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  1. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? (Anime/Manga) in ~anime

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    I started on Suite Precure for my magical girl fix due to its musical theme. While the theme itself is rudimentary (as expected for a kids' show), the main characters are fun to watch and the...

    I started on Suite Precure for my magical girl fix due to its musical theme. While the theme itself is rudimentary (as expected for a kids' show), the main characters are fun to watch and the villains are entertainingly hammy.

  2. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? (Anime/Manga) in ~anime

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    I binged all of the Kuragehime (Princess Jellyfish) anime last night, was a quick and fun one but ended far too early in some aspects like relationships. The various western movie references in...

    I binged all of the Kuragehime (Princess Jellyfish) anime last night, was a quick and fun one but ended far too early in some aspects like relationships. The various western movie references in the OP were entertaining, especially Tsukimi doing Singin' in the Rain. I know the manga is significantly longer and I guess I'll have to read it but I just don't enjoy manga as much as a medium.

    I also finished up Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans as part of an episodic group discussion, and overall it takes the crown as my favorite Gundam series away from Turn A. Many flags were raised.

  3. Comment on What are some anime/manga that are underrated and/or not so popular? in ~anime

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    Also one of my top picks but not one I shill as often. Toward the end of the series I spent about half an episode openly sobbing at one event so it has my endorsement!

    Also one of my top picks but not one I shill as often. Toward the end of the series I spent about half an episode openly sobbing at one event so it has my endorsement!

    2 votes
  4. Comment on What are some anime/manga that are underrated and/or not so popular? in ~anime

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    Cross Game — A slice-of-sports journey through love, life, and grief, pursuing a dream of the biggest stage in high school baseball. Usually highly regarded but not that popular. ACCA 13 — A...
    • Cross Game — A slice-of-sports journey through love, life, and grief, pursuing a dream of the biggest stage in high school baseball. Usually highly regarded but not that popular.

    • ACCA 13 — A political intrigue show following a reserved government inspector, was generally overlooked when it aired a couple years ago (outside of its opening theme).

    4 votes
  5. Comment on What anime, old or new, did you not expect to enjoy, but now highly recommend? in ~anime

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    Probably the Gundam franchise as a whole. I'm still not a fan of action shows as a whole, mecha didn't really appeal to me, but it ended up drawing me in with the One Year War and the different...

    Probably the Gundam franchise as a whole. I'm still not a fan of action shows as a whole, mecha didn't really appeal to me, but it ended up drawing me in with the One Year War and the different viewpoints it ended up touching on through different series.

    1 vote
  6. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? (Anime/Manga) in ~anime

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    My general romance recommendation list, very opinionated and roughly ordered by how much I like them: Spice and Wolf — A traveling merchant in a medieval land is joined by an ancient wolf spirit...

    My general romance recommendation list, very opinionated and roughly ordered by how much I like them:

    • Spice and Wolf — A traveling merchant in a medieval land is joined by an ancient wolf spirit and they roam together.

    • Crest of the Stars — A noble in training joins an aspiring spacecraft pilot in the military on the way to the imperial capital until they get swept up in a war.

    • Cross Game — A slice-of-sports journey through love and life, pursuing a dream of the biggest stage in high school baseball.

    • Princess Tutu — A story about fairy tales and a duck who dreamed she was a girl.

    • Honey and Clover — A group of students at an art college try to figure out their lives going forward.

    • Planetes — A glimpse at the near future of space travel as humanity attempts to reach farther into the cosmos.

    • NANA — Sex, drugs, and rock and roll: the story of two women that become friends after a chance encounter.

    • Bloom Into You — An introspective study on what the concept of romance and relationships mean to different people.

    • Wandering Son (Hourou Musuko) — A pair of kids struggle with gender identity while under pressure from others.

    • White Album 2 — A trio of flawed high schoolers form an unexpected band for a school festival amid high emotions and drama.

    • Asagao to Kase-san — A track star and a girl into gardening face challenges while dating in high school.

    • Aoi Hana — Childhood friends are reconnected years later as they enter separate nearby high schools.

    • I Can't Understand What My Husband is Saying — Short comedic series about a married couple where the guy's an otaku while his wife is the one supporting them with a job.

