That would be Interpol and Police Forces when they are given remit, mission and funding to do their jobs right? Not just blanket surveillance to 'find' anyone with particular digital...
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Johansson, however, has not blinked. “The privacy advocates sound very loud,” the commissioner said in a speech in November 2021. “But someone must also speak for the children.”
That would be Interpol and Police Forces when they are given remit, mission and funding to do their jobs right?
Not just blanket surveillance to 'find' anyone with particular digital fingerprinting techniques. The dismissive hubris of these elected officials continues to irritate on me. I messaged my MP in the UK about the Online Safety Bill and got back a blathering "I don't know what I'm talking about" message that left me stumped. These people have no idea how to challenge the massive black market, so they're just going to make you all criminals for anything they decide to find.
It's fucking dystopian that these people just play the same old tricks. It won't actually find anything, because all the smart arse traffickers don't sit there on Facebook going "Hey, got two blonde five years olds for sale... anyone want a piece?" - They use all sorts of selective, secure and cryptographically questionable ways of communicating and sharing content.
It's such a dangerous a slippery slope. I genuinely think these types of legislation should come with a massive caveat that makes all elected officials completely transparent. Signal, Whatsapp, Emails, Facebook, Twitter... EVERYTHING must be publically disclosed weekly. It'd rapidly shut them down and the hubris that sits on their shoulders to use children in their search for moral superiority.
ALL THIS BEING SAID?
The UK Government admitted the the Online Safety Bill can't be enforced as the tech doesn't exist. So what hope as the EU got on the same thing?
We're already laughing at AI doing weird and wonderful things. I can't wait until it detects things incorrected and people start getting hauled in front of judges who get to be made fun of by all sorts of lawyers.
Just fund the damn police to do their jobs and do them well. Give them good salaries, good rewards for breaking these damn groups and most of all? Get them counselling with the crap they have to go through.
The "think of the children" is a common tactic and it is infuriating how effective it actually is. Years ago the ISPs in Denmark were "asked" to implement a DNS filter, blocking certain websites...
The "think of the children" is a common tactic and it is infuriating how effective it actually is. Years ago the ISPs in Denmark were "asked" to implement a DNS filter, blocking certain websites on their network. First it was aimed at CP stuff - which was difficult to criticize unless you wanted to be accused of pedophilia, but have since expanded to piracy, gambling, unlicensed medicine and so forth. While not exactly the best sites on the internet, but the practice is questionable because the blocking is done with just an administrative task force, no judges or any way for the website owners to complain or even be notified (as far as I know). And of course it doesn't work at all, since you can just use another DNS server than the one provided by your ISP. These things simply doesn't work against the targeted criminals they claim it is aimed at.
Yep. I've been watching the British and US governments do it relentlessly for the past two decades. This authoritarian dog-whistle crap makes me want to puke. Because ANYTHING said against it is...
Yep. I've been watching the British and US governments do it relentlessly for the past two decades. This authoritarian dog-whistle crap makes me want to puke. Because ANYTHING said against it is used by the right-wing media to paint you as a child fiddler. It's repulsive.
The UK is exactly the same. Piracy and Torrenting sites coped it as well. It'll soon start heading into actual areas people won't want you to see. Especially with such rampant conglomeration of the internet over the past 15 years, it'll be easy to get around. I'm looking at meshnets and darknets as places you can actually go just to enjoy the internet without being surveilled constantly.
These things simply doesn't work against the targeted criminals they claim it is aimed at.
Britain speedrunning the descent into "V For Vendetta". I am similarly repulsed by the constant bad faith usage of "think of the children". You're right, it's just a dog whistle for wannabe...
Britain speedrunning the descent into "V For Vendetta". I am similarly repulsed by the constant bad faith usage of "think of the children". You're right, it's just a dog whistle for wannabe authoritarians.
I've been watching the UK government try. I haven't particularly seen them succeed. Over a decade ago the biggest of the big piracy sites got blocked by the biggest ISPs, which was stupid and...
I've been watching the British and US governments do it relentlessly for the past two decades
I've been watching the UK government try. I haven't particularly seen them succeed.
Over a decade ago the biggest of the big piracy sites got blocked by the biggest ISPs, which was stupid and pointless. Even a child can walk around the "block" without breaking a sweat. So that was hardly a success. There have been no signs of that particular slope being slippery since then.
