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  1. Comment on This site is fast in ~tildes

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    It’s admittedly not my usual style. It’s much choppier than what I typically write (which tends to be longer and more meandering to a fault). I can definitely get where you’re coming from about it...

    It’s admittedly not my usual style. It’s much choppier than what I typically write (which tends to be longer and more meandering to a fault). I can definitely get where you’re coming from about it feeling “off.”

    I was lying in bed last night and the thought was dancing around in my head, so I punched it out on my phone really quickly and submitted it, mostly as a way of clearing my mind. I honestly didn’t put too much thought into it other than getting words down.

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  2. Comment on What's your video game comfort food? in ~games

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    Celeste is my "snow day game." I'm a teacher in an area that occasionally gets blizzards, so I'll sometimes get an unexpected day off in the middle of the week. I personally feel that (aside from...

    Celeste is my "snow day game."

    I'm a teacher in an area that occasionally gets blizzards, so I'll sometimes get an unexpected day off in the middle of the week.

    I personally feel that (aside from the shoveling), a snow day is nature's way of saying "go, be cozy." Make some hot chocolate. Bundle up. Snuggle with a pet or loved one. Watch a favorite movie. Curl up with a book.

    Or play a favorite videogame.

    Celeste hits the right notes of a snow day game for me. It's a wintery game in which you climb a mountain. The vibes are right. I can also finish it in under two hours now that I've played through it a few times. It's challenging enough to be exciting, but not hard enough to be frustrating (note: I'm only doing the main game -- no B or C sides, no Core or Farewell).

    In each of the few snow days I've had in the past few years, I've booted up the game, played it in one or two sittings, and felt just really good about it. So I'll probably keep doing it as a habit. The game is both comforting and invigorating, like a warm cup of coffee on a cold morning.

    5 votes
  3. Comment on What's your video game comfort food? in ~games

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    I'll co-sign on this one. Mario 64 is one of the games I can return to and know that I'll have a good time with. That said, I'm not on your level, as I can't 120 star it that quickly (under three...

    I'll co-sign on this one. Mario 64 is one of the games I can return to and know that I'll have a good time with. That said, I'm not on your level, as I can't 120 star it that quickly (under three hours!!! you could get on the speedrun.com leaderboards with that time), and not without save states. Also, despite how many times I've played it, I'm still AWFUL at the Bowser throws. 😭

    Not to go all completely-unsolicited-recommendation on you (though that is exactly what I'm doing), but I recently played Super Mario Star Road, a romhack of SM64 that feels like an honest-to-goodness effort at a fan sequel.

    It was thoroughly enjoyable to play an SM64 game in which I didn't already know where everything was. Having to hunt around for stars and red coins took me back to my childhood. The game was completely familiar and comfortable in terms of mechanics, but felt fresh to play because I didn't have the levels memorized. If you're looking for a comfort play that isn't just another runthrough of the (still fantastic) original, I highly recommend Star Road.

    5 votes
  4. Comment on This site is fast in ~tildes

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    You know, it's been a while since I looked at the docs. In those early Tildes days when I would consult them regularly, I was much more interested in the site's pro-social and privacy stuff, and...

    You know, it's been a while since I looked at the docs. In those early Tildes days when I would consult them regularly, I was much more interested in the site's pro-social and privacy stuff, and any of the technical information would have slid right by me because I don't really have the background for it.

    But reading it now, it's clear that the site's speed isn't an accidental byproduct of its content but a deliberate design decision from the outset. Very cool. Thank you for highlighting this for us.

    19 votes
  5. Comment on This site is fast in ~tildes

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    Alas, I am not so spectacular. I am little more than a small language model contained inside a limited human brain. But oh how I wish I had the grand powers of ChatGPT within my own mind!

    Alas, I am not so spectacular. I am little more than a small language model contained inside a limited human brain. But oh how I wish I had the grand powers of ChatGPT within my own mind!

    18 votes
  6. Comment on How I reversed Amazon's Kindle web obfuscation because their app sucked in ~tech

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    Yeah, if you've already got KOReader set up, especially with syncing, then it probably doesn't have much to offer. I recommend BookFusion as an alternative for less techy people like me who want...