    • Otona Joshi no Anime Time — Four short stories about adult women in different stages of life.

    • Tsuki ga Kirei — Two awkward teenagers slowly begin exploring their first relationship together.

    • Tsurezure Children — Brief scenes of multiples couples being cute a few minutes at a time.

    • Honobono Log — Brief scenes from the lives of (usually) couples. Each episode is only a couple of minutes long, so it's short and sweet.

    • Snow White with the Red Hair (Akagami no Shirayuki-hime) — Independent girl in a medieval land finds her prince and decides to work her way up to him.

    • Nodame Cantabile — College students studying classical music, mostly comedic but has its serious moments.

    • Nagi no Asukara — Four childhood friends living in an underwater village try to integrate with a school on the surface.

    • Eureka Seven — A boy joins a band of outlaws doing odd jobs in a world with an alien environment.

    • Rose of Versailles — Set in the French royal court in the period leading up to the French Revolution.

    • The Night is Short, Walk on Girl — A one-night romp with interweaving adventures through life in a unique visual style. Shared supporting characters with The Tatami Galaxy.

    • Hotarubi no Mori e — A sweet film about a first love between two people whose paths should have never crossed.

    • Kuzu no Honkai — An exploration of various kinds of one-sided relationships where everyone is miserable and horny.

    • Wotakoi (Love is Hard for Otaku) — A geeky pair of former childhood friends are reunited in the workplace.

    • Mysterious Girlfriend X — An odd but sweet story about a couple that share a special bond.

    • Paradise Kiss — A high-school girl joins some strange characters as she gets swept up in the world of fashion.

    • Koi Kaze — A thoughtful take on the uncomfortable taboo of love between siblings.

    • Emma: A Victorian Romance — A maid and a member of the gentry meet in Victorian London.

    • Aura: Maryuuin Kouga Saigo no Tatakai — A high school girl with fantastical delusions is brought back to reality by a boy with former experience in the same.

    • High Score Girl — An arcade gamer growing up in the early 90s finds that the only rival that can beat him is a silent girl at his school.

    • Rec — Young adults trying to find their way in the world, one of them as a voice actress.

    • His and Her Circumstances (Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou/KareKano) — A classic high school romance that spends a lot of time exploring the characters' insecurities and moving forward together.

    • Just Because — In the final semester of high school, a boy moves back and rejoins old friends.

    • Soredemo Sekai wa Utsukushii — A girl with the power to control the wind and rain is married off to a young king with a cruel reputation.

    • Lovely★Complex — High school romantic comedy where a tall girl and a short guy find issues with their heights and like to bicker at each other.

    • Kemonozume — An action series with a unique style that pits a couple against an organization of monster-hunters.

    • Zutto Mae kara Suki deshita + Suki ni Naru Sono Shunkan wo + Itsudatte Bokura no Koi wa 10 cm Datta — Two movies and a show that are mostly several high schoolers worrying about their crushes.

    • Kimi ni Todoke — A sweet, innocent high school girl gains friends and eventually a love interest.

    • Amagami SS — Mixed mood high school romances. Instead of a harem, this one has an omnibus format where every girl gets her own happy ending every few episodes.

    • Someday's Dreamers II: Summer Skies — A girl goes to a school in Tokyo to learn to become a mage and help society.

    • Tasogare Otome x Amnesia — A school club for the paranormal is haunted by the ghost of a girl.

    • Tokyo Marble Chocolate — A two-part OVA about a couple that are both unlucky in love, told from each of their perspectives.

    • Boys Over Flowers (Hana Yori Dango) — A poor but strong-willed girl attracts the attention of two of the most popular, powerful, and rich guys at school.

    • Kokoro Connect — Five teens in a school club find themselves abruptly swapping bodies.

    • Kiznaiver — A group of teenagers are linked together mentally in a forced experiment.

    • Nijiiro Days — Multi-perspective slice of high school life with a number of potential couples and one already dating at the start of the series.

    • Ao Haru Ride — A girl is reconnected in high school with a boy she had known years earlier.

    • Koitabi: True Tours Nanto — Very short trio of separate romances that get straight to the point.

    • Momokuri — A couple of very cute and easily flustered teenagers start dating in a light and fluffy slice of life.

