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The Mandalorian | S01E01+E02

The Mandalorian is set after the fall of the Empire and before the emergence of the First Order. We follow the travails of a lone gunfighter in the outer reaches of the galaxy far from the authority of the New Republic.


The first two episodes of this first season have dropped. What do you think about it, so far?

20 comments

  1. [12]
    CALICO
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    I actually wasn't looking forward to this show all that much; while I've enjoyed all four of the new films—two Saga, two Anthology—they've all disappointed me in one way or another. The writing...

    I actually wasn't looking forward to this show all that much; while I've enjoyed all four of the new films—two Saga, two Anthology—they've all disappointed me in one way or another. The writing hasn't always been up to my standards, the aesthetic sometimes didn't feel right to me, etc. When I heard that there was going to be a television show, I felt pretty lukewarm about it. It would probably be enjoyable, but I'd find beef with it somewhere. So I didn't follow any of the news about it. I didn't read anything, I didn't watch the trailer, I didn't even know who all was involved with the project. I wasn't even aware it had come out until I noticed the first episode on a private tracker. I figured, "eh, what the hell", and queued it for download; let me tell you a thing or two...

    I'm absolutely blown away by what I've seen so far. The aesthetic is on point. This feels like Star Wars, to me. It's dirty. There's grit. There's enough practical effects that I believe with my eyes that this is the same universe as the original trilogy of films. I was worried that being a TV show, what CGI there would be would be lacking polish and pull me out of the experience. Other than a couple of small, specific instances, it appears that I expected too little. For the first time since I heard we were getting new Star Wars in 2012, I'm excited.

    The Mandalorian is in the Western-style of the old serials, which I wasn't expecting going in blind. The appearances of OT aliens helps to ground the experience while showing us something new along the way—which is one of my problems with the Sequel Films. The score is the only thing that felt off to me, but by episode two I was really digging it. It's got a Western vibe to it, and after acclimating to the sound during the first episode I see now that it really fits the tone they're going for.

    I'd love to go deep on the actual episode content, but my thoughts haven't fully organized themselves yet.

    I love elephant-snout flute music. I love how much garbage a lot of the tech looks. I love space toilet. I love Werner Herzog. I love Star Wars weapons based on historic firearms. I love traumatic cooking. I love that scene with the Mandalorian Armorer, both her Viking/Spartan appearance and the backstory-characterization of our hero's childhood PTSD-esque flashback. I love that our hero isn't an unstoppable badass in every situation. I love "I have spoken" Ugnaught. I love Mandalorian lore. I love IG-11, and how they move around like hybrid savant/piece of shit. I love baby Yoda. I love Jawa disintegrations. Etc etc.

    My only real beef with the show so far is its runtime; half an hour is too little. Not because it doesn't work narratively, but because I'm selfish and want more in one sitting. Especially since this is coming out weekly, and I can't binge it all on day one.

    8 votes
    1. [10]
      dubteedub
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      After watching episode two, I think there is quite a bit of Japanese samurai style as well. The scene where he is attacked by three guys while taking the baby Yoda character through the mountain...

      The Mandalorian is in the Western-style of the old serials, which I wasn't expecting going in blind.

      After watching episode two, I think there is quite a bit of Japanese samurai style as well. The scene where he is attacked by three guys while taking the baby Yoda character through the mountain pass in episode two reminded me of the Misumi movie series Lone Wolf and Cub a ton.

      https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068815/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_12

      In case you are not familiar with it, its a 70s Samurai series that follows the Shogun's decapitator after he is betrayed by his master and he basically travels the countryside pushing his baby/toddler son in a cart. There are a lot of close ups throughout the series of the child's emotionless face while he watches his father get into fights.

      It makes sense that there are connections to old-school samurai movies considering a lot of Westerns borrowed heavily from Samurai predecessors, if not took some of the best Samurai stories and rebooted them as westerns, examples being Seven Samurai became the Magnificent Seven and Yojimbo became A Fistful of Dollars.