    Yeah, if you've already got KOReader set up, especially with syncing, then it probably doesn't have much to offer. I recommend BookFusion as an alternative for less techy people like me who want an easy-to-use, turnkey platform.

    As for my BOOX (or should I say BOOXes) I love them. I've got the Page as my main e-reader, and the Palma 2 as my travel e-ereader.

    I can't give a complete review of them as intended because they're meant to be full-fat Android eink devices. You have access to the full Play Store and can install any apps you want. They're pretty much black-and-white tablets/smartphones (though the Palma can't make calls) with a bad refresh rate.

    I haven't really explored any of that however. On each one, I've only installed BookFusion and that's all I use it for. Within this very narrow scope, both the devices and BookFusion work splendidly.

    I will say, when I first started using them, I was kind of appalled at the ghosting. It was pretty bad. Turns out that, because they're meant to be used as full Android devices, the settings for the screen prioritize a better refresh rate, the cost of which is more ghosting.

    The good news is that they have settings you can fiddle around with to balance out the display. I dropped a higher refresh rate in favor of less ghosting and more precise rendering. It would be bad for any real-time usage (if I were, say, typing emails or browsing the web), but for reading, where I turn a page once every 60 seconds or so, it's great.

    Mine are now in a good spot where, just like any good ereader, I don't really notice the devices at all because they just get out of the way and let me enjoy the book uninterrupted.

    1 vote
  7. This site is fast

    I have decent internet at home. I have great internet at work. Despite the speeds of those though, seemingly every website out there feels laggy and heavy. You click, you wait, you get a skeleton...

    I have decent internet at home.

    I have great internet at work.

    Despite the speeds of those though, seemingly every website out there feels laggy and heavy. You click, you wait, you get a skeleton of the page, with different elements that rapidly pop in until you're staring at the full site. You see the little loading animation on the tab for one, two, three seconds. It isn't exactly "slow" by any means, but it's far from instantaneous either.

    Clicking around the web these days feels like I'm playing a game with unignorable input lag.

    And I get it. The modern web is complex. It's genuinely a miracle that this is possible in the first place, so I really shouldn't be complaining that the bits traveling through the internet from dozens of servers thousands of miles away aren't getting here immediately.

    I get that high resolution screens require large images, and the ubiquity of video these days adds even more weight. I get that many websites are closer to applications than they are static pages.

    I'm not trying to take away from the awesome magic that is our modern miracle of connectivity in the slightest, and I'm appreciative to all the people here who spend their livelihoods working on it. Y'all are awesome.

    I'm just trying to say that, well, sometimes moving around on the web can drag. And when you've been using it for a long time, the dragging can get under your skin a little bit.

    However, my real point lies not in the rest of the internet, but here. I'm talking about this "heavy web" baseline as a contrast for one of the things I love about Tildes:

    it. is. so. snappy.

    I click, and BAM, the page is there. Immediately.

    It's sharp. It's crisp. It's no-nonsense. No waiting for elements to pop in. No subconsciously watching for the loading animation to stop so that I know I can start to interact with site.

    For general design reasons, I've always loved that Tildes is text-only, but more and more I appreciate that aspect simply because Tildes feels good to use because it is so quick and responsive. I don't know how much of that is due to the text-only part of things and how much of it is Deimos being a genius code wizard who made an amazing platform, but I'm happy about it regardless.

    This site has got zero input lag.

    And that feels great.

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  8. Comment on How I reversed Amazon's Kindle web obfuscation because their app sucked in ~tech

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    I've brought this up before, but I'll probably keep talking it up at the risk of sounding like a shill because I'm so happy with it: BookFusion It's a BYOB cloud reading service. It's wonderful. I...

    I've brought this up before, but I'll probably keep talking it up at the risk of sounding like a shill because I'm so happy with it: BookFusion

    It's a BYOB cloud reading service. It's wonderful.

    I buy most of my books through Kobo, but also grab occasional DRM-free reads from Humble Bundle, StoryBundle, Project Gutenberg, Standard Ebooks, etc.

    For Kobo books, I strip the DRM in Calibre. For all of my books, regardless of the source, I use Calibre to set up their metadata, and then I upload them into BookFusion using its Calibre plugin.

