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    1. Change group color on unsubscribe (on the groups page)

      Perhaps the post was posted in the wrong place and can be moved or deleted. But it's not entirely clear. There is a page: https://tildes.net/groups Where is it written: Group name colors:...

      Perhaps the post was posted in the wrong place and can be moved or deleted. But it's not entirely clear.

      There is a page: https://tildes.net/groups

      Where is it written:

      Group name colors: subscribed / not subscribed. You can change your subscription status to a group in its sidebar when you are viewing it directly.

      I decided to experiment and unsubscribe from some groups. However, there are no changes on this page. Perhaps it’s just me or I’m doing something wrong.

      7 votes
    2. Much Ado About Title Case

      I've noticed some people making a point of editing titles on articles to either impose or undo title case on articles. I dug around a bit and haven't been able to find any style guide suggestions...

      I've noticed some people making a point of editing titles on articles to either impose or undo title case on articles. I dug around a bit and haven't been able to find any style guide suggestions on the matter.

      Barring some kind of official stylistic standards being laid down, that I'd like to respectfully request that curator roles refrain from overruling a submitter's formatting choices without good reason.

      26 votes
    3. New groups and site mechanics - 2021 edition

      The last group request thread was last year. With all the meta-chat lately it might be time for a new one, and maybe expand a bit more in terms of site organization in general. I mainly want to...

      The last group request thread was last year. With all the meta-chat lately it might be time for a new one, and maybe expand a bit more in terms of site organization in general.

      I mainly want to take this opportunity to make the recent meta feedback a bit more actionable: Which current problems can be solved via site mechanics? Will leave some thoughts in the comments.

      35 votes
    4. Is there any interest in a Cryptocurrency group on Tildes?

      I know chat about cryptocurrency hasn't been extremely popular here in the past, but I am curious if there is enough interest now to make a group for it. I am looking for a place to discuss it...

      I know chat about cryptocurrency hasn't been extremely popular here in the past, but I am curious if there is enough interest now to make a group for it. I am looking for a place to discuss it from an enthusiast's perspective because Reddit is just getting a little too crazy for me.

      13 votes
    5. Can we filter out or block comments from other users?

      I don’t believe that there is a way for us to filter out or block comments from other users. Discord has, in my opinion, a decent way of approaching this. Is there some mechanic like this on...

      I don’t believe that there is a way for us to filter out or block comments from other users. Discord has, in my opinion, a decent way of approaching this.

      Is there some mechanic like this on Tildes?

      (Wouldn’t something like this alleviate our overlord @Deimos?)

      8 votes
    6. Being 'notified' of highly upvoted posts even if you aren't subscribed to that particular tilde?

      There are a few tilde categories that I'm not subscribed to. However, I'd like to 'see' or be 'notified' if a particular post reaches a certain threshold. For example, let's say that I am...

      There are a few tilde categories that I'm not subscribed to. However, I'd like to 'see' or be 'notified' if a particular post reaches a certain threshold.

      For example, let's say that I am unsubscribed from ~sports. Then there is a post, in ~sports, that receives a vote count of 20. I'd be interested in seeing that.

      Does this make sense? What say you?

      16 votes
    7. Feature suggestion - tildes only content

      It would be nice if there was an extra box that allows you to add info that is private to the people on tildes. For example I would like to share creds to a game account, but I only want people on...

      It would be nice if there was an extra box that allows you to add info that is private to the people on tildes. For example I would like to share creds to a game account, but I only want people on tildes to get that info, not the public who aren't users and just visit.

      10 votes
    8. No feedback when saving filters

      If I add, remove, or change a topic filter, and then press the "Save" button, I get no indication that anything happened. It does work, but it's odd that it doesn't tell you it tried. What if...

      If I add, remove, or change a topic filter, and then press the "Save" button, I get no indication that anything happened. It does work, but it's odd that it doesn't tell you it tried. What if something caused it to fail? (Maybe that case is handled?) I think it should say something like "Changes saved at 3:11:42PM", or something along those lines so you know it actually updated.

      5 votes
    9. Feature request: "confirm comment submission" option

      I constantly hit the "Enter" key in the middle of writing a comment, usually when moving my hand over to my mouse. To avoid this, I'd love it if there were an option in settings to require a...

      I constantly hit the "Enter" key in the middle of writing a comment, usually when moving my hand over to my mouse. To avoid this, I'd love it if there were an option in settings to require a confirmation before any comments are actually submitted. It shouldn't be required, but it would be helpful for me personally.

      5 votes
    10. How do you think we should deal with compliments?

      Compliments are, technically, to be tagged as 'noise' and often also 'offtopic' for usually being only loosely related to the commment or post they're replying to. But the warm fuzzies empathy is...

      Compliments are, technically, to be tagged as 'noise' and often also 'offtopic' for usually being only loosely related to the commment or post they're replying to. But the warm fuzzies empathy is pretty important in a community, and I don't remember seeing an unnecessary compliment anywhere so, unsurprisingly, people don't noise compliments. But they still might clutter space for a potential reply giving advice. So do you think the current arrangement is fine? I personally would probably make a label for compliments which would either be neutral or slightly positive, and maybe publically visible so everyone can (but don't have to) see the compliments of the receiver but I haven't thought about this too deeply.

      5 votes
    11. What kinds of content are you hoping to see on Tildes?

      There's been quite a bit of discussion lately about people don't want to see, but not that much about what sort of content we do want to see. What would you like to see more of? For the official...

      There's been quite a bit of discussion lately about people don't want to see, but not that much about what sort of content we do want to see. What would you like to see more of?

