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    1. Weird bug with the pagination of notifications

      Okay, this is a bit confusing to explain, but when I go to the notifications page: https://tildes.net/notifications The last notification I received, at time of writing, was 5 hours, 50 minutes...

      Okay, this is a bit confusing to explain, but when I go to the notifications page:

      https://tildes.net/notifications

      The last notification I received, at time of writing, was 5 hours, 50 minutes ago.

      That's the notification at the top of the list on that page. It's the last notification I have received, as of writing this post. We will call that notification P1A (Page one: P1, A: first item).

      That's correct, and how it should be.

      At the bottom of that page is a reply that I received on June 19. That is also correct. These items are in the correct order. This last item will be P1B.

      So then I navigate to the second page of my notifications.

      On the second page, the top item in the list is another notification from June 19. That makes sense. The last item in the list is from May 19. That also makes sense. These are P2A and P2B.

      On to the third page.

      On the third page of my notifications, the top item is from May 19 as well. That makes sense. The last item is from May 9. Once again, that makes sense. These are P3A and P3B.

      But now... let's go back a page.

      Going back to the second page in my notifications, the comment at the top of the page is from June 19, as it was before.

      Except, that specific comment from June 19 is the last comment from the first page. P1B, and it's now at the top of the page, not the bottom (like it was on page one).

      And indeed, after going back to the second page of notifications from the third page, the last item of the second page is my most recently received notification, which is the first item from the first page. P1A.

      That... does not seem correct.

      Here is a nice table that hopefully helps to illustrate what I'm describing:

      Page First Item Last Item
      P1 P1A P1B
      P2 P2A P2B
      P3 P3A P3B
      P2 P1B P1A
      10 votes
    2. Tilweaks: A user style I made to "clean up" Tildes' interface

      This was originally made just for personal use, but I decided to clean it up and share it. Should support all built-in themes (Themes other than Dracula were afterthoughts and might not be as...

      This was originally made just for personal use, but I decided to clean it up and share it.

      • Should support all built-in themes (Themes other than Dracula were afterthoughts and might not be as polished. Especially light themes)
      • All changes are toggle-able

      Changes

      • Lower the font size to 18px (configurable)
      • Make the Tildes logo follow your theme (logos from https://gitlab.com/Bauke/tildes-logos)
        • Thin font-weight for the "Tildes" text
      • Remove sidebar background
        • Change donation progress box to better match the "new" sidebar
        • Make the sidebar primary button clear (border only)
      • Add a border to the "main" element
      • Add extra spacing to various elements
        • Remove the alternating background from thread colors
      • Remove comment borders
        • Add depth indicators (dotted left border for children only)
        • Add comment backgrounds (to separate comments without borders)

      Comparison screenshots

      Installation

      Configuration under Stylus

      1. Open the extension popup in when in tildes.net
      2. Click the cog next to Tilweaks
      3. Edit to your liking

      ps: I would assume this would be the right group for this. If not, please let me know :)
      pps: Feel free to suggest extra changes or report any bugs/weirdness

      20 votes
    3. Added a page showing details of Tildes's financials, as well as a monthly donation goal

      On the home page of Tildes, there's now a monthly donation goal meter shown at the top of the sidebar. The "(more details)" link in the box goes to a new Financials page, which shows the current...

      On the home page of Tildes, there's now a monthly donation goal meter shown at the top of the sidebar. The "(more details)" link in the box goes to a new Financials page, which shows the current expenses and income for Tildes for this month.

      This is information that I've always been meaning to make public, and the original announcement blog post even mentioned it as an intention. So far it only includes the current month, but I'm intending to add information about past income and expenses eventually as well.

      The Financials page should mostly explain itself, but I want to talk a little more about the goal specifically and why it seems to be set unrealistically high. To be clear, it probably is unrealistically high at this point, but I think it's important to be honest about where the next "stage" in Tildes's sustainability is, and how far away from it we currently are. I could have set the goal to a lower number to make it more achievable, but that would really just be arbitrary and wouldn't represent any meaningful threshold.

      The first important milestone was making sure that all the actual expenses were paid every month, so that keeping the site up wasn't actively costing me money. We're long past that point and almost always have been, which is great on its own—so many businesses and sites never reach that "break even" point and are forced to shut down, but there's absolutely no danger of that happening with Tildes. For how small and young the site is, it's amazing that we've already reached that goal.

      The next milestone, which the current goal represents, is making it so that I'm not effectively donating my time to continue maintaining and developing the site, which means being able to pay myself enough that I can think of Tildes as a "real job". As you can see, we're still pretty far from that point right now, but I think it's a good reminder (especially to myself) to have the meter showing it. As I said in another comment recently, there are other things I should probably focus my efforts on more that would help, and this will be a prominent reminder of that.

      I also want to mention that the overall situation isn't quite as bleak as the goal makes it look. There have been multiple incredibly generous one-time donations made over the last year and a half that you won't see in the current month's numbers, and that's absolutely made a huge difference. I'll try to get the historical information added before too long so that the picture is more complete.

      Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions, and thanks again for all of your contributions, whether they're actual donations or just being active and contributing to the site in that way. It's all important, and I greatly appreciate all of it.

      And as usual, I've given everyone 10 invites, accessible on the invite page.

      95 votes
    4. Is there a way to disable autocollapse of single line comment?

      I get the value prop of the default setting being to collapse the message, since it saves space and the whole message can be displayed, but my brain is at this point wired to ignore collapsed...

      I get the value prop of the default setting being to collapse the message, since it saves space and the whole message can be displayed, but my brain is at this point wired to ignore collapsed comments, so I find myself missing this one liners on tildes. I didn't see an option to have single single comments be expanded by default, does such a a feature exist?

      5 votes
    5. Can't invite someone new

      I am trying to invite a friend to Tildes, and on my invite page I see the message "You aren't able to generate more invite links right now." Is this a default setting for new users?