    I have my entire library, in the cloud, ready to read from any device. Their web reader is excellent. Their iOS app is excellent. Their Android app is excellent. I'm someone who reads on a different device depending on my setting, so I genuinely do hop between all three of them on a very regular basis. The reading experience and syncing are honestly smoother than I ever had with the Kindle or Kobo platforms.

    They also support pretty much every book type out there, including first-class treatment of comics and PDFs. (No audiobooks yet though).

    So, when I say my entire library, I mean that my regular text-only books live under the same roof as all of my graphic novels, and neither feels like a second-class citizen. Also, I can't tell you how much I love that my DRM-free books get the same treatment as everything else. They're completely integrated into my library, instead of feeling tacked on or only available on one device without cloud syncing (like they did on Kindle and Kobo).

    There are only two real caveats I can give the service.

    The first hardly counts as one, but you do have to pay for it. I pay ~100 USD annually for the plan with the most storage, and, according to my stats, I read over 150 hours on the platform in my first year. Less than a dollar per hour is fantastic value, in my opinion.

    The second caveat is an actual one: you can't just plonk it on any ereader device. Currently, the only way to get it on eink devices is to get one that's running Android and install the Android app. Once in the app, you can turn on eink optimizations to make it run well on that type of screen (and, once you do this, it works wonderfully).

    Nevertheless, that means that, at present, it won't run on a Kindle or a Kobo. I use a BOOX device as my designated BookFusion reader.

    They are currently planning for KOReader integration. I don't think it's a guaranteed feature by any means, but if they do move forward with that, it's possible you could read your BookFusion library through KOReader on a Kobo or Kindle. If you're interested in that, I wouldn't put all your eggs in the BookFusion basket just yet though. Definitely wait it out and see.

    But if you're looking to break out of the Kindle ecosystem right now and into one you're in charge of, I can't recommend BookFusion enough.

    (No, this post isn't sponsored. I just really, genuinely love BookFusion.)

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  9. Comment on Please help me pick my next book to read! in ~books

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    What a weird coincidence. I literally bought a copy of Life: A User's Manual last week! I read ebooks nearly exclusively, so I've been trying to branch out by reading books that either can't be...

    What a weird coincidence. I literally bought a copy of Life: A User's Manual last week!

    I read ebooks nearly exclusively, so I've been trying to branch out by reading books that either can't be read as ebooks or are simply better as physical books.

    I spent some time digging around the internet for recommendations for titles that aren't House of Leaves because, yeah, I ALREADY KNOW (great book though).

    This title popped up somewhere, it sounded interesting, and I bought it on a lark.

    Then it arrived and I realized it's HUGE -- classic case of not realizing the actual size of something you order until it gets there.

    Anyway, if I had to vote I would give an entirely selfish one for Life, if only because it would be great for you to read it before me and let me know if it's worth the significant investment I now realize it requires. XD

    5 votes
  10. Comment on Timasomo 2025: Week 2 Updates in ~creative.timasomo

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    I know I've said this before, but it's worth repeating: I love how much you document your process for us! It's so cool to be able to follow along. Also I'm infuriated on your behalf about the need...

    I know I've said this before, but it's worth repeating: I love how much you document your process for us! It's so cool to be able to follow along.

    Also I'm infuriated on your behalf about the need for those 2mm shims.

    2 votes
  11. Comment on Save Point: A game deal roundup for the week of October 12 in ~games

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    I hope this isn’t too forward of me, but I think it says a lot about your character that, even when in a difficult personal spot, you still decide to go out of your way to be kind and generous to...

    I hope this isn’t too forward of me, but I think it says a lot about your character that, even when in a difficult personal spot, you still decide to go out of your way to be kind and generous to others.

    That’s powerful, and genuinely inspiring.

    No game for me (I already have too many!) — just know that I think you’re awesome, phoenix, and I’m happy you’re back!

    12 votes
  12. Comment on Timasomo 2025: Week 2 Updates in ~creative.timasomo

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    Pinging all Timasomo participants/conversationalists: here’s the new topic for the week. (I’m a day late on this one. Sorry y’all!) Notification List @ali @Amarok @aphoenix @Areldyb @arqalite...
    16 votes
  13. Timasomo 2025: Week 2 Updates

    Update us on your progress so far! What did/didn't you get done this week? Anything go according to plan? Anything go off the rails? Any successes or struggles to share? Do you need feedback or...

