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The global internet is disintegrating. What comes next?

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  1. [5]
    vakieh Link
    The global internet was never a thing. The original internet was US owned and run. The current internet is run as a hodgepodge where you are simultaneously subject to the laws of any country...

    The global internet was never a thing. The original internet was US owned and run. The current internet is run as a hodgepodge where you are simultaneously subject to the laws of any country powerful enough to enforce their will on you. There are STILL countries with a very limited connection that may as well be on their own.

    Internet cooperation without geopolitical cooperation is simultaneously a ridiculously stupid idea and an impossibility. Which if the West lets it will be an opportunity to show the power of open borders and communication. Tit for tat, wall off the people that want to be walled off. Russia wants its own net? Fine, but it's not going to get access to anyone else. Watch as isolationists stagnate and die off as isolationists in a global world inevitably do.

    11 votes
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      seizethegoddamngap Link Parent
      This is a weird comment. What are you talking about? Here's an undersea fiber map that shows all the major fiber bundles connecting the world. Here's the PeeringDB, which lists all BGP AS numbers...

      This is a weird comment.

      The global internet was never a thing.

      What are you talking about? Here's an undersea fiber map that shows all the major fiber bundles connecting the world.

      Here's the PeeringDB, which lists all BGP AS numbers and their peers.

      2 votes
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        vakieh Link Parent
        It relies on your meaning of 'global internet'. The simplistic view of 'an internet that spans the globe' while technically correct and remaining so, is also not overly useful. An internet that...

        It relies on your meaning of 'global internet'. The simplistic view of 'an internet that spans the globe' while technically correct and remaining so, is also not overly useful. An internet that allows for the free communication across national boundaries has never existed - once you stop and look at the word 'free'.

        14 votes
        1. seizethegoddamngap Link Parent
          I'll definitely concede that. Sorry for coming off so hostile, this is my career field (Network Engineer) so I was very much confused at first.

          I'll definitely concede that.

          Sorry for coming off so hostile, this is my career field (Network Engineer) so I was very much confused at first.

          8 votes
    2. papasquat Link Parent
      Yeah, this is really a non issue in the same way that isolationist trade policies are a non issue for people not in that country. It will greatly affect people that are in a country that desires...

      Yeah, this is really a non issue in the same way that isolationist trade policies are a non issue for people not in that country. It will greatly affect people that are in a country that desires total control of their networks, it won't affect people in countries that aren't very much.

      I won't be able to browse russian websites, but I, and most non russians don't browse russian websites anyway. I think eventually russians will realize that hey, Google and Facebook and Twitter are things that we actually used and we miss having them. Their government will have to contend with that.

      2 votes