I just found these guidelines following some links on tildes (lost the tab where it was from annoyingly). It's a good read that could generate some discussion about future moderation here (reddit...
I just found these guidelines following some links on tildes (lost the tab where it was from annoyingly). It's a good read that could generate some discussion about future moderation here (reddit mods have probably read it already) once the trust system is in place.
What do you think of his points?
(6) The most difficult problem an ideological diverse community faces is not antisocial >disagreement, but antisocial agreement. It is difficult to convince people that any such >thing exists, but community punishment of people who operate outside the editorial >consensus can stifle dissent and cause the community to go wildly awry.
I'm having trouble understanding the above, can somebody help me out?
I think he's talking about people tend to refer to as "echo chambers", where there's something that pretty much everyone agrees about and you can't have a reasonable discussion disagreeing with it...
I think he's talking about people tend to refer to as "echo chambers", where there's something that pretty much everyone agrees about and you can't have a reasonable discussion disagreeing with it because the community will shout you down immediately.
The third pattern Bion identified: Religious veneration. The nomination and worship of a religious icon or a set of religious tenets. The religious pattern is, essentially, we have nominated something that's beyond critique. You can see this pattern on the Internet any day you like. Go onto a Tolkein newsgroup or discussion forum, and try saying "You know, The Two Towers is a little dull. I mean loooong. We didn't need that much description about the forest, because it's pretty much the same forest all the way."
Try having that discussion. On the door of the group it will say: "This is for discussing the works of Tolkein." Go in and try and have that discussion.
Now, in some places people say "Yes, but it needed to, because it had to convey the sense of lassitude," or whatever. But in most places you'll simply be flamed to high heaven, because you're interfering with the religious text.
In that case, the "antisocial agreement" of that community would be that Tolkein's books are well-written, and the ability to have discussions that dissent from that is stifled. Whether those are valuable discussions for the community is a different topic, but it's something that happens.
I just found these guidelines following some links on tildes (lost the tab where it was from annoyingly). It's a good read that could generate some discussion about future moderation here (reddit mods have probably read it already) once the trust system is in place.
What do you think of his points?
I'm having trouble understanding the above, can somebody help me out?
I think he's talking about people tend to refer to as "echo chambers", where there's something that pretty much everyone agrees about and you can't have a reasonable discussion disagreeing with it because the community will shout you down immediately.
A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy has a similar section, referring to it as "religious veneration":
In that case, the "antisocial agreement" of that community would be that Tolkein's books are well-written, and the ability to have discussions that dissent from that is stifled. Whether those are valuable discussions for the community is a different topic, but it's something that happens.
Ah so in effect acting as a coordinated group rather than separately?