      9 votes
    6. The case against ~news

      The longer I use Tildes, the more I question the effectiveness of ~news. /r/news made sense on reddit, where they didn't have a robust cross-group tagging and filtering system. I think Tildes be...

      The longer I use Tildes, the more I question the effectiveness of ~news.

      /r/news made sense on reddit, where they didn't have a robust cross-group tagging and filtering system. I think Tildes be better served by eliminating ~news entirely and replacing it with a news tag with a date property, which would allow for nice chronological filtering for catching up on news stories, especially if the article date could be scraped somehow. Miss a week of news? Search the tag with a date range, get all news stories for last week, perhaps with a minimum comment threshold to see what sparked discussion.

      I think ~gov (or politics) would be needed as a replacement, as it's a major driver of most news stories, but there's so much more to politics than just news, and those discussions don't exactly fit anywhere nicely at the moment, esp if it's a random blog post relating to recent events in the news. Almost every other group serves as a nice catch-all for most other common news categories.

      The only issue I would see would be when ~gov would overlap with the other categories, which would likely happen a lot..but that happens with the current ~news too. I think that could be further mitigated by having a sort of x-post system blurring the lines of tags and groups even more, where ~gov would take precedence but posts would then also appear in the tagged groups for users not following governance otherwise.

      That's actually a foundation of my more insane idea of completely eliminating traditional groups by letting people build their own groups in the form of prioritized tags, but that's another post for another time.

      17 votes
    7. ~personal should be a thing

      I understand we have ~life but I think something more ~personal would be more beneficial, life could pertain to a lot of different things but personal would be far more effective. We could also...

      I understand we have ~life but I think something more ~personal would be more beneficial, life could pertain to a lot of different things but personal would be far more effective.

      We could also have ~personal.blogs for us to submit our personal blog posts that don't really have a place anywhere else.

      Would open and connect the community a lot more, allow for advice, general questions, and more.

      24 votes
    8. Tildes ReExtended is being taken down from the Chrome Web Store for supposedly breaking its policies

      To the few people that are using Tildes ReExtended on Chrome (and the rest that needs yet another reason to despise Google), the extension might get taken down from the Chrome Web Store for...

      To the few people that are using Tildes ReExtended on Chrome (and the rest that needs yet another reason to despise Google), the extension might get taken down from the Chrome Web Store for supposedly violating its Spam & Placement policy. But I'll let CWS Support explain it, since I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about, here are the 2 emails I've received and what I responded with.

      CWS Email 1, received 2020-06-08 10:04

      Dear Developer,

      Your recent publish request for Google Chrome item "Tildes ReExtended" with ID: opjikhnnnagajmhcdglgfbaephgpfjcc was rejected because it did not comply with our policies.

      If you already have a published version of this item on the Chrome Web Store, it has not been affected and is still available.

      Your item did not comply with the following section of our Program Policies:

      "Spam and Placement in the Store"

      • Items should work and provide some functionality upon installation.
      • Items should provide the promised functionality that aligns with the description of the item.

      Please review your item and make necessary changes so that it provides the function/service included in the item’s description.

      Once your item complies with Chrome Web Store policies, you may request re-publication in the Chrome Web Store Developer Dashboard. Your item will be reviewed for policy compliance prior to re-publication.

      If you have any questions about this email, please respond and the Chrome Web Store Developer Support team will follow up with you.

      Important Note:

      Repeated or egregious policy violations in the Chrome Web Store may result in your developer account being suspended or could lead to a ban from using the Chrome Web Store platform.

      This may also result in the suspension of related Google services associated with your Google account.

      Sincerely,

      Chrome Web Store Developer Support


      Developer Terms of Service
      Program Policies
      Branding Guidelines

      © 2020 Google LLC, 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043 , USA
      Email Preferences: You have received this mandatory email service announcement to update you about important changes to your Chrome Web Store developer account.

      Response 1, sent 2020-06-08 15:59

      Hi, I'm a bit confused about how the extension violates those policies, since it satisfies both of the included bullet points.

      Upon installation, there is a set of features that are enabled by default. (Which you can verify for yourself here https://gitlab.com/tildes-community/tildes-reextended/-/blob/master/source/ts/utilities.ts#L36-55). Which addresses the first point.

      And for the second point, the description, which is currently:

      Features include:

      • Dedicated "Back To Top" button.
      • Improved "Jump To New Comments" button.
      • Improved "User Labels" functionality; multiple labels per person, custom colors, priority order.
      • New "Hide Votes" feature.
      • New "Markdown Toolbar" feature.
      • More features to come. https://gitlab.com/tildes-community/tildes-reextended/issues

      Is literally a list of what the extension is capable of...

      I'd also just like to mention, the latest update only contains a breaking bug fix and updated dependencies (compared to the previous update). So I'm confused why the previous version was allowed through and this one isn't, since it's practically the same.

      CWS Email 2, received 2020-06-09 14:53

      Dear Developer,

      We routinely review items in the Chrome Web Store for compliance with our Program policies to ensure a safe and trusted experience for our users. Your item "Tildes ReExtended," with ID: opjikhnnnagajmhcdglgfbaephgpfjcc, is being taken down as it currently does not work or provide any functionality upon installation. Items on the Chrome Web Store should work and provide the promised functionality that aligns with the description of the item.

      Please review your item and make necessary changes so that it provides the function/service included in the item’s description.

      Files/images which are calling in manifest file should be included in the package.

      Once your item complies with Chrome Web Store policies, you may request re-publication in your developer dashboard. Your item will be manually reviewed for policy compliance which typically takes a few business days, prior to re-publication.

      If you have any questions about this item’s removal, you may reply to this email and the Chrome Web Store developer support team will follow up with you.

      Important Note Repeated or egregious policy violations in the Chrome Web Store may result in your developer account being suspended. This may also result in the suspension of related Google services associated with your Google account.

