I don't think applying a default tag is the right approach here... but I definitely think being able to search for and/or browse topics without tags would be pretty useful. Perhaps leaving ?tag=...
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I don't think applying a default tag is the right approach here... but I definitely think being able to search for and/or browse topics without tags would be pretty useful. Perhaps leaving ?tag= blank should return all tag-less topics instead of resulting in an error.
I actually listened to your submission the other day, BTW... the whole album. :) And am one of the votes on it, since I quite enjoyed it. I didn't realize it lacked tags though or I would have applied some... which I have done now.
p.s. When I am unsure of what to tag a song/album, I usually just check rateyourmusic, wikipedia or even just google "<artist/band/album/song name>" genre.
Maybe a better search option would be searching for items that only contain the tags you have entered. So you could search for "only(foo)" to return posts that contain foo and nothing else. This...
Maybe a better search option would be searching for items that only contain the tags you have entered. So you could search for "only(foo)" to return posts that contain foo and nothing else. This could then be used as "only()" to return untagged posts.
I believe that leaving the tag field blank is a valid option. There are quite a few tag editors floating around Tildes and its various groups. When one of these people sees a topic with no tags...
I believe that leaving the tag field blank is a valid option. There are quite a few tag editors floating around Tildes and its various groups. When one of these people sees a topic with no tags (or insufficient tags, or inadequate tags), they can add (or edit or remove) any tags necessary. This will usually happen within a few hours.
Maybe there should be an option to add the default tag of help with tagging, so that people might contribute to submissions reach discoverability – crowdsource the tagging, if you will.
Maybe there should be an option to add the default tag of help with tagging, so that people might contribute to submissions reach discoverability – crowdsource the tagging, if you will.
One of the aspects of UX writing is effective call to action. Clarity is one of the key factors to making a call effective – that is, engaging of the user's attention and interest. Many sites use...
One of the aspects of UX writing is effective call to action. Clarity is one of the key factors to making a call effective – that is, engaging of the user's attention and interest.
Many sites use "Learn More" nowadays to invite the user to take a closer look at the feature, which is not a good approach, because the call is unclear. Imagine reading, like, six "Learn More" about six different things on one screen. Am I going to learn more about all of them, or just the one that's under?
On the other hand, something like "Find out what makes our email services stand out" makes the call clear and precise – and more importantly, it puts the idea out there that one could find out more, in the form of a link. "That means I can visit a page that would tell me about it".
Sure, you can have the blank space indicate that maybe the post needs help with tagging, but it's bland and only works if you already have people in the mindset of going about and doing the work. If you put an actual call to action there, people would be more willing to engage and contribute to the discoverability, because they've been given a clear possible agenda that they could pursue. People dislike uncertainty. Having a clear goal helps move things along.
Which scenario do you think is more likely? Scenario 1) A newcomer to Tildes leaves the tag field blank, because they don't know how Tildes works. Experienced people who've been on Tildes for long...
Which scenario do you think is more likely?
Scenario 1) A newcomer to Tildes leaves the tag field blank, because they don't know how Tildes works. Experienced people who've been on Tildes for long enough to have acquired the trusted ability to edit tags, see the blank tag field, take the initiative, and add appropriate tags.
Scenario 2) A newcomer to Tildes knows that there's a special tag they need to apply in order to request other people to tag their post. They apply this special tag. Experienced people wait for these special tags to appear before they add appropriate tags.
Personally, I'd bet on Scenario 1. In order to make Scenario 2 more likely, I see a few hurdles that need to be cleared:
How will a newcomer know about tagging?
How will a newcomer learn about the special tag that summons tag editors?
Why do experienced tag editors require a special "call to action" tag in order to make their contribution?
I'm still confused why you think a blank tag field is somehow ambiguous or uncertain for tag editors. If a topic has no tags in an environment where every other topic has tags, that's a very clear...
I'm still confused why you think a blank tag field is somehow ambiguous or uncertain for tag editors. If a topic has no tags in an environment where every other topic has tags, that's a very clear and unambiguous signal.
Also, an empty tag field is much more noticeable when scrolling through the front page than a tag field which contains a tag. Rather than reading every tag in a sea of tags, looking for the right words, one merely has to notice a blank space. (Before you say that my example proves your point, because noone has tagged that topic in the day since it was posted, I would suggest that this is because noone can think of what tags that article should have, rather than noone has noticed it needs tagging. This is the exception: other untagged topics get tagged much quicker than this.)