      For the official stance, I'll repost the instructions that most of us are probably skipping over by now.

      Tildes prioritizes high-quality content and discussion
      Please post topics that are interesting, informative, or have the potential to start a good discussion.
      Please avoid posting topics that are primarily for entertainment or that don't have discussion value.

      This seems vague, and we probably have different ideas of what's high-quality and what counts as good discussion?

      I'm also wondering if we should be here more for the links or for the discussion. When I arrived, I was just happy to find a quiet place where I could post links to articles that I found elsewhere and were particularly interesting to me. (But I think I had gotten into a rut for a while after getting obsessed with the pandemic and politics.) Maybe we should try posting more links?

      28 votes
    12. Would it be useful to allow time-delayed posts?

      I have some music links I was thinking of posting. However, I didn't want to flood ~music with 10 new links at once. It can make a category look like it has really homogenous content to newcomers...

      I have some music links I was thinking of posting. However, I didn't want to flood ~music with 10 new links at once. It can make a category look like it has really homogenous content to newcomers when a single poster has posted a bunch of links at once. What I'd like to do is post one per day for the next several days. But I don't want to potentially forget one day because I got a little busy, or whatever. Would it be useful to be able to create a topic but set it to not post until a particular day or time?

      15 votes
    13. Suggestion: Having an @ help for users

      I don't think I saw a feature like this in the gitLab, apologies if it's already in the works or been suggested. The gist of it would be to have an @/help ping so if someone needs an edit to a...

      I don't think I saw a feature like this in the gitLab, apologies if it's already in the works or been suggested.

      The gist of it would be to have an @/help ping so if someone needs an edit to a title or tags or something, they can use that and it'd flag the topic or somehow show those who have the permissions that this thread needs attention. This might be helpful for users (like moi) who might not know the people who CAN do this already off the top of their head, beyond Deimos.

      Let me know your thoughts or if this could be a useful feature for anyone else.

      15 votes
    14. 🤷🤷♂️🤷♀️🤷🏻🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏼🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏽🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏾🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏿🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♂️

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      🤷🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️🤷🏻🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏼🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏽🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏾🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏿🤷🏿‍♀️🤷🏿‍♂️


      The person shrugging emoji works fine in topic titles, topic text, and comments, including the skin tone versions.

      However, the gendered versions of the emoji, with or without skin tone, do not work in topic titles. They do work in topic text and comments though.

      As far as I can tell, this is because Tildes strips the zero width joiner character from topic titles automatically, breaking emojis that rely on it.

      32 votes
    15. A question about Tildes invitations

      I've been handing out invites through subreddits such as r/tildes and r/RedditAlternatives. I've noticed, with each batch that @Deimos gives me, there are always a handful that go unused. Does...

      I've been handing out invites through subreddits such as r/tildes and r/RedditAlternatives. I've noticed, with each batch that @Deimos gives me, there are always a handful that go unused.

      Does anyone have any idea why people would go out of their way to request an invite to Tildes but then not use it?

      8 votes
    16. /groups indicates I am subscribed to ~anime, subscriptions list on the homepage indicates otherwise

      Pretty simple bug, documented as per title. The /groups page incorrectly indicates that I am subscribed to ~anime (I shouldn't be), whilst the ~anime group itself, and the subscriptions list on...

      Pretty simple bug, documented as per title. The /groups page incorrectly indicates that I am subscribed to ~anime (I shouldn't be), whilst the ~anime group itself, and the subscriptions list on the homepage (along with the topics I see), correctly show me as unsubscribed from ~anime.

      I could try toggling this? Which might fix the bug, but would also potentially erase the state of my subscriptions in the database and prevent debugging.

      8 votes
    17. Rethinking votes

      I know we have talked about it to death, and even run experiments on the mechanism, but I think it's worth re-evaluating the idea of voting on comments. I know that voting provides value to Tildes...

      I know we have talked about it to death, and even run experiments on the mechanism, but I think it's worth re-evaluating the idea of voting on comments.

      I know that voting provides value to Tildes as a social platform; it acts almost like a social currency; you know that if you have a lot of votes, people appreciate what you have to say. That provides incentive for people to write more comments and participate with the community.

      What I and others have come to realize is that votes also have negative effects on our community. Here's a short list of negative effects:

      1. Voting is addictive. I'm sure most of us are familiar with the process of clicking on our usernames to see how many votes our last few comments have gathered. We do this because it's a dopamine hit; they act like tiny digital love letters telling us how awesome we are.

      2. Voting is a measurement of popularity. Those love letters aren't actually how good you are, they measure how popular your ideas are. In other words, votes encourage group-think and creates an echo chamber that will prevent you from taking competing ideas seriously.

      3. Because of number 2, we alienate people with other ideas and reduce the richness and quality of discussion on this platform.

      4. Also as a result of number 2, the information that gets put into those popular threads becomes the de facto truth - weather or not it's actually true. This can prevent us from seeing the "bigger picture" or from understanding problems others might have with how we think.

      5. The end result of all of these effects is that we will slowly become more and more extreme and insular as time progresses. We essentially become the same as the people stuck in conservative media prisons that we tend to look down on.

      Personally speaking, I think that we would be a much more robust community if we had more conservative voices speaking up. After all, the left does not have a monopoly on the objective truth. I know we probably have a few conservatives that are lurking around, but I think that they are largely disincentivized to contribute because they don't get the same kind of votes left-leaning comments do.