      Thank you for your cooperation,

      Google Chrome Web Store team


      Developer Terms of Service: https://developers.google.com/chrome/web-store/terms

      Program Policies: https://developers.google.com/chrome/web-store/program_policies

      Branding Guidelines: https://developers.google.com/chrome/web-store/branding

      Response 2, sent 2020-06-09 15:12

      Hi again, I guess I'm not talking to a human being but some automated system. But in case I am, I'll just reiterate:

      And for the new "Files/images which are calling in manifest file should be included in the package." part, I just double-checked and everything defined in the manifest is indeed included in the package.

      And also...

      Your item "Tildes ReExtended," with ID: opjikhnnnagajmhcdglgfbaephgpfjcc, is being taken down [...]

      Really? You give me absolutely no meaningful information on what I'm supposedly doing wrong and now the entire extension is being taken down? I guess now I know what Pushbullet felt like. (https://blog.pushbullet.com/2020/05/13/lets-guess-what-google-requires-in-14-days-or-they-kill-our-extension/)

      I guess "providing more actionable rejections" isn't in the works, after all? (https://blog.pushbullet.com/2020/05/15/our-extension-is-safe/)

      Would love to get an actual response... Thanks.

      CWS Email 3, received 2020-06-10 13:41

      Dear Developer,

      We routinely review items in the Chrome Web Store for compliance with our Program policies to ensure a safe and trusted experience for our users. Your item "Tildes ReExtended," with ID: opjikhnnnagajmhcdglgfbaephgpfjcc, is being taken down as it currently does not work or provide any functionality upon installation.

      Items on the Chrome Web Store should work and provide the promised functionality that aligns with the description of the item.

      Ensure that your filename/directory names in the package are not started with underscore (_) as it is not able to load the extension.

      Please review your item and make necessary changes so that it provides the function/service included in the item’s description. Once your item complies with Chrome Web Store policies, you may request re-publication in your developer dashboard. Your item will be manually reviewed for policy compliance which typically takes a few business days, prior to re-publication.

      If you have any questions about this item’s removal, you may reply to this email and the Chrome Web Store developer support team will follow up with you.

      Important Note Repeated or egregious policy violations in the Chrome Web Store may result in your developer account being suspended. This may also result in the suspension of related Google services associated with your Google account.

      Thank you for your cooperation,

      Google Chrome Web Store team


      Developer Terms of Service: https://developers.google.com/chrome/web-store/terms

      Program Policies: https://developers.google.com/chrome/web-store/program_policies

      Branding Guidelines: https://developers.google.com/chrome/web-store/branding

      Now before anyone mentions it, yes I could have worded my response more delicately and in better faith, but I didn't because I can't be bothered spending the time and mental energy on arguing to stay on a platform I don't use nor care much about. If the extension does get removed, I'm sorry if you're one of the 6 users that will get fucked over because of this. My recommendation would be to use Firefox instead, as the newest version there was approved in less than 5 minutes after I submitted it.

      Edit 1: Added the 3rd email I've received. See my comment here for thoughts.

      Edit 2: Everything seems to be sorted now after I fixed a problem, I don't know.

      48 votes
    9. Would everyone here, at least, consider allowing me to slowly migrate r/AskBibleScholars to Tildes?

      A little over two years ago Reddit was the obvious choice for me to create this community since I already had built a reputation with the moderators and scholars at r/AcademicBiblical. At that...

      A little over two years ago Reddit was the obvious choice for me to create this community since I already had built a reputation with the moderators and scholars at r/AcademicBiblical.

      At that time I was acquainted with around a couple dozen Biblical scholars. Now, the panel of scholars that I've helped to build at r/AskBibleScholars is well over two hundred and growing.

      To be clear, our community is an academic one that is focused on education and learning. On the contrary, we are not religiously affiliated nor interested in espousing any particular dogma so on and so forth.

      Recently, I had to implement even tighter restrictions (using AutoModerator; Thanks to @Deimos for this wonderful tool!) and you can read about it here.

      Eventually, Reddit will shit the bed and I'd like to, at least, be prepared for when this happens.

      54 votes
    10. Can someone explain subgroups to me?

      Why is it that there is ~tildes and ~tildes.official? Why not just ~tildes and ~announcements? Why not just ~health and ~coronavirus? Why not just ~games and ~game_design? I understand the appeal...

      Why is it that there is ~tildes and ~tildes.official? Why not just ~tildes and ~announcements? Why not just ~health and ~coronavirus? Why not just ~games and ~game_design?

      I understand the appeal of hierarchical tags. However, if posts in subgroups don't collect into their parent groups, then why even have them at all?

      https://tildes.net/~tildes/pia/can_someone_explain_subgroups_to_me#comment-55ml

      12 votes
    11. Is there such a thing as too many tags?

      This post has twelve tags My intuition says that’s too much. I’ve noticing that most people use a lot more tags than I do, but I don’t really know how they work, hence the question: is there such...

      This post has twelve tags

      My intuition says that’s too much. I’ve noticing that most people use a lot more tags than I do, but I don’t really know how they work, hence the question: is there such a thing as too many tags? What’s the best practice?

      9 votes
    12. Should we consolidate all the George Floyd protest threads into a daily megapost/thread like we did when COVID began spreading?

      The main advantage of this is that updates can be organized and followed daily like on the COVID threads (which is especially useful if you don't live in the US and can't keep track of what's...

      The main advantage of this is that updates can be organized and followed daily like on the COVID threads (which is especially useful if you don't live in the US and can't keep track of what's going on) and the main disadvantage is that unlike COVID, we have no idea if this will go on long enough or be dynamic enough to truly merit that. (Although in @dubteedub's COVID post he doesn't discount doing updates every 3 days, which we could do although that conflicts with 7-day weeks)

      12 votes
    13. New topics request

      I’m sorry if this isn’t the correct avenue or if I have missed a previous post about this but I was wondering how new topics could be requested. I think a DIY topic would be great, as a woodworker...

      I’m sorry if this isn’t the correct avenue or if I have missed a previous post about this but I was wondering how new topics could be requested. I think a DIY topic would be great, as a woodworker I think something more specific to woodworking would be great but with the current size of the user base a more broad topic might be better suited.