    Update us on your progress so far!

    • What did/didn't you get done this week?

    • Anything go according to plan?

    • Anything go off the rails?

    • Any successes or struggles to share?

    • Do you need feedback or help on anything?

    This is your topic to share anything and everything you want about what you’ve made so far.

    19 votes
  14. Comment on I've changed my username (again)! 0d_billie => h3x in ~talk

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    Hiya h3x! Did you consider a square grid-based username or were you fully committed to bestagons?

    Hiya h3x!

    Did you consider a square grid-based username or were you fully committed to bestagons?

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  15. Comment on What ridiculous thing would you spend billions on? in ~talk

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    No apologies needed. This is the correct use of the money.

    (sorry folks, you're getting FemShep with a Shakarian romance)

    No apologies needed. This is the correct use of the money.

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  16. Comment on Tildes Book Club - The Poisoners Handbook by Deborah Blum - How is it going? in ~books

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    Update: Got the book! I have two days and six hours left on my current read, and then I’ll start on it.

    Update: Got the book!

    I have two days and six hours left on my current read, and then I’ll start on it.

    3 votes
  17. Queer temperature check: how is everyone doing right now?

    I think we all know how things are at large, but I wanted to check in with people individually. How are you doing right now? This topic is a safe space to share fears, anxieties, and frustrations....

    I think we all know how things are at large, but I wanted to check in with people individually.

    How are you doing right now?

    This topic is a safe space to share fears, anxieties, and frustrations. If you need to vent, or rage against something, or wallow, or let it all out, you can do so here. It’s okay to feel what you’re feeling. I’m certain you’re not alone in that.

    This is also a safe space to share successes, hopes, and progress. Just as it’s okay to dwell on the bad stuff, it’s also okay to highlight any positives. It’s little bright spots like those that help us see more than just darkness, after all. I’m sure other people could use some good news.

    60 votes
  18. Comment on Weekly US politics news and updates thread - week of October 13 in ~society

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    Supreme Court rejects Alex Jones' appeal of $1.4 billion defamation judgment in Sandy Hook case

    Supreme Court rejects Alex Jones' appeal of $1.4 billion defamation judgment in Sandy Hook case

    The Supreme Court on Monday turned away an appeal by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones over a $1.4 billion defamation judgment against him for his false claims that the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a hoax.

    In rejecting Jones' case, the Supreme Court leaves in place the record-breaking sum he was ordered to pay after he was found liable in 2021 for damages in lawsuits brought by the families of children who were killed in the massacre.

    14 votes
  19. Comment on At the end of our ropes in ~health.mental

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    That actually came from one of my students, many years ago. It has stuck with me ever since. She phrased it as: "People keep telling me I need to do something, but if there's no gas in a car, it's...

    That actually came from one of my students, many years ago. It has stuck with me ever since.

    She phrased it as: "People keep telling me I need to do something, but if there's no gas in a car, it's not going to move no matter what. There's no gas in my tank."

    Genuinely broke my heart. Depression is tough (and I say that as someone with it myself).

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  20. Comment on At the end of our ropes in ~health.mental

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    Teacher here. Other Possibilities Other people here have thoroughly covered the ADHD aspect (and they're right), so I want to add some other possibilites. Difficulties with executive functioning...
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    Teacher here.


    Other Possibilities

    Other people here have thoroughly covered the ADHD aspect (and they're right), so I want to add some other possibilites.

    Difficulties with executive functioning can also be symptomatic of autism, depression, and anxiety (among others).

    Students with autism can have trouble working on non-preferred tasks, and can struggle to manage the various demands of having lots of different tasks allotted to them (e.g. homework, chores, hygiene, etc.).

    Depression can manifest as executive dysfunction in that the student is aware of what they need to do but they are unable to bring themselves to do it. I think of it like a car. I can sit in the driver's seat, and know where I need to go, but if there's no gas in the tank, it's simply not going to happen. Depression can rob kids of "the gas in their tanks."