      With that being said, I would like to hear back from everyone what they think we should do about voting. Should we go back to hiding vote totals again? Should we get rid of them entirely? Or maybe you think things are good as they are? Please let us know your reasoning.

      26 votes
    18. Discussion of politics going forward?

      @Deimos has expressed some concern about political discussions in the future here and I'll quote some of it: Personally, I'd like to try and reduce the amount of politics overall on the site in...

      @Deimos has expressed some concern about political discussions in the future here and I'll quote some of it:

      Personally, I'd like to try and reduce the amount of politics overall on the site in the near future. It's tiresome, exhausting, and the source of the large majority of the arguments and problems on the site in general. I don't know if I'll need to try to force that to happen or not—hopefully things will start going back to being relatively boring again.

      I agree that some people have trouble discussing politics and that, in turn, this causes problems with moderating a space such as Tildes.

      However, I believe that it is important for people to educate themselves and, in this case, discussion could be very helpful.

      One way in which this could be accomplished here is that politics be discussed in a framework of academics. For example, we could discuss things such as constitutional law or parliamentary democracy.

      This is much in the same way that r/AskBibleScholars approaches the Biblical texts in an academic fashion that examines the texts, archeology, etc.

      Basically, discuss politics outside of pop culture.

      21 votes
    19. When writing a comment or topic, the textarea element should automatically expand downward as the user enters more lines of text

      For me, the textarea where we write our comments and topic text, the "comment box", has always been too small. In fact, I use Stylus and a bit of CSS to automatically make the comment box larger...

      For me, the textarea where we write our comments and topic text, the "comment box", has always been too small. In fact, I use Stylus and a bit of CSS to automatically make the comment box larger on Tildes, because my comments often are larger than its default size, and I found that having to click, drag, and expand the box manually got annoying fast.

      Here's the CSS:

      textarea.form-input {
          height:700px;
      }
      

      Anyways, it turns out that for most people, the comment box is plenty big enough, and it's pretty easy on a desktop browser to make its default size larger if you really want to.

      Unfortunately, there's no easy way to do that on mobile.

      So it would be nice if the comment box would automatically expand when I reach the bottom of it, such as when my text wraps (or I enter) to a new line.

      I recently noticed that the comment box on Lobsters does this, so if you have an account and want to try out what I am suggesting, you can do that, but also, I brought screenshots:


      EDIT: Oh hey, it turns out that the Lobsters "implementation" is actually just this project:

      13 votes
    20. Add option to tip/promote posts

      I have an idea for Tildes. You can give people the option to promote their own posts ,using either real money or cryptocurrency, so their posts can appear on the homepage, they get exposure and...

      I have an idea for Tildes.
      You can give people the option to promote their own posts ,using either real money or cryptocurrency, so their posts can appear on the homepage, they get exposure and they support Tildes whilst doing it! Other people can also tip posts, both Tildes and the OP get a share of the revenue! The money Tildes makes from this will be able to support the site!

      Please add this. I don't want annoying Google ads.

      4 votes
    21. How will Tildes address disinformation/misinformation moving forward?

      I've skimmed through the Tildes docs and couldn't, specifically, find anything that would address this. We've all seen what happens when people are misinformed about reality through platforms such...

      I've skimmed through the Tildes docs and couldn't, specifically, find anything that would address this.

      We've all seen what happens when people are misinformed about reality through platforms such as Facebook and Twitter.

      22 votes
    22. Statistics on bans and transparency

      Do we have any statistics on how many users have been banned and why they’ve been banned? What information should be or remain public? Some forum sites let you see the banned users post and...

      Do we have any statistics on how many users have been banned and why they’ve been banned? What information should be or remain public? Some forum sites let you see the banned users post and comment history from prior to their ban; is there any value in that?

      Unrelated; how many Tildes-ers are we up to now?

      18 votes
    23. When seeing a tag in a group, there is a link to take you back. I think a link to see that tag in all groups would also be nice?

      When you click in a tag in a tildes group, you see the topics that have been posted in that group with that tag according to your filters. There's also a link to go back to normal viewing. I think...

      When you click in a tag in a tildes group, you see the topics that have been posted in that group with that tag according to your filters. There's also a link to go back to normal viewing. I think an option to see that tag in all groups would be a neat addition, even if not particularly important. Thoughts?

      15 votes
    24. When looking at the parent of a reply, the parent cannot be collapsed

      When I click on the "x comments" in the upper right to see responses to my previous posts, it lists out any unread comments to my posts. If I click on the "Parent" link to see my original comment...

      When I click on the "x comments" in the upper right to see responses to my previous posts, it lists out any unread comments to my posts. If I click on the "Parent" link to see my original comment and the reply, I can collapse the reply, but not the parent. This seems like a bug. I can collapse the grandparent, and it all goes away, but I'd expect to be able to collapse the parent as well.

      9 votes
    25. Collapsed comments that contain only a quote

      When a comment is collapsed, either through tags or already being read, it shows a one line preview of the comment. This preview skips any quotes in the comment. This works perfectly when quotes...

      When a comment is collapsed, either through tags or already being read, it shows a one line preview of the comment. This preview skips any quotes in the comment. This works perfectly when quotes are used to reference a part of the comment they are replying to. But if the comment includes only a quote, the preview line is just blank. This makes it look like an error. I think that, if a comment has only a quote, it should do something like this:

      Quote

      Or

      Quote: This is the quote text…

      7 votes
    26. Collapsible comments vs. spoiler tags

      Warning: this post may contain spoilers

      Just noticed that the contents of expandable comments are automatically shown in the one-line summary when comments are collapsed; see here. Considering we often use them for spoiler comments, maybe this warrants changing this behavior? Or at the least it adds to the case for implementing dedicated spoiler tags within comments.