      4 votes
    14. The case for an "Escalation" label for political threads

      This is a follow up to the thread from a few days ago, and specifically my comment in that thread regarding the use of a "Escalation" label. As many users identified in that topic, political...

      This is a follow up to the thread from a few days ago, and specifically my comment in that thread regarding the use of a "Escalation" label.

      As many users identified in that topic, political discussion on Tildes has the potential to become very heated, very quickly, and often the standards of discussion on these topics is below what we expect elsewhere on Tildes. In that thread, many suggestions were offered in order to remedy the situation, including banning overt political content entirely, more liberal moderation by @Deimos, more liberal usage by the community of labels, addition of new labels, and more. All of these solutions have their advantages and disadvantages, but I want to talk about the one I believe would be the most effective and least disruptive to the site as is: addition of new labels.

      Right now, there are two main tags that might be used on a comment that is seen as falling short of Tildes's standards: noise and malice. Users seem to have some variation in how they interpret how each tag should be used, but it seems like there is at least some agreement on the 'noise' tag being used for comments that are clearly low effort. Users seem to have more hesitation to use the 'Malice' tag, however. While it is sometimes clear when a comment is hostile or malicious, this is not always the case. Argumentative is not always hostile, and sometimes topics are naturally contentious. One takeaway from that thread (for me) is that labeling something as malice confers a judgement on intent, and users are not always comfortable doing this as it can be difficult to tell if someone truly meant to be malicious. But in political threads, the intent matters less than the effect a comment has in a discussion. Someone can not be acting maliciously, but still be clearly making the situation worse. This is the point of an 'Escalation' label.

      An "Escalation" label should be applied to comments that have made the situation worse.

      Furthermore, an "Escalation" label would not only affect the sorting of a comment or thread, but has the potential to halt the discussion if there is too much escalation in a short amount of time. Here is what I envision:

      Define the heat of a comment (as in, "ohhh this conversation is getting heated") as follows:

      H = k*n ∑ Ni / di

      where k is a tuning constant, n is the number of escalation tags given to the comment in question, and the sum ranges over the comment's direct ancestors and descendants in the thread with Ni being the number of "Escalation" labels given to the other comment and di is the distance from the current comment to that other comment. Here is an example thread:

      .
      ├── A
      ├── C0
      │   └── C1 (N=1)
      │      └── C2 (N=0)
      │          └── C3 (N=2)
      │               └── C4 (N=1)
      └── B0
          └── B1
      

      The heat of comment C3 would then be

      H = k*2 (1/2 + 1) = 3k

      Finally, define the heat H(T) of a thread T to be the sum of the heats of its comments. My proposal is that if the heat of a given thread surpasses some threshold value Hc, replies are locked in that thread only. This essentially shuts down extremely heated conversations before they get out of control and cause an entire topic to be locked.

      The above definition can obviously be modified, but it has a few good properties that I think should be retained.

      1. It takes into account the relative positions of comments. A thread that is 20 comments long that has a comment with 1 "Escalation" at the beginning, midpoint, and end is probably a better and more controlled situation than a thread with 3 "Escalation" labels in a row.
      2. One extremely heated comment (n is large) that generates many okay or slightly heated replies (n~1) is oftentimes just as bad as many comments that each escalate a bit (a long chain of comments, each with n~1).
      3. It considers a the whole thread as opposed to on a comment by comment basis. If there is only one person in a thread posting heated comments, even if the replies are measured and reasonable, there is a good chance that thread is not producing a worthwhile discussion. If that one problem user stays problematic too long, eventually the heat of the thread will surpass the threshold and the chain will be locked.

      I am sure there are disadvantages that I am not thinking of right now, but I truly think a system like this could be beneficial if implemented and used by Tildes. Furthermore, if two people are genuinely interested in the discussion and want it to continue, it is in their interest to avoid posting comments that get generate a high heat score so that the thread doesn't become locked. If they are not interested and keep escalating anyway, that conversation probably shouldn't continue.

      I am interested in your thoughts on this idea. However, I don't intend for this topic to become a repeat of many of the suggestions and comments in the thread linked at the beginning - I don't mean to reignite that discussion.

      31 votes
    15. Add descriptions to tags in the autocompletion menu

      GitLab issue: Add descriptions to tags in the autocompletion menu When adding tags to a topic, there is an autocompletion menu that becomes available when you begin inputting tags. The tags that...

      GitLab issue:


      When adding tags to a topic, there is an autocompletion menu that becomes available when you begin inputting tags. The tags that are included in this autocompletion menu are the commonly used tags for whichever group it is that the topic belongs to.

      There are also three "global tags" that show up in the autocompletion menu regardless of which group the topic belongs to. They are nsfw, spoiler, and coronaviruses.covid19.

      (In the future, I imagine more global tags will be added as well.)

      What I would like is, when typing out the tags for a topic and seeing the autocompletion suggestions, for there to be a short description for the global tags, and many of the popular tags (as makes sense), that explains why or when the tag is used.

      For instance, I tagged with topic with the suggestions tag. When typing the word "suggestions", the relevant tag was made available in the autocomplete menu, so that I could quickly select and apply it to the topic without having to type the entire word out. What I am suggesting is for there to be a short description after the word "suggestions" in the autocomplete menu. Something like:

      suggestions - For topics that suggests an idea for the site or community

      Obviously that's just a quick example, but hopefully you understand by now what it is that I am suggesting.

      I feel like just by adding short descriptions to these tags, we could make the process of selecting the correct tag, and understanding the overall way tags are used on Tildes, a bit less daunting for newcomers who want to get involved in the folksonomy.

      11 votes
    16. Search a user's topics by tags

      GitLab issue: Search a user's topics by tags Currently, if I wanted to see every topic on Tildes tagged with history, I could visit this URL: https://tildes.net/?tag=history If I wanted to narrow...