I don't think applying a default tag is the right approach here... but I definitely think being able to search for and/or browse topics without tags would be pretty useful. Perhaps leaving
?tag=blank should return all tag-less topics instead of resulting in an error.Added an issue to Gitlab for this:
https://gitlab.com/tildes/tildes/issues/409
I actually listened to your submission the other day, BTW... the whole album. :) And am one of the votes on it, since I quite enjoyed it. I didn't realize it lacked tags though or I would have applied some... which I have done now.
p.s. When I am unsure of what to tag a song/album, I usually just check rateyourmusic, wikipedia or even just google
"<artist/band/album/song name>" genre.E.g. For your submission.
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/tom-hodge = Electronic
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/tomas-dvorak = Video Game Music, Electronic, Downtempo
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/floex = Nu Jazz, Video Game Music, Ambient, Electronic, Downtempo
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/floex-tom-hodge/a-portrait-of-john-doe/ = Electronic, Orchestral, Classical Crossover
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floex = Electronica, ambient, IDM, avant-garde
Googling "A Portrait Of John Doe" genre = Dance/Electronic
p.p.s. If you are unsure about what to tag something you can always ask in the comments, too.
Maybe a better search option would be searching for items that only contain the tags you have entered. So you could search for "only(foo)" to return posts that contain foo and nothing else. This could then be used as "only()" to return untagged posts.
I believe that leaving the tag field blank is a valid option. There are quite a few tag editors floating around Tildes and its various groups. When one of these people sees a topic with no tags (or insufficient tags, or inadequate tags), they can add (or edit or remove) any tags necessary. This will usually happen within a few hours.
Maybe there should be an option to add the default tag of
help with tagging, so that people might contribute to submissions reach discoverability – crowdsource the tagging, if you will.Isn't a blank tag field effectively a call for tag editors to add tags to a topic?
Okay. Think of it this way: leaving the tag field blank is the way to indicate to other people that you'd like them to suggest tags. ;)
One of the aspects of UX writing is effective call to action. Clarity is one of the key factors to making a call effective – that is, engaging of the user's attention and interest.
Many sites use "Learn More" nowadays to invite the user to take a closer look at the feature, which is not a good approach, because the call is unclear. Imagine reading, like, six "Learn More" about six different things on one screen. Am I going to learn more about all of them, or just the one that's under?
On the other hand, something like "Find out what makes our email services stand out" makes the call clear and precise – and more importantly, it puts the idea out there that one could find out more, in the form of a link. "That means I can visit a page that would tell me about it".
Sure, you can have the blank space indicate that maybe the post needs help with tagging, but it's bland and only works if you already have people in the mindset of going about and doing the work. If you put an actual call to action there, people would be more willing to engage and contribute to the discoverability, because they've been given a clear possible agenda that they could pursue. People dislike uncertainty. Having a clear goal helps move things along.
Which scenario do you think is more likely?
Scenario 1) A newcomer to Tildes leaves the tag field blank, because they don't know how Tildes works. Experienced people who've been on Tildes for long enough to have acquired the trusted ability to edit tags, see the blank tag field, take the initiative, and add appropriate tags.
Scenario 2) A newcomer to Tildes knows that there's a special tag they need to apply in order to request other people to tag their post. They apply this special tag. Experienced people wait for these special tags to appear before they add appropriate tags.
Personally, I'd bet on Scenario 1. In order to make Scenario 2 more likely, I see a few hurdles that need to be cleared:
How will a newcomer know about tagging?
How will a newcomer learn about the special tag that summons tag editors?
Why do experienced tag editors require a special "call to action" tag in order to make their contribution?
Nope: default to "need tagging", unless the by-default toggle next to the tag field is left unchecked.
They don't. Read my reply again.
I'm still confused why you think a blank tag field is somehow ambiguous or uncertain for tag editors. If a topic has no tags in an environment where every other topic has tags, that's a very clear and unambiguous signal.
Also, an empty tag field is much more noticeable when scrolling through the front page than a tag field which contains a tag. Rather than reading every tag in a sea of tags, looking for the right words, one merely has to notice a blank space. (Before you say that my example proves your point, because noone has tagged that topic in the day since it was posted, I would suggest that this is because noone can think of what tags that article should have, rather than noone has noticed it needs tagging. This is the exception: other untagged topics get tagged much quicker than this.)
Maybe you're right. Maybe that's all there is to it.