There has been much bluster from the government about breaking various forms of crypto for as long as it's existed but it hasn't happened because it's effectively technically and politically impossible. The current administration insist that the OSB, stupid as is it, won't require backdoors in messaging services. Every time they try to do this, Apple/Google/Meta etc say "sure, whatever, we'll just walk away from the UK" and the government always back down. Because they cannot turn around to ~40 million voters and say "sorry but iMessage/FB/insta/Whatsapp is going away and it's our fault"
The worst they've done is probably Section 63 which is dumb as fuck as a law, passed for all the wrong, non-evidence-based, reasons - but still very little of the "this could lead to X perfectly legit thing becoming illegal" concerns voiced at the time, and during the revision in 2015, didn't come to pass.
The main issue is that these watered down, unenforceable and dangerous bits of legislation end up remaining in law almost indefinitely until some smartarse challenges the status quo with tech...
I've been watching the UK government try. I haven't particularly seen them succeed.
The main issue is that these watered down, unenforceable and dangerous bits of legislation end up remaining in law almost indefinitely until some smartarse challenges the status quo with tech advancements. Well, that's my major worry.
Over a decade ago the biggest of the big piracy sites got blocked by the biggest ISPs, which was stupid and pointless. Even a child can walk around the "block" without breaking a sweat. So that was hardly a success. There have been no signs of that particular slope being slippery since then.
Man I disagree. You or I could do it, but I just couldn't trust a member of the public to tie their own shoelaces when it comes to anything technology. If it doesn't have a happy little button on a phone that treats them like a five year old? They can't figure it out. I tried to explain VPNs to my parents ten years ago, they just didn't get it... despite using one for work regularly (!?) and the average Joe voter isn't any better.
That's a jaded view, but these things do work for the vast majority of the population. Just look how quickly people accepted streaming into their households despite never owning any of the actual medium and just being okay with it (I say this as a Spotify user and rampant downloader of music from Youtube.)
My issue is that usually these laws then make you 'feel' like a criminal regardless if they're unenforceable or not. They keep people subdued and not talking about certain things they may not want to have overheard... social cooling is a real concept and it's scary as fuck.
I know several people for whom using keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste is the height of 1337 h4x0r skills and they still managed to download torrents with hardly any guidance, when sufficiently...
You or I could do it, but I just couldn't trust a member of the public to tie their own shoelaces when it comes to anything technology.
I know several people for whom using keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste is the height of 1337 h4x0r skills and they still managed to download torrents with hardly any guidance, when sufficiently motivated. The guidance was mostly "hey sorry you're missing your show, torrents are a thing that exist, just search for 'how to download Game of Thrones torrent' and follow the instructions"
Just look how quickly people accepted streaming into their households despite never owning any of the actual medium and just being okay with it
I'm not sure that's really relevant to attempted government control over the internet and it's technologies. I couldn't care less about "owning" my media, I like being able to consume it, and as much of it as possible, as easily as I can. Streaming took off because it is a very good solution to the problem of how to consume the kind of media you want to consume, when you want to consume it.
The right wing loves to demonize anything LGBT as "grooming." This type of thing will be used to remove LGBT content from the internet.
Yep. I've been watching the British and US governments do it relentlessly for the past two decades. This authoritarian dog-whistle crap makes me want to puke. Because ANYTHING said against it is used by the right-wing media to paint you as a child fiddler. It's repulsive.
The right wing loves to demonize anything LGBT as "grooming." This type of thing will be used to remove LGBT content from the internet.
An investigation uncovers a web of influence in the powerful coalition aligned behind the European Commission’s proposal to scan for child sexual abuse material online, a proposal leading experts say puts rights at risk and will introduce new vulnerabilities by undermining encryption.
That would be Interpol and Police Forces when they are given remit, mission and funding to do their jobs right?
Not just blanket surveillance to 'find' anyone with particular digital fingerprinting techniques. The dismissive hubris of these elected officials continues to irritate on me. I messaged my MP in the UK about the Online Safety Bill and got back a blathering "I don't know what I'm talking about" message that left me stumped. These people have no idea how to challenge the massive black market, so they're just going to make you all criminals for anything they decide to find.
It's fucking dystopian that these people just play the same old tricks. It won't actually find anything, because all the smart arse traffickers don't sit there on Facebook going "Hey, got two blonde five years olds for sale... anyone want a piece?" - They use all sorts of selective, secure and cryptographically questionable ways of communicating and sharing content.
It's such a dangerous a slippery slope. I genuinely think these types of legislation should come with a massive caveat that makes all elected officials completely transparent. Signal, Whatsapp, Emails, Facebook, Twitter... EVERYTHING must be publically disclosed weekly. It'd rapidly shut them down and the hubris that sits on their shoulders to use children in their search for moral superiority.
ALL THIS BEING SAID?