      GitLab issue:


      Currently, if I wanted to see every topic on Tildes tagged with history, I could visit this URL:

      https://tildes.net/?tag=history

      If I wanted to narrow that search to a specific group, such as ~humanities, I could visit this URL:

      https://tildes.net/~humanities?tag=history

      However, I cannot do the same thing for a specific user. For instance, if I wanted to see all the topics tagged with history and submitted by @cfabbro, there currently is no way to do that (as far as I know).

      So two suggestions:


      It would also be nice if, in addition to being able to search for topics submitted by a user via tags, we could also do the same thing, but via groups or domains instead.

      Thankfully though, @skybrian already has that idea covered in this issue on GitLab:

      8 votes
    17. Would it be beneficial to ban certain topics of political discourse?

      I've noticed that there are certain topics (specifically political ones) that reoccur frequently on this site, which almost never contribute anything of value. These can derail threads, incite...

      I've noticed that there are certain topics (specifically political ones) that reoccur frequently on this site, which almost never contribute anything of value. These can derail threads, incite hostility between users, push away new users, etc. IMO it is rare that anything new is said, and even rarer that any opinions are changed. Examples include: socialism vs capitalism; should real leftists vote for Biden?; is Biden a rapist?; are Bernie supporters toxic?; etc. I'm not saying these aren't important things to discuss (I've done so myself), but is it really necessary for us to have the exact same arguments basically every day? I personally feel the site would be nicer to use and less toxic overall if these discussions didn't happen. Would there be any downside to simply banning them, at least temporarily? Perhaps until after the US presidential election?

      22 votes
    18. Is there any way to filter out users?

      I was reading this thread and thinking about my experience with political stuff on Tildes. It seems that issues proposed by the thread often have more to do with individuals than a topic or group....

      I was reading this thread and thinking about my experience with political stuff on Tildes. It seems that issues proposed by the thread often have more to do with individuals than a topic or group.

      It's a little less obvious now for two reasons 1) usernames are only visible within "link threads" 2) you can only see a limited sections of posts on other peoples profiles.

      I'm not knocking those choices I just want to point out that it makes it less easy to general sense of who is posting in a way that you find to be lacking substance or inflammatory.

      I would be happy if I could rely on filtering groups from the home page but unfortunately it doesn't take much guile for an individual to politicize virtually any topic that arises in a way that triggers distracting or unpleasant emotions around a discussion.

      My questions are:

      • Do we have that option to filter out users right now?
      • Would that option make your experience on Tildes better?
      • Would it be useful to filter a users posts while choosing to allow their comments on other threads?
      11 votes
    19. How to be a good contributor to Tildes?

      Recently, I have blocked both reddit and facebook on my computer and devices in order to combat the utter fatigue that engagement with those sites produces. I've always really enjoyed the...

      Recently, I have blocked both reddit and facebook on my computer and devices in order to combat the utter fatigue that engagement with those sites produces. I've always really enjoyed the atmosphere here at Tildes better than either site and have hoped (though I gather this is not currently the goal) that it would supplant reddit in the future.

      In order to get my news/discussion fix, I've begun submitting more content here than I have before. In the mornings, I go through my RSS feed, and pick out articles that I feel are interesting/would spark discussion here. I also try to conduct myself better here than I might on reddit, where JAQing off and bad faith argumentation are much more common.

      I don't want to flood Tildes with too much content, so I'm trying to submit fewer than 10 articles per day. What are some other tips for good etiquette here, particularly insofar as it differs from reddit? I know there is an FAQ about Tildes but I'd like to hear what the community thinks, too.

      Best,
      -gbbb

      25 votes
    20. How do I know how to properly tag my posts?

      Say I wanted to create a thread about running. Running is a sport and hobby. Sports is often seen more as the professional side of things (say, Olympic running). Then again, many runners take...

      Say I wanted to create a thread about running. Running is a sport and hobby. Sports is often seen more as the professional side of things (say, Olympic running). Then again, many runners take their hobby quite seriously and definitely exercise it as a sport. How do I know which one of those two groups is the more appropriate?

      8 votes
    21. Open Tildes day?

      Apologies if this has been discussed already. I had this idea of a compromise between Tilde's need to grow, and the desire to avoid an Eternal September. Couldn't we make Tildes open to...

      Apologies if this has been discussed already.

      I had this idea of a compromise between Tilde's need to grow, and the desire to avoid an Eternal September. Couldn't we make Tildes open to registration one day (or one week) a year?

      This avoids a lot of the problems associated with open registration websites. For example, a spammer/troll can't just re-open an account after being banned. Of course, they could have opened several accounts and re-invite themselves, but I think these could be easier to track (especially with invite tracing).

      It would also give time to train new users before the next batch comes in.

      Of course, the exact timing could be tuned. It could be a day a month, for example.

      What do you think?

      17 votes
    22. Tildes 'style guide' for headlines

      I posted an article. Between the site headline ("Scrutiny of Social Distancing Policing as 35 of 40 Arrested Are Black") and the actual HTML <title> ("The NYPD Arrested 40 People on Social...

      I posted an article. Between the site headline ("Scrutiny of Social Distancing Policing as 35 of 40 Arrested Are Black") and the actual HTML <title> ("The NYPD Arrested 40 People on Social Distancing Violations. 35 Were Black.") I thought the title was more descriptive, so I used that.

      And then when I reloaded the main page, the topic I had just submitted looked a bit off. It was missing the trailing period. I had typed the headline in, instead of copying & pasting it, so I assumed I'd just left that off. I went to edit the title (since that's possible for a few minutes after submission), added the period, clicked save, and...it was still not there.

      It seems like there's logic built in to the site that will automatically strip the trailing periods off? That's understandable, I can see the desire to have a uniform journalistic style for news-type headlines (@Deimos has mentioned before, for example, wanting to standardize on "Apollo astronauts land on moon" sentence case over "Apollo Astronauts Land on Moon" title case)

      But, to the extent we have such a 'style guide' enforced, I think the usability could use a bit of improvement. Editing something, even if it's just to add a trailing period, and seeing my edit not get saved at all, is really weird. Maybe a pop-up telling me what's changed, or a entry in the topic log, or something? Right now that little "no periods at the end of headlines" rule seems baked in to Tildes in a way that's not at all transparent or discoverable.