    • ef: A Tale of Memories. — Interweaving tales of developing relationships as quirky characters pursue their own goals.

    • ReLIFE — An unemployed man gets a second chance at a high school life.

    • Shuumatsu Nani Shitemasu ka? Isogashii desu ka? Sukutte Moratte Ii desu ka? — A lost relic of a human joins a group of fairies being trained as weapons to defend the world from beasts.

    • Orange — A girl receives a letter supposedly from herself about the new transfer student she hasn't met yet.

    • Kyoukai no Kanata — Mixed action/romance with a blend of high school life and fantasy.

    • Video Girl Ai — Teenage boy summons a girl through a video cassette. Odd premise but there's some solid relationship building.

    • Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora — Two teenagers confined to a hospital start spending time together.

    • Natsuyuki Rendezvous — Adults working in a flower shop, dealing with a loss and moving on afterward. Has a supernatural/fairy tale aspect as well.

    • Ore Monogatari!! — Very light, sweet series about a giant guy that falls in love with a small, cute girl.

    • Say "I Love You" (Sukitte Ii na yo) — An unsociable girl gets the attention of one of the most popular guys at school and form a bond after an encounter.

    • Vision of Escaflowne — A high school girl gets whisked away to a fantasy land with mecha and warring kingdoms.

    • Sakura Trick — Cute girls kissing. No, really, that's most of the series. Mostly lighthearted slice of life in high school with a good amount of yuri.

    • Fukumenkei Noise — A girl joins a band in pursuit of a childhood friend she lost contact with.

    • Pet Girl of Sakurasou (Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo) — Guy moves into dorm of misfits and they band together.

    • Plastic Memories — A guy partners up with a robotic girl to help retrieve other robots at the end of their lives.

    • Kimi ga Nozomu Eien — Tragedy strikes in high school, young adults deal with the fallout years later.

    • Ano Natsu de Matteru — High school summer slice of life and making a movie, contains a giant love polygon.

    • Mashiro-iro Symphony: The Color of Lovers — Guy ends up in what had formerly been an all-girls school and tries to keep everyone happy.

    • Lamune — Alternates between flashbacks showing a pair of childhood friends as kids and their life in the present.

    • Kimi no Iru Machi — Teen boy chases after his first love from the countryside to Tokyo.

    • True Tears — School drama with a number of conflicting crushes between characters.

    • Koi to Uso — In a society where everyone's assigned their spouse, one boy confesses to his crush.

    • Tada Never Falls in Love (Tada-kun wa Koi wo Shinai) — An elegant foreign transfer student joins the school photography club.

    • Fuuka — A boy has a run-in with an energetic girl who wants to start a band at their school.

    • She, the Ultimate Weapon (Saishuu Heiki Kanojo/SaiKano) — A clumsy, shy high school girl is turned into a military experiment just as she begins dating a boy.

    • Maoyuu Maou Yuusha — The Hero arrives to fight the Demon Lord... and then they start working together.

    • My Little Monster (Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun) — A cold, studious girl runs into a violent troublemaker that immediately wants to befriend her.

    • Kaichou wa Maid-sama! — A hardworking model student's secret job at a maid cafe is discovered by the only guy at school that can best her.

    • Myself; Yourself — A teen boy returns to his childhood home and friends after leaving for years.

    • Ayashi no Ceres — A girl is hunted for being the chosen descendant of a celestial being. Lots of action with supernatural powers.

    • Citrus — Step-sisters with radically different personalities find a strange attraction to each other.

    Less of a focus on romance:

    7 votes
  7. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? (Anime/Manga) in ~anime

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    I'm in the midst of rewatching Crest of the Stars, one of the anime that got me into the whole thing more than 15 years ago. The last time I saw it was just before I really dove into anime again a...

    I'm in the midst of rewatching Crest of the Stars, one of the anime that got me into the whole thing more than 15 years ago. The last time I saw it was just before I really dove into anime again a few years back, so now I'm coming at it again with the extra context of a few hundred other shows for comparison. It's impossible to separate my nostalgia when it comes to how I feel about it, but I have a more seasoned eye when it comes to picking out aspects of production and direction so it's interesting to look at from that perspective.

