
But I imagine I'll need a GPU, no? This computer is fully running on Rizen.
Big SSD probably second most useful after ram. GPU will help with render times and previews but you don't need one. If you do, it doesn't need to be a huge gaming one. I used to edit 1080 video...
Big SSD probably second most useful after ram. GPU will help with render times and previews but you don't need one. If you do, it doesn't need to be a huge gaming one. I used to edit 1080 video with nothing more than onboard intel graphics (on an ancient i5) and it really wasn't that much of an issue.
If I were you I'd get 32GB of the fastest RAM you can into your existing hardware and get editing, see how it goes. You might find you want a GPU, but you might find you're more in need of a big SSD.
A big screen is nice, if you can find one. Doesn't need to be high res/HDR/etc, although obviously that is pleasant - but physically large is really good. My previous editing machine had a 14" screen and it sucked, I really struggled to fit all the controls on there at readable size.
Could you go into some detail about what aspects of video editing make use of the RAM? Maybe I'm doing things wrong, but this seems like a significant factor to me. i.e. don't we want to preview...
Could you go into some detail about what aspects of video editing make use of the RAM?
You don't need much cpu for editing (unless you want real time previews of effects
Maybe I'm doing things wrong, but this seems like a significant factor to me. i.e. don't we want to preview as closely to final product as our hardware can muster?
You have lots of bits of big data - video clips, especially at 4K - that you need to manipulate. Scrubbing back and forth through a clip/timeline is a particularly ram-heavy operation. You're...
Could you go into some detail about what aspects of video editing make use of the RAM?
You have lots of bits of big data - video clips, especially at 4K - that you need to manipulate. Scrubbing back and forth through a clip/timeline is a particularly ram-heavy operation. You're moving around inside a very large dataset, even when it's compressed. Swapping that data off the disk is slow, doing it all in ram is fast.
. i.e. don't we want to preview as closely to final product as our hardware can muster?
Yes, it's nice to have a high quality preview. But you don't need previews to be anything near final quality to see if you've got things right in many situations. You can preview small - I usually have a 1280x720 preview window, no matter what res my final output - and at lower frame and/or bitrates and it's fine. It doesn't matter that there's visual artifacts on the preview or dropped frames or whatever because you know they won't be there in the final render - what matters is you can see that everything is lined up or timed correctly or whatever it is you're doing.
Having lots of ram so manipulating the video is smooth is better, imo, than saving a little on render time. Blatting around video data is done far more often than applying effects - caveat there being that obviously other workflows exist, I don't tend to do a lot of processing, but I usually have a few layers of stuff going on.
Of course having lots of compute is nice, and does make things easier, but in a resource-limited situation like we're talking about here I'd choose RAM, then SSD, then CPU/GPU.
I mean it's going to be hard to beat not using your old parts for value. I would make use of all of those pieces - the CPU, the HDD, SSD, and RAM. Round that out with a budget case, a good PSU, a...
I mean it's going to be hard to beat not using your old parts for value. I would make use of all of those pieces - the CPU, the HDD, SSD, and RAM. Round that out with a budget case, a good PSU, a motherboard that works with the Ryzen CPU you have.
Then in terms of spending, you can consider
a video card - a GPU will massively decrease your render times as well as increase the quality you can run the preview window at. Look at Premier benchmarks and pick whatever option is in your budget. You're not gaming primarily, so there's not really a "floor" - any and all GPUs will help a lot. Rendering is in the class of "embarrassingly parallel" problems, so it benefits linearly from better GPUs.
an easy one is that if the 16 GB of ram is 2x8, get a motherboard with 4 ram slots, and stick another 2x8 in there.
I’m a professional video editor and I’m happy to answer any questions you have. Honestly, if you’re willing to use a Mac, the newer M1/M2 based Macs are absolutely insane for editing in terms of...
I’m a professional video editor and I’m happy to answer any questions you have.
Honestly, if you’re willing to use a Mac, the newer M1/M2 based Macs are absolutely insane for editing in terms of performance for the price. They have custom cores that are specifically designed for video heavy work.
Even a base model M1 Mac can handle 4K editing with ease.
Thanks, but a Mac in my country would cost enough to buy a decent used car (and I don't even have a car) :P What do you think would be a good and cheaper GPU for Premiere and After Effects?
Thanks, but a Mac in my country would cost enough to buy a decent used car (and I don't even have a car) :P
What do you think would be a good and cheaper GPU for Premiere and After Effects?
Premiere/AE on Windows is much more optimized for Nvidia than it is for AMD when it comes to performance. Even a 1000 series card will be good enough for moderate editing. I’ve got a 1070 with 8...
Premiere/AE on Windows is much more optimized for Nvidia than it is for AMD when it comes to performance.
Even a 1000 series card will be good enough for moderate editing. I’ve got a 1070 with 8 GB of RAM that I’ve been using forever and it can handle 4k editing no problem.
I assume the baseline model they're referring to is the M1 Mini, which is around 800€ in Europe (but the baseline model only includes 8 GB of ram -- it would be an extra 200€ to double the ram)....
I assume the baseline model they're referring to is the M1 Mini, which is around 800€ in Europe (but the baseline model only includes 8 GB of ram -- it would be an extra 200€ to double the ram). For what it's worth, I purchased mine used for ~500 USD, which I thought was an excellent value. Are these not available where you live?
I'm going to throw out a recommendation for BenQ monitors. They're typically a little cheaper than Acer, Asus, other quality monitor brands. But they have the stuff you want: high-quality,...
I'm going to throw out a recommendation for BenQ monitors. They're typically a little cheaper than Acer, Asus, other quality monitor brands. But they have the stuff you want: high-quality, factory-calibrated IPS screens.