      Overall, I am super impressed with the Mandalorian and excited to see where they take the show.

      7 votes
      1. [9]
        CALICO
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        I was aware of the intimate history between Samurai and Westerns, but I don't think I've ever sat down to watch any yet. I've read and heard quite a lot about the work of Akira Kurosowa, and I...

        I was aware of the intimate history between Samurai and Westerns, but I don't think I've ever sat down to watch any yet. I've read and heard quite a lot about the work of Akira Kurosowa, and I really ought to watch his films on of these days.

        3 votes
        1. [6]
          dubteedub
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          Kurosawa is an amazing director. I highly recommend starting with Yojimbo.

          Kurosawa is an amazing director. I highly recommend starting with Yojimbo.

          4 votes
          1. [5]
            cfabbro
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            Yojimbo is great and is often my recommendation for where to start with Kurosawa too. Either that or Seven Samurai (for obvious reasons), Hidden Fortress (for the action/adventure aspects), or...

            Yojimbo is great and is often my recommendation for where to start with Kurosawa too. Either that or Seven Samurai (for obvious reasons), Hidden Fortress (for the action/adventure aspects), or Kagemusha (for the epic battles)... but honestly, IMO you can't really go wrong with any Kurosawa. Even his Samurai-less movies are great. E.g. Dreams is my absolute favorite film of his. It's an anthology and every single scene in it is wonderfully crafted, shot and executed. The Weeping Demon scenes (terrible quality but it's the best I could find, sorry!) even still occasionally haunt my dreams...

            5 votes
            1. [4]
              dubteedub
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              I like to start with Yojimbo because its just such an easy story to follow and sets a good stage with his characterizations and style. Especially for those mostly familiar with Westerns, it will...

              I like to start with Yojimbo because its just such an easy story to follow and sets a good stage with his characterizations and style. Especially for those mostly familiar with Westerns, it will be a very familiar story for them.

              I really love Seven Samurai, but my only concern with starting folks off with it is that its just a huge time commitment at three and a half hours. I think its better to watch that after Yojimbo and Sanjuro.

              I also absolutely love Roshomon from the storytelling perspective.

              4 votes
              1. CALICO
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                I appreciate the recommendations, from the both of you. @cfabbro Just for interest, how I initially found out about Kurosawa and became curious about his work was this video by one of my...

                I appreciate the recommendations, from the both of you. @cfabbro
                Just for interest, how I initially found out about Kurosawa and became curious about his work was this video by one of my favorite—now dead—channels on youtube: Akira Kurosawa - Composing Movement | Every Frame a Painting

                2 votes
              2. cfabbro
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                Yeah, I only recommend Seven Samurai to people that I know enjoy slow paced, character-driven films. It's a masterpiece of cinema IMO, but it's definitely not for everyone.

                Yeah, I only recommend Seven Samurai to people that I know enjoy slow paced, character-driven films. It's a masterpiece of cinema IMO, but it's definitely not for everyone.

                1 vote
              3. Akir
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                Rashomon is my favorite Kurasawa film. I like how focused it is on the story it's trying to tell, and by the end it feels like you've learned a lesson in humanity.

                Rashomon is my favorite Kurasawa film. I like how focused it is on the story it's trying to tell, and by the end it feels like you've learned a lesson in humanity.

                1 vote
        2. [2]
          senko
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          There's an interesting theory that the original Star Wars film was greatly inspired by Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress, down to comic relief peasants/robots, evil lord and princess to rescue....

          There's an interesting theory that the original Star Wars film was greatly inspired by Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress, down to comic relief peasants/robots, evil lord and princess to rescue.

          Mandalorian circling back to these origins is yet another nod to the originals, IMHO.

          2 votes
    2. krg
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      I'm actually digging the score for this, so far. I do think the color grading swings a bit too far into that modern, low-contrast look, though.

