Its a decent, well written article, but I'll bite. The reason I personally feel cheated is because Signal kept this hidden, even going as far as keeping the source undisclosed. That does not bring...
Its a decent, well written article, but I'll bite.
The reason I personally feel cheated is because Signal kept this hidden, even going as far as keeping the source undisclosed. That does not bring confidence in open process. If their mission was to bring same privacy and security to payments, why keep it hidden? That alone is a reason enough to be suspicious.
Second, yes, this brings even more scrutiny on Signal, giving governments a perfect reason to act against it.
Third, many people, including myself want Signal to remain a messaging service. They have enough issues in UX and this pulls resources away from improving that.
This whole thing has just proven all the people warning against singular control of Marlinespike and Signal foundation over the code and the network. Going forward, I will be asking and advocating for protocols, not apps. Fortunately, Matrix and Element/Fluffychat are improving very fast and are already at a place where I can recommend them to my technically inclined friends. Hopefully in near future I can recommend it to every layperson.
At the end of the day, the article’s point seems to be: if you trust Signal and Moxie then this is a good thing (implication: if you don’t it’s bad). The role that personal and organizational...
At the end of the day, the article’s point seems to be: if you trust Signal and Moxie then this is a good thing (implication: if you don’t it’s bad).
The role that personal and organizational trust plays in today’s society is pretty interesting. We live in this kind of “post-truth” society where, unless you have 100% visibility on an issue (which one might argue is impossible), you can get persuasive arguments on both sides and ultimately have to make a choice based on personal or organizational trust.
For me, as someone involved in tech who isnt super deep on crypto, I recognize the inherent risk of relying on donations and trust Signal and Moxie enough to continue using the app. I don’t typically use cryptocurrency but maybe I will because of this.
Not saying you’re wrong - in an ideal world advocating for protocols makes a lot of sense. But we don’t really live in an ideal world and Moxie’s philosophy on the benefits of centralization seem to have served Signal well thus far.
Its funny that I was thinking just about this. On one hand, Signal foundation asks users to trust no one, and advocate and implement with great pains features like ens to end encryption, contact...
if you trust Signal and Moxie then this is a good thing (implication: if you don’t it’s bad)
Its funny that I was thinking just about this.
On one hand, Signal foundation asks users to trust no one, and advocate and implement with great pains features like ens to end encryption, contact lookup, hidden sender, reproducible build and I'm sure some more I'm missing.
Then, on the other hand, they advocate, push for and demonstrate via their actions that they want users to lay utmost trust in them by not allowing federation in servers or clients, implementing everything in Intel SGX and relying heavily on Play Store and Play Services.
If nothing else, its intriguing rather than faith-inspiring. In the world as we live in today, trust comes de-facto, while Signal seems to be acting as if we should trust them de-jure. Not something I'm personally comfortable with, but to ea h their own.
Its a decent, well written article, but I'll bite.
The reason I personally feel cheated is because Signal kept this hidden, even going as far as keeping the source undisclosed. That does not bring confidence in open process. If their mission was to bring same privacy and security to payments, why keep it hidden? That alone is a reason enough to be suspicious.
Second, yes, this brings even more scrutiny on Signal, giving governments a perfect reason to act against it.
Third, many people, including myself want Signal to remain a messaging service. They have enough issues in UX and this pulls resources away from improving that.
This whole thing has just proven all the people warning against singular control of Marlinespike and Signal foundation over the code and the network. Going forward, I will be asking and advocating for protocols, not apps. Fortunately, Matrix and Element/Fluffychat are improving very fast and are already at a place where I can recommend them to my technically inclined friends. Hopefully in near future I can recommend it to every layperson.
At the end of the day, the article’s point seems to be: if you trust Signal and Moxie then this is a good thing (implication: if you don’t it’s bad).
The role that personal and organizational trust plays in today’s society is pretty interesting. We live in this kind of “post-truth” society where, unless you have 100% visibility on an issue (which one might argue is impossible), you can get persuasive arguments on both sides and ultimately have to make a choice based on personal or organizational trust.
For me, as someone involved in tech who isnt super deep on crypto, I recognize the inherent risk of relying on donations and trust Signal and Moxie enough to continue using the app. I don’t typically use cryptocurrency but maybe I will because of this.
Not saying you’re wrong - in an ideal world advocating for protocols makes a lot of sense. But we don’t really live in an ideal world and Moxie’s philosophy on the benefits of centralization seem to have served Signal well thus far.
Its funny that I was thinking just about this.
On one hand, Signal foundation asks users to trust no one, and advocate and implement with great pains features like ens to end encryption, contact lookup, hidden sender, reproducible build and I'm sure some more I'm missing.
Then, on the other hand, they advocate, push for and demonstrate via their actions that they want users to lay utmost trust in them by not allowing federation in servers or clients, implementing everything in Intel SGX and relying heavily on Play Store and Play Services.
If nothing else, its intriguing rather than faith-inspiring. In the world as we live in today, trust comes de-facto, while Signal seems to be acting as if we should trust them de-jure. Not something I'm personally comfortable with, but to ea h their own.