      7 votes
    27. Should long-running content be bumped to the top of activity view if a certain heuristic is reached?

      Basically the title. I'm not going to navel-gaze too much here because it's not that much of a complex problem. Currently, as it stands, if a submission is older than x days (where x may be 3, but...

      Basically the title. I'm not going to navel-gaze too much here because it's not that much of a complex problem.

      Currently, as it stands, if a submission is older than x days (where x may be 3, but I'm not sure), new comments in that submission will no longer cause Tildes to bump the thread to the top of the list in activity view. Additionally, after 2 weeks, a note will be appended to the comment posting view indicating community standards around commenting on older threads.

      The scenario I'm seeking to solve is where one submission covers an event of some duration longer than a few days—where Tildes users feel repeated or recurring submissions are not warranted. My example is this thread about a YouTube video series that was released in three parts, but all discussion has been placed in that submission, presumably because no one has felt that duplicating a post for each new part of the series is worthwhile.

      Perhaps if a certain proportion of comments occur within a timeframe, after the submission has been aged out of the sliding window where new comments cause a bump in activity, a bump should still be allowed, but should require more than 1 comment to trigger said bump?

      There's some fairly good discussion in that thread that feels wholesome enough that it could be exposed again to the wider Tildes community—because right now everyone interested in that thread is operating under the implicit assumption that to read and participate about this topic, they have to remember to go back to thread y.

      6 votes
    28. Implement a feature that allows users to flag and challenge exemplary labels on comments they find undeserving

      Maybe it is just because I am particularly stingy with my use of the exemplary label, and maybe I should just start using it more often, but over the past week I have noticed quite a few comments...

      Maybe it is just because I am particularly stingy with my use of the exemplary label, and maybe I should just start using it more often, but over the past week I have noticed quite a few comments that have received exemplary labels that honestly... I don't consider to have been that great.

      This is not a particularly new phenomenon. I think anyone who has been on Tildes for a sufficiently long time has seen comments receive exemplary labels that they felt were undeserving. Part of that feeling is undoubtedly just disagreeing with the content of a comment, or disagreeing on what level of quality a comment should reach to be considered "exemplary". That just seems like an inevitable, organic contrast between users.

      However, there should be some minimum level of quality for a comment to be considered "exemplary", right? I don't think we could ever actually define that minimum level of quality though, and I certainly don't think we should try, but exemplary labels also can be misused and abused, so how do we somehow separate out a difference of opinion from a genuine instance of abuse, when we can't come up with an actual definition of "quality"?

      That's a very "organic" problem, as in, each person has a different definition of "quality", so I think the only way to solve that problem is through an organic solution.

      What if we allowed users to "flag" and challenge comments with exemplary labels?

      I imagine this would work much like the malice label, except it wouldn't have any effect on comment weighting or sorting, it would just require the user to enter a message explaining why they disagree with the exemplary label on the comment, and why it should be removed.

      Then, our intrepid overlord administrator can review the message and take action if necessary.


      Now, you might be wondering, why not just let the administrator handle it all in the first place, and not get users mixed up in the business of identify misuse of a label?

      Well sure, that's a valid enough way to go about it, considering that is how it has been done since labels were implemented, but one of Tildes' "big ideas" is community moderation and trust. I think allowing users to participate in the process of identifying label misuse fits very well with the theme of the Tildes community moderating itself. Yes, for now the administrator would be the only person who could actually make the decision to keep or remove a label, but that responsibility could easily be handed to trusted users in the future when needed.

      You also might be wondering why I don't just message the administrator about these "misused exemplary labels" when I think I have come across one.

      The answer to that is actually quite frank and simple: there are often too many for me or any other person to single-handedly explain why I think each individually mislabeled comment should be "corrected".


      However, I myself am not 100% sold on this idea, mostly because of one big point:

      Giving a comment an exemplary label, and then finding that label to have been removed, would fucking suck.

      Hm yeah, not exactly a situation overflowing with good feelings.

      I almost didn't even post this, because I understand just how frustrating it could be to find that your label was removed, but I still thought the idea was worth putting forward.

      And

      I have a lighter, alternative suggestion that might help to amend misuse of the exemplary label (if or where it does exist) but wouldn't require as many drastic changes to the site:

      Just make exemplary labels public.

      To be honest, I find it kind of strange that they aren't public. For me personally, labelling a comment as exemplary is a pretty strong endorsement that I appreciate and respect the quality of a comment. If I really am going to go out of my way to give a comment some sweet, sweet blue highlighting, I personally would also be fine with my username being next to that endorsement.

      Not everyone uses the label like I do though, and not everyone feels the same way about the comments they label as I do, so I can understand that having to endorse a comment with their username when labeling it as exemplary might shy some users away from using the feature.

      To that point, I have a question:

      • Shouldn't it though? If you're not willing to endorse a comment publicly, then is it really deserving of an exemplary label? I mean, you're having a big impact on the way discussions are ordered and presented to every other user on the site. That's a big deal. Shouldn't that sort of power carry with it some semblance of responsibility?

      Maybe we could cut the difference and have "light exemplary" labels that are anonymous, with less effect than the current label, and "heavy exemplary" labels that have the same or greater effect than the current label, but the user who applies the label is publicly named. That all feels like an over-complication though.

      23 votes
    29. How can we change the site's structure/mechanics/patterns so that we're not discouraging posting "too much" on particular subjects?