  8. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? (Anime/Manga) in ~anime

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    I finished Golden Time recently and it had a lot of similar positive parts around character relationships, but the central focus of the main character's whole arc just bothered me on some level. I...

    I finished Golden Time recently and it had a lot of similar positive parts around character relationships, but the central focus of the main character's whole arc just bothered me on some level.

    I have a few dozen recommendations for romance anime overall, could try to cut that down or just dump the entire thing depending on what you're looking for.

    1 vote
  9. Comment on When did you first start watching anime? in ~anime

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    I was in the Dragon Ball Z/Sailor Moon group in the mid-late 90s as well, but what really drew me in was TechTV's Anime Unleashed block. The only two I remember seeing from there are Crest of the...

    I was in the Dragon Ball Z/Sailor Moon group in the mid-late 90s as well, but what really drew me in was TechTV's Anime Unleashed block. The only two I remember seeing from there are Crest of the Stars and Serial Experiments Lain, but for me they opened up anime as a medium that can be a lot deeper and more complex than afternoon cartoons.

    1 vote
  10. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? (Anime/Manga) in ~anime

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    It's something that the characters themselves have no control over, it just happens. Usually at the points that will cause a high amount of drama. Ami knows full well what she does through the...

    It's something that the characters themselves have no control over, it just happens. Usually at the points that will cause a high amount of drama. Ami knows full well what she does through the course of the shows and deliberately prods at the other characters to motivate them.

  11. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? (Anime/Manga) in ~anime

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    Golden Time — includes spoilers There are parts of it that I really liked around the character relationships, but the core focus of Banri having amnesia was frustrating more often than not. I...

    Golden Time — includes spoilers

    There are parts of it that I really liked around the character relationships, but the core focus of Banri having amnesia was frustrating more often than not. I would have much rather focused on Kouko's insecurities and the group dynamics along with Banri moving on from his amnesia which I know was the point of Ghost Banri and all but not handled well from my viewpoint.

    I also knew going in that there was a character named Nana that was a reference to the punk rock girl by the same name, but I expected her to basically be a cameo rather than have the role she did. Not that I'm objecting to it, I loved both NANA and the analogue in this show.

    For other characters, I most liked how Linda was developed outside of the late-game triangle between her, Yana, and Oka which really deserved more attention since I was enjoying that in parallel to Kouko/Tada. I'm amused by the tea club girls; while I wouldn't have been interested in what they were doing at all when I was in college they seem a lot of fun in retrospect.

    And now for the obligatory comparisons to Toradora since they're from the same author.

    One reason I can immediately point at for enjoying Toradora significantly more is that Banri's amnesia is basically a supernatural cause of drama that's external to the group while Toradora's is entirely driven by the characters themselves. And that's sad because I like the college setting more as a general premise and Kouko, for all her flaws, was a more interesting female lead to me than Taiga at the start of both series.

    I didn't mind the smaller similarities in tropes and themes that I picked up on since they're all aspects that I enjoyed in both, including the music being from the same composer. The characters are all distinct enough that I couldn't point at any two from both shows and call them the same archetype with minor differences, which is more than I can say for a lot of anime that are completely unrelated.

    Overall it had amazing potential for me, but faltered by handling a central theme in an aggravating way.


    Mobile Suit Gundam Narrative — includes spoilers for that and other Universal Century Gundam anime (0079/Zeta/ZZ/CCA/Unicorn)

    I never had a strong opinion about Newtypes in Universal Century entries, I mostly accepted it as some odd space telepathy with occasional extra unexplainable powers while focusing on the politics and mecha. I get that the general Newtype concept is about the evolution of humanity to a more sympathetic and understanding place, but that's not the part that I'm concerned about here.

    Unicorn, however, pushed power creep to a new level following the miracle that was the Axis Shock event in CCA. And now Narrative focuses entirely on that part of the franchise, leaning heavily on the post-corporeal aspect in particular along with making the battles more super robot than ever before. And I'm not really a fan of that.

    The villain was sloppily written with some justification as a Cyber Newtype which I wish had more of a parallel with the main trio's story. Using a rehash of the Sinanju and Neo Zeong from Unicorn was just lazy though.