    Anxiety, meanwhile, can inhibit task completion for a number of different reasons. A student who is anxious about potential failure might realize that they can control the situation by refusing to do something. In this way, they deliberately induce the failure, and it's reflective of their refusal to do a task rather than their inability to do a task. Contrastingly, someone with anxiety might get overwhelmed by the demands put on them which compromises their ability to act. They want to act, in fact, they would like nothing more than to be able to do that, but the anxiety effectively paralyzes them into inaction.

    These are not the only potential outcomes under those different umbrellas, and those are not the only umbrellas under which executive dysfunction lives. I mention them though to expand the possibility base for what your child is experiencing. It's also possible that it's none of these things and is just a unique, individual struggle for him in particular. Labeling the problem can be helpful psychologically and in terms of accessing treatment, but it's less important that you identify "what" is "causing" his behavior and more important that you help him through this challenge.


    Helping Him

    I'll start off with the idea that it can be difficult to do this as a parent. Not only does it require a lot of effort and patience and frustration on your part, but also kids his age frequently mask or hide their true feelings. Sometimes this is done out of a functional desire to get what they want; other times it's a product of shame.

    It's very possible that he's aware of his own limitations, especially if he compares himself to his peers, and that's a blow to his self-esteem. Few people like to share their deepest insecurities with others -- especially not teenage boys, and especially not with their parents. Parental attention to a source of shame can often be a force multiplier on the feeling, even if it's entirely well-intended.

    I'm not a parent, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt, but I am a teacher who has, at this point in my career, worked with hundreds of students with executive functioning difficulties, so I do have a good amount of experience in this area.

    I recommend positioning yourself as his ally trying to tackle a problem together rather than anything in opposition to him. If he's already lying and hiding things, then he might already feel that you're an obstacle to what he wants rather than a support system for him.

    What this means is lots of messaging about supporting him and trying out different solutions. It's not enough to just say something once -- he needs to consistently know that you're rooting for him and there to help him. Lead with love and patience -- even when it's hard.


    Strategies

    Up to this point, a lot of this topic has been theoretical and living in the abstract realm. You might be wondering: what can I do right now to help?

    Here are a bunch of different things in my toolbox that I use to help kids with executive dysfunction. No single one is a guarantee, and not every one works with every child. Many kids end up using a combination of these. Consider the following a non-exhaustive menu of things to try, with the goal always to be finding what works for your son specifically.

    • Noise: Some students work better with background noise. Use some good headphones and have him try out working with background music. For some, music will become its own distraction, so for them I recommend soundscapes. soundescape.io is a great background noise site that lets you construct your own soundscape using different sources.

    • Standing Desk: Some students work better at a standing desk, as it allows them to be more active, swaying or shifting their weight or whatnot.

    • Designated Workspace: Some students do well having a designated workspace in the home. This could be a standing desk like above, or a comfy alcove with plush pillows, or a corner desk, etc. I recommend trying to make it a single-use space if at all possible -- the "get things done" space. They go there to work and then leave to relax or do other things. No TV screens, they don't bring their phone, etc. Given that most students use Chromebooks for a lot of assignments, I recommend making it in a public area in the home, rather than in an isolated space like in their bedroom. Access to a screen and the internet is the number one distractor that inhibits kids’ productivity, so a monitored space can help head off that distraction.

    • Fidgets: Some students do better with their hands in motion. If you're worried about the noise that comes from a fidget, there are plenty of silent ones available.

    • Sensory Supports: Some students like to run their fingers along different textures. You can find textured stickers or velcro. A lot of my students like putting them on their Chromebooks so they can feel them while working on assignments. There are also things like sensory putty/clay that some students like to manipulate while thinking.

    • Visual Timers: thevisualtimer.com is an easy, dead-simple site that gives students a visual for how much time they have left on a task. The remaining time is represented by color which slowly wanes. This can help students that have "time blindness." They also make physical ones as well.

    • Visual Tracking: A whiteboard or designated notepad can be a way of laying out different tasks. Seeing these visually can help students manage what they need to do so everything isn't swimming around in their heads all at once. Furthermore, if it's got a longer focus, it can be used to help celebrate completion over time ("look at how much you got done this week!").