I'm editing on a 25'' 1440p BenQ monitor, and I'm more than satisfied with it. (Granted I'm editing FHD not 4K, but I assume they make 4k monitors if that's what you really need/want.)
+1 for BenQ. I am a very happy owner of a BenQ PD3200U PD (32-inch 4k). Easily the best piece of computer hardware I have ever purchased. Crystal clear display, and very good colour rendering.
+1 for BenQ. I am a very happy owner of a BenQ PD3200U PD (32-inch 4k). Easily the best piece of computer hardware I have ever purchased. Crystal clear display, and very good colour rendering.
Spend all your money on ram. You don't need much cpu for editing (unless you want real time previews of effects and stuff) but boy does lots of ram help. You need cpu for exporting but you can just leave it running and do something else for a bit.
Honestly I'd keep the Ryzen and just put more ram in it.
Yes. I'll try connecting the deactivated machine to the living room TV. It will be a hassle, but if it boots, I'll be able to tell you exactly what's in it.
Wouldn't it be bad to edit 4K video stored on a regular hard drive? I thought an SSD would be
necessary. 256GB is not a lot for 4K video, I think.
But I imagine I'll need a GPU, no? This computer is fully running on Rizen.
Big SSD probably second most useful after ram. GPU will help with render times and previews but you don't need one. If you do, it doesn't need to be a huge gaming one. I used to edit 1080 video with nothing more than onboard intel graphics (on an ancient i5) and it really wasn't that much of an issue.
If I were you I'd get 32GB of the fastest RAM you can into your existing hardware and get editing, see how it goes. You might find you want a GPU, but you might find you're more in need of a big SSD.
A big screen is nice, if you can find one. Doesn't need to be high res/HDR/etc, although obviously that is pleasant - but physically large is really good. My previous editing machine had a 14" screen and it sucked, I really struggled to fit all the controls on there at readable size.
Could you go into some detail about what aspects of video editing make use of the RAM?
Maybe I'm doing things wrong, but this seems like a significant factor to me. i.e. don't we want to preview as closely to final product as our hardware can muster?
You have lots of bits of big data - video clips, especially at 4K - that you need to manipulate. Scrubbing back and forth through a clip/timeline is a particularly ram-heavy operation. You're moving around inside a very large dataset, even when it's compressed. Swapping that data off the disk is slow, doing it all in ram is fast.
Yes, it's nice to have a high quality preview. But you don't need previews to be anything near final quality to see if you've got things right in many situations. You can preview small - I usually have a 1280x720 preview window, no matter what res my final output - and at lower frame and/or bitrates and it's fine. It doesn't matter that there's visual artifacts on the preview or dropped frames or whatever because you know they won't be there in the final render - what matters is you can see that everything is lined up or timed correctly or whatever it is you're doing.
Having lots of ram so manipulating the video is smooth is better, imo, than saving a little on render time. Blatting around video data is done far more often than applying effects - caveat there being that obviously other workflows exist, I don't tend to do a lot of processing, but I usually have a few layers of stuff going on.
Of course having lots of compute is nice, and does make things easier, but in a resource-limited situation like we're talking about here I'd choose RAM, then SSD, then CPU/GPU.
I mean it's going to be hard to beat not using your old parts for value. I would make use of all of those pieces - the CPU, the HDD, SSD, and RAM. Round that out with a budget case, a good PSU, a motherboard that works with the Ryzen CPU you have.
Then in terms of spending, you can consider
a video card - a GPU will massively decrease your render times as well as increase the quality you can run the preview window at. Look at Premier benchmarks and pick whatever option is in your budget. You're not gaming primarily, so there's not really a "floor" - any and all GPUs will help a lot. Rendering is in the class of "embarrassingly parallel" problems, so it benefits linearly from better GPUs.
an easy one is that if the 16 GB of ram is 2x8, get a motherboard with 4 ram slots, and stick another 2x8 in there.
Thanks! I'll see if I can boot the old machine so I know exactly what's in it.
I’m a professional video editor and I’m happy to answer any questions you have.
Honestly, if you’re willing to use a Mac, the newer M1/M2 based Macs are absolutely insane for editing in terms of performance for the price. They have custom cores that are specifically designed for video heavy work.
Even a base model M1 Mac can handle 4K editing with ease.
Thanks, but a Mac in my country would cost enough to buy a decent used car (and I don't even have a car) :P
What do you think would be a good and cheaper GPU for Premiere and After Effects?
Premiere/AE on Windows is much more optimized for Nvidia than it is for AMD when it comes to performance.
Even a 1000 series card will be good enough for moderate editing. I’ve got a 1070 with 8 GB of RAM that I’ve been using forever and it can handle 4k editing no problem.
I assume the baseline model they're referring to is the M1 Mini, which is around 800€ in Europe (but the baseline model only includes 8 GB of ram -- it would be an extra 200€ to double the ram). For what it's worth, I purchased mine used for ~500 USD, which I thought was an excellent value. Are these not available where you live?
Apple products are available but they charge a steep premium. Even a Mini M1 is way over my budget.
I'm going to throw out a recommendation for BenQ monitors. They're typically a little cheaper than Acer, Asus, other quality monitor brands. But they have the stuff you want: high-quality, factory-calibrated IPS screens.
I'm editing on a 25'' 1440p BenQ monitor, and I'm more than satisfied with it. (Granted I'm editing FHD not 4K, but I assume they make 4k monitors if that's what you really need/want.)
+1 for BenQ. I am a very happy owner of a BenQ PD3200U PD (32-inch 4k). Easily the best piece of computer hardware I have ever purchased. Crystal clear display, and very good colour rendering.