    I did like how they weaved in aspects of the earlier UC entries, from the Sydney colony drop (which was something to see in a theater) to Zeta/ZZ's Cyber Newtypes and the one old pilot drawing comparisons to personally seeing the Axis Shock. Too bad Mineva and Banana only had a minor amount of screen time but at least his custom Silver Bullet was cool.

    Overall I'm still not sure what I'm going to rate it. I love the continuity (not a movie you could walk into unprepared and I'm fine with that) and it was an entertaining watch overall but with the Newtype focus it's not something I'm particularly invested in.

    With one odd happening the end of Unicorn explained here as time manipulation, I have to wonder if they're planting the seed for a timeline split so they can fully disown the Late UC part of it instead of trying to force plotlines to conform to them as an end goal. I know they've been pushing the "UC NexT 100" thing with promo visuals including F91 and Victory but for as much as I enjoy F91 (and hate Victory) it's going to be difficult to reconcile Unicorn and Narrative with those. An alternative look that someone pointed out but I failed to notice in the theater was that the Phenix is undoing what Unicorn did along those lines by using the time manipulation to remove the psychoframe from the Narrative and Neo Zeong, essentially resetting the power level from where it had been.

    All that said, I'm still looking forward to Hathaway's Flash next year.

    1 vote
  12. Comment on Sword Art Online: Alicization announced to be 4 cour in ~anime

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    I'm watching through the second season now as part of a group discussion. Probably won't stick around for Alicization since I'm just not a fan of the writing, even if the concept is something I'm...

    I'm watching through the second season now as part of a group discussion. Probably won't stick around for Alicization since I'm just not a fan of the writing, even if the concept is something I'm into.

  13. Comment on Sword Art Online: Alicization announced to be 4 cour in ~anime

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    You're up to date (assuming by movie you mean Ordinal Scale), this new season starts airing in October.

    You're up to date (assuming by movie you mean Ordinal Scale), this new season starts airing in October.

  14. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? in ~anime

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    I know people are excited for Alicization but if I was watching this on my own instead of with a group I would have dropped the show an episode or two into Fairy Dance/Alfheim. The villain is...

    I know people are excited for Alicization but if I was watching this on my own instead of with a group I would have dropped the show an episode or two into Fairy Dance/Alfheim. The villain is cartoonishly evil and the focus on Suguha isn't much better writing-wise.

  15. Comment on What have you been watching/reading this week? in ~anime

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    I've been watching Sword Art Online for the first time as part of a group discussion, wrapping up the Aincrad arc today (start of the series). I like the overall idea but way too many little...

    I've been watching Sword Art Online for the first time as part of a group discussion, wrapping up the Aincrad arc today (start of the series). I like the overall idea but way too many little things I dislike about the execution compared to other "stuck in an MMO" anime that I've seen (Log Horizon, Overlord).

    Slowly going through Sailor Moon, in the middle of S (third season). Haruka and Michiru are great, though I'm tired of the monster of the week formula.

    Also about halfway through Princess Tutu and it's fantastic so far. Creative use of animation as a medium combined with an interesting metanarrative and excellent classical music.

    3 votes
  16. Comment on Recommend a show based on a person's Anime List in ~anime

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    MAL or Anilist depending on your preference. I'm in deep so it's rare to come across something I haven't heard of that I think I'd enjoy at a glance but I'm always curious to see what other people...

    MAL or Anilist depending on your preference. I'm in deep so it's rare to come across something I haven't heard of that I think I'd enjoy at a glance but I'm always curious to see what other people can come up with.

  17. Comment on What is your favorite anime, and why? in ~anime

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    Spice and Wolf remains my favorite for a few reasons: The dialogue and banter between Holo and Lawrence is fantastic. There's tension and drama that's not purely action focused and (usually) not...

    Spice and Wolf remains my favorite for a few reasons:

    • The dialogue and banter between Holo and Lawrence is fantastic.

    • There's tension and drama that's not purely action focused and (usually) not driven by a misunderstanding between the characters, giving it an "us against the world" aspect that I love to see with a romance series.

    • The series has a bittersweet undertone to it, encapsulated by a wariness of the future in the relatively somber OPs and a melancholic acceptance of how their relationship will inevitably end.