      17 votes
    23. Is there any consistent definition for what a long read is?

      This article I posted has been marked as a long read with 2.7k words but this other article I posted has 4.7k words and hasn't been marked as such so what gives? We should probably also consider a...

      This article I posted has been marked as a long read with 2.7k words but this other article I posted has 4.7k words and hasn't been marked as such so what gives?

      We should probably also consider a 'medium read' and apply some of these standards to videos as well.

      10 votes
    24. Happy 2nd birthday, Tildes!

      It has been another year, so there is another birthday! Happy birthday everyone! 🎉 Consider donating to Tildes so we may celebrate many more birthdays to come! 🎂 https://docs.tildes.net/donate...

      It has been another year, so there is another birthday! Happy birthday everyone! 🎉

      Consider donating to Tildes so we may celebrate many more birthdays to come! 🎂

      https://docs.tildes.net/donate

      Tildes has no investors, no advertising, and does not sell anything (including its users' data). Donations are its only income.

      83 votes
    25. Label sorting options in comment history

      Hi, I'm not sure if this has already been proposed, but I think it could help solidify the labeling system somewhat if there were options in your profile to sort your comments by labels. Right now...

      Hi, I'm not sure if this has already been proposed, but I think it could help solidify the labeling system somewhat if there were options in your profile to sort your comments by labels. Right now you can sort by newest or most upvoted, which is fine (although adding an option for oldest wouldn't hurt), but there's no particular way to see which comments of yours have received "exemplary" status etc. without scrolling through the entire list.

      Since labels are not really directly correlated with upvotes, lacking such sorting options means that they are still considered a secondary/unimportant feedback process on Tildes. I personally think that one of the best ways that Tildes can distinguish itself from other content aggregators like Reddit is this slightly more complex feedback system, so it should probably be emphasized a little more on profiles as well.

      3 votes
    26. Demographics Survey Results, Year 0.5

      Intro Hello everyone. Due to @Kat’s ever-failing health, I will be analyzing the data instead of her this time around. If you have no idea what this is about, see the demographic survey that was...

      Intro

      Hello everyone.

      Due to @Kat’s ever-failing health, I will be analyzing the data instead of her this time around. If you have no idea what this is about, see the demographic survey that was posted on the day of Tildes’ half-year birthday. She’s done this before, so let’s see what's new.

      The original survey was answered by 404 people, while the half year survey was answered by 293. Though the total number of replies was lower, the completion rate was actually higher: 293 responses from 422 unique visitors, or 69.4%, up from the first year’s 404/599=67.4%. The decrease in answers is most likely attributed to the change of the default sort from “Activity, all time” to “Activity, 3 days”: the response rate held fairly consistent for the first three days, then plummeted after the third as the topic stopped being able to gain any publicity. Though response rates on the original were not high after the first three days, there was a steady trickle up until the survey stopped accepting responses.

      While the numbers are relatively big (for a community of this size), do take anything found with a healthy dose of scepticism. Even though the original dataset she shared with me does not contain any identifiable information (all I can see are randomly-generated user strings) the specifics of that data will not be posted, as was mentioned during the original survey. This is because I am unable to be certain I can sufficiently anonymize it. Typeform has created a summary of the data on a per-question basis with substantially more datapoints than this thread, which you can find https://themeerkat.typeform.com/report/H2TtYg/rVf75AqbKaPncy6y.

      Explanation

      I will compare the statistics with a similarish reference set based on the six most common territories, all of which are above one percentage of the survey answers. That means when I compare on the general populace, I will base it on numbers from USA, Canada, UK, Australia, the Netherlands, and France.

      This means it will be weighted like this:

      USA CAN UK AUS NL FR
      55 22 20 10 8 6
      45.45% 18.18% 16.53% 8.26% 6.61% 4.96%

      I’ll clean up my data sheet and post it in the comments later. You all are absolutely encouraged to fix it because it will most likely contain errors.

      The interesting stuff

      What has changed in the first half year?

      Age

      This time around an age range was used instead of an exact numerical input, but if we were to assume that everyone is aged in the middle of their age range (so 20 for 18-22 year olds, for instance), the average age of a user would be 26.84 years, or 26 years, 9 months, and 4 days old (roughly). So we’ve grown a bit younger than last year, on average.

      Gender and identity

      Gender distribution seems to be roughly the same. We see a small decrease in percentage of heterosexuals, divided roughly evenly on the remaining categories. We also see a significant increase in the amount of transgender users, but since the amount reported is small, that could also just be statistical noise. The percentage of polyamorous people has remained exactly the same. For pronouns, there are only three users who prefer it/its, and zero who prefer any neopronoun set: every “Other” was offering commentary on the question rather than answering it. Similarly, almost all of the “Others” for orientation were expressing that they didn’t understand the specifics of the options given.

      All in all, little has changed.

      Territorial

      In both surveys, three options dominated: the USA, the UK, and Canada. On that end, little has changed, though it seems that all of the Swedes disappeared, with zero answering the half year survey as compared to eight for the first one. Wonder what they’ve been busy with.

      Native language

      Unsurprisingly, about everyone speaks English. What is more surprising is the lack of native multilinguals: fewer than 6% of Americans who natively speak English also natively speak a second language. For comparison, that’s 10% for Australians, 21% for Canadians, and 13% for the UK. This represents an overall decrease in geographic diversity, with users coming from 36 different countries as compared to 42 the first time.

      Religion

      Compared to the world at-large, we sure are a god-denying folk. A whopping 52% of us consider ourselves atheists, whereas the sample data puts it at 12.1%, so we’re far from the norm of our fellow citizens.

      We got a few interesting answers in the “other” section of the religion part of the survey. We got a few interesting ones I had never heard of before, like “Discordian”. But generally speaking, around half of them were either “none” or one of the actual options. Two stood out to me though.

