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Telegrass and the next generation of digital black markets - Telegram-based services are facilitating much of the drug sales in Ukraine, Israel, and other countries

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      Deimos
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      One of the things the article talks about that I thought was interesting is that the decentralization and anonymity of doing it through Telegram makes it so that the encryption part actually isn't...

      One of the things the article talks about that I thought was interesting is that the decentralization and anonymity of doing it through Telegram makes it so that the encryption part actually isn't very important. Even when police get access to channels or conversations, there's not much significant they can do with it:

      Additionally, while most countries mandate some form of identity verification to purchase a SIM card and register a phone number, Ukraine — along with Israel and the United States — does not, making it impossible for law enforcement to trace Telegram accounts registered under a phone number.

      The operations are decentralized, so employees often have no idea who they’re working with, or for. That means that even if low-level dealers get busted, suppliers and distributors remain hidden from law enforcement. “Even with a sting operation, faking a channel, you can only get the buyer; it doesn’t help with the supply chain,” Plaster explained. “You can’t crack that closed loop.”

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      1. skybrian
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        Yes, it seems like a reminder that security is a process, not a technology. But it still seems like it’s still somewhat important? Without end-to-end encryption, wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier...

        Yes, it seems like a reminder that security is a process, not a technology. But it still seems like it’s still somewhat important? Without end-to-end encryption, wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier to trace things back using wiretap warrants for each hop? They would still need to identify who is associated with each account, though.

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      2. unknown user
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        Still using Telegram isn't an0nym0us per se, I'm pretty sure y0u can s0cial engineer s0me0ne t0 reveal their IP with0ut t00 much hassle, and I d0n't think Telegram is s0mething very targeted f0r...

        Still using Telegram isn't an0nym0us per se, I'm pretty sure y0u can s0cial engineer s0me0ne t0 reveal their IP with0ut t00 much hassle, and I d0n't think Telegram is s0mething very targeted f0r that, I kn0w a l0t 0f pe0ple wh0 sell drugs 0ver Faceb00k, Instagram, WSP, etc, and n0t small amm0unts and haven't been caught, it is really n0rmal n0wadays. The blame is 0n the system f0r n0t legalising drugs IM0.