    Most of my other favorite anime also have a bittersweet feeling to them, including Honey and Clover and Cross Game.

    5 votes
  18. Comment on What is your favorite anime, and why? in ~anime

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    The original series is a bunch of light novels, so far the first seven have been released and are available on Kindle as well as hardcover. The anime (minus the three extra episodes) covers...

    The original series is a bunch of light novels, so far the first seven have been released and are available on Kindle as well as hardcover. The anime (minus the three extra episodes) covers roughly the first four volumes though the fourth is greatly cut to fit in.

    2 votes
  19. Comment on RoboTech: greatest robot anime or are there others? in ~anime

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    Feels like a comment right out of the mid-90s. Robotech itself is a weird amalgamation of multiple different anime, the first Macross series being one of them. I could just steal from this giant...

    Feels like a comment right out of the mid-90s. Robotech itself is a weird amalgamation of multiple different anime, the first Macross series being one of them.

    I could just steal from this giant mecha recommendation thread on /r/anime but will only pull a few from there that I personally enjoyed:

    • The Vision of Escaflowne — a fantasy giant robot series that has them sword-fighting and wearing cool capes.
    • Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket — a side story to the original Gundam series but stands by itself; a civilian boy in a neutral colony befriends a mecha pilot.
    • Macross Plus — a short OVA about two competing pilots of prototype mecha. Also has some fantastic music and a lot of the same crew that later worked on Cowboy Bebop.
    4 votes
  20. Comment on What game(s) had the best, or your favourite, leveling system? in ~games

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    About 15-20 years ago I was really into a multiplayer text-based RPG called DragonRealms which has one of the more complex experience systems I'm aware of. I still miss it from time to time for...

    About 15-20 years ago I was really into a multiplayer text-based RPG called DragonRealms which has one of the more complex experience systems I'm aware of. I still miss it from time to time for its flexibility in making your character what you want them to be. It's a little similar to Asheron's Call (which I also liked) but wasn't based on skills alone.

    Characters had classes (e.g. Paladin, Barbarian, Thief, Cleric), ability stats (e.g. strength, intelligence, wisdom), and then skills.

    Skills range from a variety of weapon types like light and heavy crossbows (two separate skills), edged weapons split by weight category (light/medium/heavy/two-handed), to survival skills like swimming, foraging, first aid, and stealth, to lore skills including teaching, alchemy, and music, to set of magic skills like how much mana you have access to when casting a spell, how powerful your spell is, and how well you can aim at a target with an attack spell. You'll need a minimum number of ranks in a weapon skill to hit a specific kind of monster, or you can't shoplift an item worth a certain amount without so many ranks in thievery.

    Using a skill improved it, but in an indirect way. Each skill has a separate "pool" that gets filled up by a certain amount when do you something that uses the skill, or periodically while another player in the area is teaching you that skill. Then every minute or so the pool drains by a certain amount and that gets converted into skill ranks. The pool also has a maximum size, so trying to train the skill when your pool is already full doesn't have any effect. The intelligence stat increases how large your pool is, while wisdom increases how much it drains at a time.

    Making skill training work that way has an indirect effect of making it viable to go out of a city, fill up the experience pools for a bunch of combat skills, then come back to the city to socialize and train non-combat skills while the pools for combat skills drain. You aren't missing out on combat experience once your pools for those are completely filled.

    While there are certain skills that are restricted to specific classes (e.g. backstabbing is a thief-only skill) and each class is better or worse at training sets of skills, the majority of skills can be learned by any class which leads to a huge variance from one character to another. One mage can wield a two-handed axe and wear plate armor while another might wear leather armor and rely on no weapons but their magic. A thief could be good at playing stringed instruments and a cleric could be good at stealing.

    Gaining levels in a class in turn relies on gaining a specific number of ranks in certain skills, or certain sets of skills. A thief might have to have 60 total ranks of stealth, 60 in thievery, and 30 ranks each in two different weapons of any kind to get to their next thief level. Both gaining class levels and ranks in skills provide a way to increase their stats, though, so a well-rounded character will likely be training a wider variety of skills than they're required for gaining levels alone.

    More info on experience and skills on the game's wiki, which is still running more than 20 years after it started.

    1 vote