      To the one Chinese user who filled it in as “The heck is chinese traditional”: I have no idea either.

      To the one Australian user who wrote “Left-hand path Heathen”, you be yourself, mate.

      Politics

      The average has barely moved in the last half year—we’re still slanted very much to the left. Unlike the first survey, there was no freeform input this time around, so the specifics are hard to discuss.

      Computers

      We have seen a drastic fall in the percentage of Windows users. It was at 60%, and is down to 43%. Nearly all of this has gone to Linux, which is now at 38%. That’s quite large, especially compared to the reference data, which has Linux use among web users at 1.23%. It’s like a herd of penguins in here.

      Mobile phones

      Compared to half a year ago, not many of us have switched mobile OS. Compared to the calculated data, we like Android slightly more than average. 62% vs 72%.

      Not much interesting in the “other” section, though I will give a salute to the one American user still holding out on Windows 10 Mobile.

      Work

      We have a pretty even distribution with three exceptions. “Computer software”, “Never employed”, and “IT”. Nearly 3/4 who answered “Never employed” are currently students.

      Among the students, we only have one student that proudly smokes and has no interest in quitting. The campaigns seem to be working.

      Tildes usage

      If we look at the users who visit Tildes multiple times per day, we see a few interesting trends. Nearly all of them use Android, and nearly all of them are employed. Beyond that it all seems surprisingly… average.

      Overall, people rated Tildes as a platform as-it-stands a 5.7/7 (0.81), and their optimism for the future of the site at a 5.4/7 (0.77). The most important reason they use the site (of the options given) is “Minimal, fast design” at a 4.6/5 (0.92), with “Privacy-consciousness and lack of trackers” right on its heels. 20.8% of users have ever contributed money to Tildes (surprisingly high, compared to most donation campaigns), with about half as many making a recurring donation.

      Despite @Kat’s insidious attempt to influence the data, “waves” as a demonym only received 5.5% of the vote. The leader for that, overwhelmingly, is “no demonym at all”, with a combined 49% of the votes and 18.5% of respondents strongly preferring the site not to have a demonym. Second place, the generic “users”, only has 15.8% in comparison. The first Tildes-specific demonym present is Tilders/~​rs, with 13.4%.

      Most notably, about ⅔ of users would prefer Tildes to be remain invite-only long-term.

      Freeform questions

      The survey had three freeform questions: “What do you like most about Tildes, thus far?”, “What do you like least about Tildes, thus far?”, and “What is the most pressing missing feature/‘pain point’ for you about Tildes in its current state?” All the comments fill over 30 pages, so it seems like we really have a lot to say. You can download and look at all of the raw answers here, if you’d like. They’ve been shuffled to ensure privacy.

      Likes

      A large majority of the comments boil down to “a quality of discussion where disagreement is discussed in a respectful and level-headed way”. A very significant amount also point out the lack of “low effort content and trolls” as a good thing. A significant amount also mention the simple and quick-loading interface. We also have one user who believes he can find a twerk team on Tildes.

      So on this, @Deimos can feel proud for what he has done. Though you know what really makes the site good? There is one comment that properly gets it: “The people, d’awwww.”. Yes, that includes you.

      Dislikes

      But not everything is perfect, though negatives about Tildes seem to be a lot less unanimous than the positives. There are a few that repeat a bit more often than others: the biggest one is “left centrism in discussions” or “echo chambers”, though in a close second, as with any political discussion, is its exact opposite with complaints about “too much discussion about left-centrism in discussions”—notably, though, in the question “Do you feel as though Tildes has a good mix of political opinions, for your personal preferences?”, the leading answer was “Yes” with 63%. A small amount of users also think we have too many software developers.

      Beyond that, the main complaint that stands out is “lack of users and content”, which I am sure will improve in time.

      Missing feature/pain point

      This too is very varied. A lot of the comments are actually about features that have been introduced since the survey was done, like bookmarking. Honestly, it’s not that many complaints compared to just likes and dislikes.

      The “majority” seem to be on a lack of tag autocompletion, USA-centrism, and the lack of a mobile app.

      There was one more section: “If you would like to offer any long-form commentary, criticism, or feedback regarding Tildes, you may do so here.” Due to its nature, I’ll let you read through them yourself in the raw data, if you’re interested.

      Closing words

      First of all, to everyone who took the time to answer: thank you! I hope this post and the survey has brought some fun to everyone. If there’s an interest, I am sure that Kat, myself, or someone else will make another one at the one year anniversary. We already got some feedback in the previous thread, but we’re always open for more.

      I will do some additional data comparisons on request. I might be a bit occupied this weekend, though, so that will come when it comes.

      45 votes
    27. Political discussion here seems to be really bad. Is it even possible for it to be good?

      I think it's clear that all tildes political discussion leads to intractable arguments. Considering tildes was created to foster high quality discussion, I was wondering if it's even possible to...

      I think it's clear that all tildes political discussion leads to intractable arguments. Considering tildes was created to foster high quality discussion, I was wondering if it's even possible to have nuanced political discussions online. In person discussions work for me because I have base levels of respect for all the people I talk to, but that's quite difficult to get online. Are we doomed to snark and condescension filled megathreads, or is there a better way to structure the conversations? Are there additional political ground rules that need to be set up?

      43 votes
    28. What do we call "political"?

      As a lurker in the recent thread on political discussion, I couldn't help but relate it to several similar discussions on Lobste.rs and Hacker News which inevitably come up whenever someone posts...

      As a lurker in the recent thread on political discussion, I couldn't help but relate it to several similar discussions on Lobste.rs and Hacker News which inevitably come up whenever someone posts something about minority rights or economics. These threads tend to end up with loops of reasoning that amount to people talking past each other, partly (in my opinion) because people define "politics" differently and tend to use the term without defining it.

      So: what counts as "politics" to you? What kinds of discussion are "political" in nature, and which are not?