      Over the weekend, @skybrian posted a topic about feeling like you're posting "too much" if you submit too many links on the same subjects. As I said in my comment in there, I've definitely felt...

      Over the weekend, @skybrian posted a topic about feeling like you're posting "too much" if you submit too many links on the same subjects. As I said in my comment in there, I've definitely felt the same way sometimes, and I think we should try making some changes that can improve on this.

      One of the most common complaints about Tildes is that there isn't much content overall, and that most of it's very "general interest". This is largely because of how the site is set up now, where instead of having different communities, we basically just have one community that's lightly categorized by the groups. It's mostly the same users posting and discussing topics, regardless of which group they're posted in. This is totally fine and has worked well in a lot of ways, but it's also limiting in other ways, especially that it basically discourages posting "too much" about any particular subject because that will be annoying to all the users that don't want to see so much of that content.

      One of the best ways that Tildes will be able to grow is by being a place that's known for having good content on different topics. When I started /r/Games on Reddit, I was one of the heaviest submitters for quite a while, making sure that the subreddit was always full of the type of high-quality content I wanted to see. There weren't many viewers or commenters initially, but continuing to consistently post a lot of good content attracted more and more people, and eventually it became self-sustaining.

      We need to be able to take a similar approach here, but the current structure of the site is preventing it. For example, I'm one of the most frequent submitters to ~games (I've submitted about 1/3 of the topics in the last month), but I usually try to only post 1 or 2 topics there per day. I could easily submit 10-20 most days, but I know that will annoy a lot of users that don't care that much about games. That feeling isn't a good thing—it prevents any group from being able to "take off" individually.

      So to improve this, I think we're going to need to make some changes, and/or figure out some new patterns that we can use.

      First of all, I think it may be time to switch away from the current "opt-out" setup for groups (where you see everything by default) into an "opt-in" one where you have to specifically choose what you're interested in. This is something I've always planned to do eventually, because I think "forcing" everyone to see things that they're not especially interested in is both harmful to quality and causes a lot of strife. Switching will absolutely have some downsides too though, including that the activity in the more-niche groups will probably drop even more.

      It may also be best to switch away from "Activity" being the default sorting method. Again, this is something I didn't really expect to keep as the default forever, but it's been helpful while the site is small. However, having every new topic show up immediately in the most prominent position on the site just makes it even more annoying for people that aren't interested in the subject. For them, the top of the site keeps getting taken over by posts they don't care about. We're seeing this happen with ~music right now, because some users are trying to make it more active—which, again, should be a good thing—but I know that it's annoying some others.

      Some other things that might be worth considering include making it easier and more obvious that you can ignore individual topics and tags, adding new options for creating and filtering different "views", adjusting site behavior so it balances how many posts it shows from each group (but that would likely be confusing), etc.

      Another related topic I wanted to bring up (which @skybrian mentioned and I think is an interesting idea) is that we might be able to use "megathreads" more extensively somehow. For example, maybe having a megathread on a particular topic is a better way to judge the demand for a group/sub-group on a particular topic. Right now it's hard to do that because there isn't really any dedicated place to post if you're interested in something specific, but we might be able to encourage more activity by using a megathreads as almost a "testing ground".

      For example, if someone's particularly interested in woodworking, it would feel awkward to post a bunch about it in ~hobbies and effectively take over the group with woodworking content. But if there was a "woodworking megathread", it would be both more encouraging and contained (and easily ignored by other users), and if that thread started getting consistent activity from multiple users it would be a good indication that a ~hobbies.woodworking group would probably be able to stand on its own.

      I don't really have any particular plans for that kind of thing yet, but I think it's a possibility with a lot of potential, and we might even be able to find some ways to improve how megathreads work to support it. I'm definitely interested in hearing thoughts about how we could enhance threads to make them work especially well for that, including better ways for users to find and know about megathreads they'd want to read and participate in.

      I feel like this was a fairly scattered post with a lot of different thoughts in it, but overall I'm just looking for feedback or other ideas for ways we can adjust so that the site can keep growing and increasing in activity smoothly. This is important to figure out, and I think we're reaching the point where it's starting to become more urgent to do it soon. Let me know what you think.

      66 votes
    30. "Escaping" out of the tag autocompletion box after highlighting a tag will disable the autocomplete feature until the page is reloaded

      This one is a bit weird to describe, but if I start typing a tag like fe and get an autocomplete option for feature, I can then press the Tab key to highlight that first suggestion (and again for...

      This one is a bit weird to describe, but if I start typing a tag like fe and get an autocomplete option for feature, I can then press the Tab key to highlight that first suggestion (and again for the next suggestion). After that autocomplete option is highlighted, if I press Escape and close the autocomplete box, the autocomplete functionality will not return until the page is reloaded.

      6 votes
    31. IMO the text used for formatting/markdown shouldn't count towards the character limit in user bios

      I made a new bio recently and here been tweaking it for a while and hit the 2000 character cap and messed with some of the formatting and wording for it to fit in. Thing is, you don't read...

      I made a new bio recently and here been tweaking it for a while and hit the 2000 character cap and messed with some of the formatting and wording for it to fit in.

      Thing is, you don't read markdown formatting. My bio has quite a bit of formatting and the text with the formatting is ~1960 characters, but the text you read is only ~885 characters (according to word counter), or less than half that. I feel like that's not how it should work.

      8 votes
    32. Links inside a spoilerbox not working

      The first two image links in the spoilerbox of my Timasomo update don't work (as in aren't clickable or turn the text into a link), but others do. Bug? Test This is only a test. Or perhaps it's...