    • Alternate Outputs: Some students hate sitting and filling out a worksheet, but if you ask them the questions on it out loud, they will answer them. Some students hate reading on their own but would read a story out loud to you if you asked. Finding ways to complete "boring" tasks in more interesting or innovative ways might spark interest for your son. Get creative!

    • Body Doubling: This is also called "co-working." Kids with executive dysfunction effectively have a brain that isn't regulating itself as they/we want. The mere presence of an adult can help shift that brain into a different regulatory mode. "Body doubling" is the act of simply sitting with your child while they work -- not to directly intervene or spy on them or anything -- but to be a presence that helps their brain regulate itself better. I often use this with my students by sitting down next to them and working on my own work. My mere proximity helps them better stay on track.

    • Incentives: My brain likes when something gets crossed off of a checklist. I get a sense of satisfaction from it. It helps me do things I don't want to do, because the act of completing something still feels good to me. Many students, particularly those with ADHD, do not feel this. Crossing items off a checklist is entirely meaningless. Creating incentives for them to work towards is a way of externally manufacturing that feeling for them.

    • Chunking: This is a teacher term for breaking things down into smaller tasks. If writing an entire essay is daunting to a student, we might just give them a chunk instead: "let's just write the introduction right now." It's the "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time" strategy of executive functioning. Many students don't have the skills to do this themselves, so assisting them in chunking things gives them access points to more challenging tasks.

    • Prioritizing: Students with executive dysfunction also have problems prioritizing tasks. The test that's tomorrow doesn't register as more important than the quiz a week from now (or, it does, but their anxiety inhibits this; or, it does, but they're more interested in the content on the quiz than on the test, etc.). Helping them prioritize can help clear the fog of demands and make things more accessible to them.

    • Time Management: Likewise, time management is a struggle. I mentioned visual timers above, but the timer itself isn't necessarily a great intervention on its own. When I use it, I have students estimate how long a task should take them, and help guide them when they're way off (either far too long or far too short). My goal is to help them learn over time how long they should be spending on given tasks, and also to overcome some of their own cognitive distortions (a hated 5 minute task might "feel" like a 50 minute task in the kid's mind).

    • Competition: Some students get really engaged when there's a competitive element to something. Have them race the clock. Have them race you on another task. Have them race their own best time or best performance on something. Keep a scoreboard.

    • Medication: Medication seems to wear one of two hats. Some people think it is the ONLY solution. Others seem to resist it entirely, thinking that if their student simply "worked harder" then they wouldn't need it. I'm of the mind that we don't tell students who can't see to simply "squint harder" -- we get them glasses. Medication can, for some students, be the "glasses" that they need to be able to function. It shouldn't be seen as the only fix (that is, in place of some of the other strategies mentioned here), but it shouldn't be avoided entirely either -- especially if the student has demonstrated long-standing issues with functioning that haven't resolved by other means.


    Closing

    These are not the only interventions you can try, but they're ones that I either use or see commonly in my role as a teacher.

    Also, I do NOT recommend trying them all out at once. Better to piecemeal them over time so that you and your son can get a feel for whether or not a particular one is helping him.

    I'll also add that most students will initially be put off by a lot of these. It can take lots of encouragement and coaxing to even get them to try it, much less stick with it for a few times.

    I constantly have the conversation of "we can't know if it doesn't work until we try it out" because many of them pre-emptively and pessimistically assume that it won't help them. If something doesn't work, I don't get disappointed or mad. I simply say "well, now we know -- let's try something else!" I always try to approach my role with them as one of discovery and working towards a goal, rather than as a warden or taskmaster who's mandating that they, for example, MUST use the visual timer OR ELSE.

    Also, many of them might feel embarrassed by these initially, so make sure your home is a safe and warm place when it comes to these potential interventions. Some of these are ones that I, as a teacher, recommend for home rather than at school because students don't want to single themselves out from their peers.

    I wish you and your family the best of luck as you pursue solutions. This is a tough thing to tackle. Again, I'm not a parent, but it's something I deal with every single day I'm at work, so I know how challenging it can be. I want to honor your feelings and frustrations about this, because I feel those things too.

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