      I'm actually digging the score for this, so far. I do think the color grading swings a bit too far into that modern, low-contrast look, though.

      6 votes
  2. stromm
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    This show looks REALLY good, visually. I was excited to start watching it. The first episode is great, except for the "ET phone home" scene at the end. And I hoped that didn't set the "feel" for...

    This show looks REALLY good, visually. I was excited to start watching it. The first episode is great, except for the "ET phone home" scene at the end. And I hoped that didn't set the "feel" for the show.

    But I'm much less impressed with the second episode. I felt like I was watching a Disney show, not a Star Wars show. Episodes are very short, even shorter than the "no commercials" 42 minute standard. I came away from Ep02 wanting more.

    5 votes
  3. [5]
    9000
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    So far I've been really enjoying it! The aesthetics are very high quality and really help to set the tone. I also really like how they reference but also expand on things we already know about the...

    So far I've been really enjoying it! The aesthetics are very high quality and really help to set the tone. I also really like how they reference but also expand on things we already know about the Star Wars universe. The Force Awakens felt so copycat and The Last Jedi, like The Phantom Menace, seemed to break some of the pre-established lore. But I really like the direction The Mandalorian is going, because it expands on existing lore, bringing in new concepts, but without overwriting anything. At least, so far.

    There are a few things I am either confused about, or didn't like. On the confusion side, I'd be interested in the backstory to the female Mandalorian. Because, my understanding was that Boba Fett and the clones in the Prequels were all clones of Jengo Fett. But, I'm opticimistic that there will be an interesting backstory here, since it seems like the Mandalorians have developed a sort of group identity and "religion". Honestly, I was confused that there was anyone more than just Boba Fett!

    In terms of dislike, I don't like how easily the baby Yoda could use the Force. They make a big fuss in all the movies about how important and difficult it is to train, and that prior to training the Force shows itself in subtler, harder to control ways. Like, I get that Yoda was a super masterful jedi, but I always assumed that was through centuries of training and self-discipline. But, I digress.

    All in all, I am very excited to see where this goes!


    EDIT: Jengo and Boba Fett were not Mandalorians, they just wore Mandalorian armor [1]

    4 votes
    1. CALICO
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      Per Legends-lore, Yoda's species was always super in-tune with the Force as a rule. I can buy Little Yittle using the Force, based on that, their age (infant yes, but around for a bit), and that...

      Per Legends-lore, Yoda's species was always super in-tune with the Force as a rule. I can buy Baby Yoda Little Yittle using the Force, based on that, their age (infant yes, but around for a bit), and that using it caused them to pass out in exhaustion for a bunch of hours. I'm very iterested to see if they'll go deep on where Yittle came from in this; 50 years old during current events would have Yittle being 22 during Order 66.

      3 votes
    2. [3]
      Sand
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      I don't think Boba Fett is related to the Mandalorians, aside from the armor he wears. At least that's how it was in the old canon, I don't know if they changed it. I agree with you on the baby...

      I don't think Boba Fett is related to the Mandalorians, aside from the armor he wears. At least that's how it was in the old canon, I don't know if they changed it.

      I agree with you on the baby yoda. They keep making the force less and less special.

      2 votes
      1. 9000
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        You're right! I thought he was a Mandalorian, but according to the fan wikis, he is not. My bad!

        I don't think Boba Fett is related to the Mandalorians, aside from the armor he wears.

        You're right! I thought he was a Mandalorian, but according to the fan wikis, he is not. My bad!

        3 votes
      2. stromm
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        Canon says that neither Jango nor Boba are Mandalorians.

        Canon says that neither Jango nor Boba are Mandalorians.

        1 vote
  4. [2]
    Sand
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    [Offtopic] Should a new thread be made for the rest of the episodes or should the title of this topic be changed?

    [Offtopic] Should a new thread be made for the rest of the episodes or should the title of this topic be changed?