      10 votes
    29. "Watching" a comment in a thread

      I often come across a topic that I find somewhat interesting, but end up being much more interested in a discussion happening within that topic. I think it would be useful to be able to "watch" a...

      I often come across a topic that I find somewhat interesting, but end up being much more interested in a discussion happening within that topic. I think it would be useful to be able to "watch" a comment/thread to be notified if someone replies to a comment. Thoughts?

      10 votes
    30. Blocking or ignoring users

      I've used a myriad of online forums for decades and most, if not all, of them supported blocking or ignoring users. I don't believe that Tildes has this functionality since I can't seem to locate...

      I've used a myriad of online forums for decades and most, if not all, of them supported blocking or ignoring users.

      I don't believe that Tildes has this functionality since I can't seem to locate it.

      If that's the case, then why doesn't Tildes have this feature?

      7 votes
    31. Don't record topic history by submitters within the first 5 minutes of posting?

      Quick one for the Gitlab: Just how comment submitters get a few minutes of breathing room to make adjustments and edits to their comment before an indication the comment has been edited appears,...

      Quick one for the Gitlab:

      Just how comment submitters get a few minutes of breathing room to make adjustments and edits to their comment before an indication the comment has been edited appears, it'd be nice if the topic history which records title adjustments/tag changes/tilde moves doesn't record history by submitters just after posting?

      Usually, I'll forget to add a tag or two, or decide the title can be appropriately clarified further within a minute or two of submitting. Today I made a particularly egregious mistake which is now recorded for all time (and further documented here!) by submitting that post to ~tildes initially!

      Usually, edits by the post submitter within the first few minutes aren't of particular consequence, so recording them is a bit much, in my view. This would generally dovetail well with the notion that Tildes discards information if it isn't needed. Thoughts?

      9 votes
    32. What happened to subscribe/unsubscribe on the groups page?

      I remember there being subscribe/unsubscribe buttons on https://tildes.net/groups By default new accounts are subscribed to every group, earlier I could just goto that page and unsubscribe from...

      I remember there being subscribe/unsubscribe buttons on https://tildes.net/groups

      By default new accounts are subscribed to every group, earlier I could just goto that page and unsubscribe from groups I'm uninterested in. Looks like now you have to goto each group page and unsubscribe there.

      11 votes
    33. How should I report outdated docs or suggest edits to the wiki?

      I've been reading the docs after joining the site (hi!) and noticed a few places that were either outdated or unclear. Should I ignore them, given the disclaimer on the Instructions doc that says...

      I've been reading the docs after joining the site (hi!) and noticed a few places that were either outdated or unclear. Should I ignore them, given the disclaimer on the Instructions doc that says docs may not be current? Or is it better to report them?

      Here's a list of what I noticed for context:

      Some guidance on what to do with discoveries like these will be helpful for those who read docs :)
      I'm not really asking them to be updated here and now, but that's a fine outcome of this post too.

      13 votes
    34. How should we be tagging topics related to the coronavirus outbreak?

      @emdash made an excellent comment detailing why they think the tag being used for topics related to the coronavirus outbreak, coronaviruses.covid19, "is a bit weird." Their comment: Offtopic: This...

      @emdash made an excellent comment detailing why they think the tag being used for topics related to the coronavirus outbreak, coronaviruses.covid19, "is a bit weird."

      Their comment:

      Offtopic: This is super, super nitpicky, but the Tildes tag coronaviruses.covid19 isn't medically or epidemiologically accurate. A coronavirus is a family of similar RNA viruses, which includes the viruses which causes SARS and MERS. The specific coronavirus at the epicentre of this pandemic is SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, which is the disease caused by having the virus—COVID-19 isn't the name of the virus itself. This is separate still from the outbreak/phenomenon itself, which wikipedia has called "2019-2020 coronavirus outbreak".

      So effectively the tag syntax is [virus family].[disease] which is a bit weird. I'd probably would have gone for [virus family].[virus], i.e. coronaviruses.sarscov2. If you really wanted, you could tag the disease further down the chain to separate discussions on the virology/genetics/medicine from the human factors: coronaviruses.sarscov2.covid19 but that's getting a bit too verbose, probably (yes, this is coming from the same person who argued nested tags should usually be avoided, har har).

      Pragmatically, all this doesn't matter all that much I guess, I'm still using the tag as it appears widely accepted now, I just wanted to talk to the void about it. It's also just interesting in general.


      Finally, I would just like to point out that we were previously using a tag of just coronavirus, but that was later changed to coronaviruses.covid19.

      15 votes
    35. Feature suggestion: One-to-many user thread format

      This may seem like I'm rambling but, please bare with me, I think I have some point(s) to make. I've been trying to locate a common ancestor image to the album cover of Gnarls Barkley's single...

      This may seem like I'm rambling but, please bare with me, I think I have some point(s) to make.

      • I've been trying to locate a common ancestor image to the album cover of Gnarls Barkley's single Crazy and the banner of an interesting talk titled Imagination and it's resistance to chance. I think the resemblance is sufficient to suggest one an ancestor exists and it's not just a crazy coincidence. Can anyone help identify it?

      • The same academic conference linked above hosts a fascinating introduction to Intensionality, Invariance, and Univalence. It captures some of the most exciting mathematics going on at the moment. Presumably I should be posting this in ~science tagged as mathematics. Is there some limit at which particular tags become popular enough to warrant their own subtilde? Are there queries users can run to determine tag counts? These questions were prompted by the slight irritating thought of classifying mathematics under science.

      • People could respond to many different parts of this thread since I've written so much. However, the points are slightly related, at least in how I present them. If I were to split them up into separate posts, not only would it add to the noise, each point would lose whatever relation they had. So, I wonder if, much like r/IAMA, could there be a better format for conversations where many users are speaking to a particular individual? An expert or celebrity perhaps. Trying to track all the replies of the main user was always a hassle in those IAMA threads.

      If there's interest in such an extension to tildes, I'd like to offer my help in implementing it. That's my main point really and why I posted here.

      7 votes