      The first two image links in the spoilerbox of my Timasomo update don't work (as in aren't clickable or turn the text into a link), but others do.

      Bug?

      Test

      This is only a test. Or perhaps it's the links.

      3 votes
    33. How do you think we should deal with multiple videos on the same topic?

      So what I'm talking about is stuff like this 10-video playlist or this 3 video playlist (Emp never actually made it a playlist unfortunately). So how should we deal with multiple videos from the...

      So what I'm talking about is stuff like this 10-video playlist or this 3 video playlist (Emp never actually made it a playlist unfortunately).

      So how should we deal with multiple videos from the same person on the same subject?

      Should the ability to make 10 link posts and wrap them under a single topic so people can comment on each video individually be a new feature (and if so should we be able to upvote the whole thing or each link individually?)

      Should we upload a playlist of all the videos like this?

      Should we make a text post with all the video links, like this but with videos instead of chapters?

      Or should we do something else?

      5 votes
    34. If bringing/migrating r/askbiblescholars to Tildes turns out well, what other subreddits/subreddit groups would you like to see here?

      I've heard many people here like truereddit and the depthhub network and so would probably pop up a lot here but I wonder what other suggestions we might have. I'd probably like r/imaginarymaps...

      I've heard many people here like truereddit and the depthhub network and so would probably pop up a lot here but I wonder what other suggestions we might have.

      I'd probably like r/imaginarymaps and a lot of related fantasy subreddits. It would probably also be interesting to call more hobby/social/'extravert' subreddits (or, odds are, any subreddit about anything that requires going outside, physical effort/tools or requires multiple people.)

      It would probably also be interesting to bring some subreddits for minority/discriminated against groups like r/ainbow, r/TwoXchromosomes or r/transgender.

      Lastly, there are namesake subreddits like r/hobbies.

      24 votes
    35. Announcing Tildes' Make Something Month (Timasomo) for 2020!

      Timasomo 2020 has concluded. Please visit the Showcase Thread to see and comment on participants' work! What is Timasomo? Timasomo is "Tildes' Make Something Month": a creative community challenge...

      Timasomo 2020 has concluded. Please visit the Showcase Thread to see and comment on participants' work!


      What is Timasomo?

      Timasomo is "Tildes' Make Something Month": a creative community challenge that takes place in the month of November. It was inspired by NaNoWriMo, the National Novel Writing Month. The first ever Timasomo took place last year. You can see the threads for the previous Timasomo using the timasomo tag, and you can see the final showcase thread of creations here.

      What are the rules?

      Timasomo is self-driven and its goals are self-selected. On November 1st, participants will commit to a creative project (or projects) that they plan to complete within the month of November. There is no restriction on the methods/products of creativity: writing, painting, code, food, photos, crafts, songs -- if it's creative expression for you, it works for Timasomo!

      Though most will be participating individually, collaborations are welcome too!

      What is the schedule?

      Timasomo begins November 1st and ends November 30th. All creative output towards your goal(s) should be confined to this time. This week prior to the start of November is for planning, and there will be a few days at the beginning of December given to "finishing touches" before we have our final thread, which will be a showcase of all the completed works. Below are the dates that I will be posting weekly threads:

      Sunday, October 18, 2020: Announcement Thread
      Sunday, October 25, 2020: Planning Thread
      Sunday, November 1, 2020: Roll Call Thread
      Sunday, November 8, 2020: Update Thread #1
      Sunday, November 15, 2020: Update Thread #2
      Sunday, November 22, 2020: Update Thread #3
      Sunday, November 29, 2020: Final Update Thread
      Sunday, December 6, 2020: Timasomo Showcase Thread

      This announcement will be posted in ~tildes. All Timasomo process threads will be hosted in ~creative. The final Timasomo Showcase thread will be posted in ~talk.

      Can I participate?

      Yes! Timasomo is open to anyone on Tildes! The greater Tildes community is also encouraged to participate in discussion threads even if you are not actively working towards a creative goal. This is meant to be an inclusive community event -- all are welcome! If you are interested in participating but do not have a Tildes login, please e-mail the invite request address here for an invite to the community.

      Participants will formally announce their plans to enter into Timasomo on Sunday, November 1st, in the Roll Call thread. If you are planning to participate or just want to follow the event, please make sure you are subscribed to ~creative where all of the update threads will be posted.

      What if I have ideas for how to run the event?

      Please share them here! I am facilitating the event, but I am completely open to feedback and suggestions to make this the best event possible. I want this to be Tildes' event, not kfwyre's!

      51 votes
    36. Tagging: "cpu" or "processors"

      For topics concerning thinking silicon, we currently use two different tags: processors and cpu. We should probably condense these topics down to just one tag, but which? There actually is a...

      For topics concerning thinking silicon, we currently use two different tags: processors and cpu. We should probably condense these topics down to just one tag, but which?

      There actually is a difference between just a processor versus a CPU, one term is a bit more specific, but it's a very minor and unimportant distinction as far as Tildes is concerned, I think.

      So, which tag should we settle on? Is there a third, better tag we could use instead?

      7 votes
    37. Is this a reply quoting bug or feature?

      I noticed an odd behavior, and I can't tell if it's an intended feature, or if it's a mistake. I selected some text in a comment. I then scrolled it offscreen as I read more comments. Eventually,...