The UK Government admitted the the Online Safety Bill can't be enforced as the tech doesn't exist. So what hope as the EU got on the same thing?
We're already laughing at AI doing weird and wonderful things. I can't wait until it detects things incorrected and people start getting hauled in front of judges who get to be made fun of by all sorts of lawyers.
Just fund the damn police to do their jobs and do them well. Give them good salaries, good rewards for breaking these damn groups and most of all? Get them counselling with the crap they have to go through.
The "think of the children" is a common tactic and it is infuriating how effective it actually is. Years ago the ISPs in Denmark were "asked" to implement a DNS filter, blocking certain websites on their network. First it was aimed at CP stuff - which was difficult to criticize unless you wanted to be accused of pedophilia, but have since expanded to piracy, gambling, unlicensed medicine and so forth. While not exactly the best sites on the internet, but the practice is questionable because the blocking is done with just an administrative task force, no judges or any way for the website owners to complain or even be notified (as far as I know). And of course it doesn't work at all, since you can just use another DNS server than the one provided by your ISP. These things simply doesn't work against the targeted criminals they claim it is aimed at.
Yep. I've been watching the British and US governments do it relentlessly for the past two decades. This authoritarian dog-whistle crap makes me want to puke. Because ANYTHING said against it is used by the right-wing media to paint you as a child fiddler. It's repulsive.
The UK is exactly the same. Piracy and Torrenting sites coped it as well. It'll soon start heading into actual areas people won't want you to see. Especially with such rampant conglomeration of the internet over the past 15 years, it'll be easy to get around. I'm looking at meshnets and darknets as places you can actually go just to enjoy the internet without being surveilled constantly.
Looks good in the ballot box though.
Britain speedrunning the descent into "V For Vendetta". I am similarly repulsed by the constant bad faith usage of "think of the children". You're right, it's just a dog whistle for wannabe authoritarians.
I've been watching the UK government try. I haven't particularly seen them succeed.
Over a decade ago the biggest of the big piracy sites got blocked by the biggest ISPs, which was stupid and pointless. Even a child can walk around the "block" without breaking a sweat. So that was hardly a success. There have been no signs of that particular slope being slippery since then.
There has been much bluster from the government about breaking various forms of crypto for as long as it's existed but it hasn't happened because it's effectively technically and politically impossible. The current administration insist that the OSB, stupid as is it, won't require backdoors in messaging services. Every time they try to do this, Apple/Google/Meta etc say "sure, whatever, we'll just walk away from the UK" and the government always back down. Because they cannot turn around to ~40 million voters and say "sorry but iMessage/FB/insta/Whatsapp is going away and it's our fault"
The worst they've done is probably Section 63 which is dumb as fuck as a law, passed for all the wrong, non-evidence-based, reasons - but still very little of the "this could lead to X perfectly legit thing becoming illegal" concerns voiced at the time, and during the revision in 2015, didn't come to pass.
The main issue is that these watered down, unenforceable and dangerous bits of legislation end up remaining in law almost indefinitely until some smartarse challenges the status quo with tech advancements. Well, that's my major worry.
Man I disagree. You or I could do it, but I just couldn't trust a member of the public to tie their own shoelaces when it comes to anything technology. If it doesn't have a happy little button on a phone that treats them like a five year old? They can't figure it out. I tried to explain VPNs to my parents ten years ago, they just didn't get it... despite using one for work regularly (!?) and the average Joe voter isn't any better.
That's a jaded view, but these things do work for the vast majority of the population. Just look how quickly people accepted streaming into their households despite never owning any of the actual medium and just being okay with it (I say this as a Spotify user and rampant downloader of music from Youtube.)
My issue is that usually these laws then make you 'feel' like a criminal regardless if they're unenforceable or not. They keep people subdued and not talking about certain things they may not want to have overheard... social cooling is a real concept and it's scary as fuck.
I know several people for whom using keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste is the height of 1337 h4x0r skills and they still managed to download torrents with hardly any guidance, when sufficiently motivated. The guidance was mostly "hey sorry you're missing your show, torrents are a thing that exist, just search for 'how to download Game of Thrones torrent' and follow the instructions"
I'm not sure that's really relevant to attempted government control over the internet and it's technologies. I couldn't care less about "owning" my media, I like being able to consume it, and as much of it as possible, as easily as I can. Streaming took off because it is a very good solution to the problem of how to consume the kind of media you want to consume, when you want to consume it.
The right wing loves to demonize anything LGBT as "grooming." This type of thing will be used to remove LGBT content from the internet.
Yup!
Anyone saying they're going to keep you safe is full of it.