      I noticed an odd behavior, and I can't tell if it's an intended feature, or if it's a mistake. I selected some text in a comment. I then scrolled it offscreen as I read more comments. Eventually, I started to reply to a comment further down on the page. When I pressed the "Reply" button, it used the selected text from an entirely different comment as a quote block in the reply.

      I think it makes sense to pull selected text into a reply, if the selected text is part of the comment you're replying to. I was surprised to see it happen when replying to a different comment. Is this intentional or a bug?

      7 votes
    38. Really specific formatting bug? Putting 2 "larger than" (quote trigger) characters separated by a paragraph break in a codeblock will add an extra "larger than" character between them.

      To simplify the title: (Formatted text, no space. (Behind the arrows.) While it's expected for quote blocks to not separate with one 'line' between them, it's definitely not expected for the block...

      To simplify the title:


      (Formatted text, no space. (Behind the arrows.) While it's expected for quote blocks to not separate with one 'line' between them, it's definitely not expected for the block to be the same size, even w/o text.)


      (Formatted text, with a space. Added this one in to contrast with Preformatted w/ space and because it separates the code blocks.)


      >
      >
      >
      

      (Preformatted/Codeblock text, no space. The "quote trigger" arrow in the middle is the bug, since if you look at the "view markdown" option of this post you'll realize that arrow shouldn't be there.)


       >
      
       >
      

      (Preformatted/Codeblock text, with a space. This is how I personally fix the bug, if it is that. You can also fix it by typing space into the phantom arrow.)




      Now with text inside the quote blocks, for comparison. (And because quoteblocks have to quote something.):

      qwerty

      asdf

      (Formatted text, no space. Here the block expands normally for the text.)


      qwerty

      asdf

      (Formatted text, with a space.)


      >qwerty
      >
      >asdf
      

      (Preformatted/Codeblock text, no space. The arrow in the middle I never typed in is still there.)


       >qwerty
      
       >asdf
      

      (Preformatted/Codeblock text, with a space.)

      8 votes
    39. Do you use the ignore feature? What type of posts do you ignore?

      I've found myself ignoring a lot of posts that are simply lifted and reposted from the front page of HN without any meaningful discussion on them. I wish there was a magic filter that'd...

      I've found myself ignoring a lot of posts that are simply lifted and reposted from the front page of HN without any meaningful discussion on them.

      I wish there was a magic filter that'd auto-ignore posts for me that are currently trending on HN or Reddit, as I only really come here for the niche topics and discussions.

      This got me thinking: what does the rest of the community use the feature for?

      17 votes
    40. Tildes should show the name of user creating link posts

      In text posts, like this one,, we can see the name of user who created it. But if it is a link post then it shows site name in it's place. To see who created that post we have to open the comments...

      In text posts, like this one,, we can see the name of user who created it. But if it is a link post then it shows site name in it's place. To see who created that post we have to open the comments page. Site name can be moved to article details line where the date of publishing and word count is. That way both info can be shown.

      Reason. Both information is shown at same place currently 1. which can confuse new users. for example. Notice after four times mentioning site name there is a username. 2. both can't be shown together.

      12 votes
    41. How do you know whether a back-and-forth conversation is productive and/or appreciated?

      Sometimes I get into a back-and-forth... heated interaction with someone, and it goes on for a while, and then they stop responding. Afterwords, I might wonder if it was worthwhile. Maybe they got...

      Sometimes I get into a back-and-forth... heated interaction with someone, and it goes on for a while, and then they stop responding. Afterwords, I might wonder if it was worthwhile. Maybe they got tired of arguing with me, or maybe they just thought the conversation reached its natural endpoint? Rarely, the conversation might end with us explicitly agreeing it was a good discussion, but that's kind of formal and not the usual case online.

      Just stopping is my habit as well. If I don't want to talk anymore, I upvote the last comment (if I thought it was good) but don't reply.

      In the case of repeated interactions like this with the same person, sometimes I wonder if I'm annoying them by replying to their comments too much, particularly if we disagree often. I've never been explicitly told to go away, but people are often reluctant to say things like that, for good reason since you never know how people will react.

      It seems to me that upvotes don't tell me this. Upvotes tell you whether your comments make sense to the crowd. They don't tell you whether the person you're talking to liked your reply. Which seems like it would be good to know. It would be valuable feedback if the goal is to be a better conversationalist. That seems like a good goal to aim for?

      I guess we could get in the habit of saying "good point" and all that, and sometimes things can be inferred from what people say if you're good at taking hints, but not all of us are. But we are all trained to upvote things we like already, and it seems like it would be nice to take advantage of that.

      To the extent that people like to gather internet points, I wonder what sort of conversation would be encouraged if you got them by writing a good reply from the perspective of the person being replied to? But I guess it could be gamed pretty easily if two people cooperate, so we probably shouldn't keep a total.

      Also, think about how this looks from the outside: if you are reading a conversation by two other people in a heated back-and-forth, how do you know whether they're having a good time or not? Maybe it seems obvious, but in some cases a heated discussion might look worse to outsiders than participants. If you could see that they liked each other's comments then it would seem friendlier.

      Note that Facebook does tell you who upvoted a comment, but since it tells you everyone who upvoted it, it's even more information, maybe too much.

      (This is a followup to @NaraVara's previous topic, focusing on a particular aspect of it.)

      13 votes
    42. Addressing topic areas that chronically engender "low quality" discussion

      It is pretty clear there are certain subject areas where the discussion simply never goes well here. This isn't a Tildes thing really. Frankly these topics rarely go well anywhere online but, as...

      It is pretty clear there are certain subject areas where the discussion simply never goes well here. This isn't a Tildes thing really. Frankly these topics rarely go well anywhere online but, as we have aspirations 'round these parts of being more sophisticated than the Reddit rabble, I think it's worth digging into.

      Overall Tildes is a fairly low-activity site, but if I ever see a topic that even tangentially touches on "identarian" issues get past double-digit comments, there will almost surely be an acrimonious exchange inside. I don't want to pretend I'm above this, I've been sucked into these back-and-forths myself as, I think, has almost every regular poster at one time or another. I've largely disengaged from participating in these at this point and mostly just watch from the sidelines now.

      Unlike most of the common complaints with Tildes, I don't think this one will get better as the site grows and diversifies. If anything, I think it's going to end up creating norms and a culture that will bleed over into other controversial topics from tabs/spaces to iOS/Android. To keep that from happening, the community will need to form a consensus on what "high quality discussion" means and what we hope to get out of having conversations on these issues here.
      To start, when I say "doesn't go well" I'm thinking of indicators where some combination of the following happen:

      1. None of the participants learn anything new about the subject, themselves, or another viewpoint
      2. Preponderance of "Malice" and "Noise" tags
      3. Heated back-and-forth exchanges (related to the above)
      4. Frequent accusations (and evidence) of speaking in bad-faith or mischaracterization of peoples' statements

      These threads end in people being angry or frustrated with each other, and it's become pretty clear that members of the community have begun to form cliques and rivalries based on these battle lines. It also seems like the stridency and tone are making people leave out of frustration, either deleting their accounts or just logging off for extended stretches of time, which is also an outcome we don't want. So let's go into what we can do to both change ourselves and how others engage with us so people feel like they're being heard without everything breaking down into arguments.

      The "Whys" of this are varied and I'm sure I don't see the whole picture. Obviously people come into any community bringing different background experiences and with different things they're hoping to get out of it. But in my view the root cause comes down to approaching discussions as a win/lose battle rather than a shared opportunity to learn about a subject or perspective. From observing many of these discussions without engaging, there are evident patterns in how they develop. The main thrust seems to be that criticism and pushback pretty quickly evolve from specific and constructive (e.g. "This [statement or behavior] is problematic because [reason]") to general and defamatory (e.g. "[Person] is [bad thing], as evidenced by them doing/making [action/statement]").

      This approach very quickly turns a conversation between two people into a symbolic battle about making Tildes/the world safe for [community], defending the wrongfully accused, striking a blow against censorship, or some other broad principle that the actual discussion participants may or may not actually be invested in. Once this happens the participants are no longer trying to listen or learn from each other, they're trying to mine their posts for things they can pick through to make them look bad or invalidate their participation. This has the effect of obliterating nuance and polarizing the participants. Discussions quickly devolve from people speaking candidly to people accusing each other of mischaracterizing what they've said. This makes people defensive, frustrated, and creates a feedback loop of negativity.

      The win/lose battle approach permeates political discussion on Tildes (and elsewhere), which is a separate issue, but it gets especially problematic in these threads since the subject matter is intensely personal for many people. As a result, it's important to take care that pushback on specific positions should always endeavor to make people feel heard and accepted despite disagreement. On the flip side, there needs to be a principle of charity in place where one accepts that "no offense/harm intended" actually means no offense intended without dissecting the particulars of word-choice to uncover secret agendas. If a charitable interpretation is available, it isn't constructive to insist or default to the uncharitable one. It may not feel fair if you know that the more negative interpretation is correct, but it is literally impossible to have productive discussion any other way. If you can't imagine that a well informed, intelligent, and decent person might hold a certain view then the only conclusion you can draw is that they're either ignorant, stupid, or evil and every response you make to them is going to sound like you think this of them. That's not a position where minds are going to be changed from. English isn't necessarily a first language for everyone here and, even if it is, not everyone keeps up to date on the fast moving world of shifting norms and connotations in social media. What's more, not all cultures and places approach these issues with the same assumptions and biases you're familiar with.

      Now I don't actually believe in appealing to peoples' sense of virtue to keep things going constructively in situations like this. Without very active moderation to reinforce it, it just never works and can't scale. So I think operationalizing these norms is going to take some kind of work. Right now we freeze out comments when they have a lot of back-and-forth, which I think is good. But maybe we should make it a bit more humanistic. What if we rate limited with a note to say "Hey this discussion seems to be pretty heated. Maybe reflect on your state of mind for a second and take a breather if you're upset."

      Or, in long threads with lots of my bad indicators, the submit button can send to the post preview rather than immediately posting. It could then flash a banner to be a quick reminder of the ground rules (e.g. Try to assume good faith, Remember the Human, Listen to understand rather than respond, Careful with the snark, It's not about winning/losing, etc.) This would introduce just a touch of friction to the posting process, hopefully just enough to make people think "Maybe I could phrase that better" or "You know, this isn't worth my time" and disengage (Obligatory relevant XKCD)

      Alternatively, maybe it is the case that this is honestly just intractable without some sort of third-party mediation mechanic and we freeze out comments under such topics entirely. Like I said before, I worry the frequency with which these discussions turn dispiriting has a chance of acculturating new users or signaling to prospective users that this is an expected way for this community to engage.

      This is a long post, and I hope it does not itself turn into another case study in the issues I'm trying to raise. I want to open the floor to anyone who has other ideas about causes and solutions. I also ask that we try to keep any critiques to specific actions and behaviors without trying to put blame on any groups of people. We all contribute to the vibe one way or another so we can all stand to try a little harder on this front.

      25 votes