Lia's recent activity
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Comment on Invite request spam problem - vet through other social media? in ~tildes
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Comment on Is there any interest in building a Tildes successor? in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentI understood as much. That's the first step out of three in the bag. The other two: It's easy to say "these are our values" and an entirely different thing to actually build and maintain a forum...I think for me, the entire purpose would be to replicate or at least model on the existing foundations written in those documents.
I understood as much. That's the first step out of three in the bag. The other two:
- It's easy to say "these are our values" and an entirely different thing to actually build and maintain a forum that aligns with them in practice. This is a huge challenge even for private individuals in their personal lives, of which they are entirey in charge, but it must be a great deal harder for someone running an online community.
- Even if someone were to somehow achieve the above, there's still another hurdle: making me (and other potential users) believe it. If I don't see and believe, I won't become a part of the thing no matter how great it is.
I'm sorry that I don't have help of advice to offer. I will say that I appreciate your desire to build a community and that you recognise the value of kindness.
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Comment on We economists have done the maths: ‘growth’ is a doomed strategy – there is a better way in ~finance
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Comment on McDonald’s built a 515-page dossier on me in ~tech
Lia Link ParentI tend to agree for the most part. It's probably a net positive for society if a restaurant can accuratey predict how much food should be prepared any given day and what amount of ingredients...I tend to agree for the most part.
It's probably a net positive for society if a restaurant can accuratey predict how much food should be prepared any given day and what amount of ingredients needs to be stocked to accomplish that, etc. Wasting resources is really problematic for our environment.
As long as they're not making an extra buck out of selling this data to others for targeted advertising, it's fine.
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Comment on We economists have done the maths: ‘growth’ is a doomed strategy – there is a better way in ~finance
Lia Link ParentI've never hear the name. Can someone fill me in?Jason Hickel
I've never hear the name. Can someone fill me in?
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Comment on Is there any interest in building a Tildes successor? in ~tildes
Lia LinkFor what it's worth (and do mark this noise if appropriate), my personal interest in this is low. The main reasons I joined and have been as active on here as I have - in order of importance: the...For what it's worth (and do mark this noise if appropriate), my personal interest in this is low.
The main reasons I joined and have been as active on here as I have - in order of importance:
- the documentation that clearly demonstrates that the founder/admin knows what they're doing and that their values and goals very closely align with mine,
- the high quality of the existing conversations on here when I first got invited,
- the fact that moderation practice was actually in line with the above mentioned values and goals,
- the person who invited me, whom I didn't know but whose thinking was diverse and exceptionally measured so I immediately developed a lot of respect for them when looking at their comment history (unfortunately this person has not been active in recent years).
None of these can be easily replicated. For example, you could copy some of the documentation about the purpose and goals of the site but that wouldn't be enough for me. Deimos wrote that himself so I could trust that he actually understands what he's doing and will be able to implement it too.
Nowadays there's another reason for me to want to remain on Tildes: the fact that AI slop generators can't easily get in. I can more or less trust that most users on here are real humans with human reasons to be active on the site.
I made a post recently where I attempted to workshop a new label. Not because I don't like it here - I do. I just had even higher hopes for the site because the starting point is so amazing. Had Tildes been able to develop in this desired direction, I would have wanted to up my participation by writing more in-depth posts about topics that are important to me. Things that would take a lot of effort and putting myself on the line professionally (and as a human being). If I can't trust a forum to handle it with care, it doesn't make sense to do it. I've never seen a forum that could, so my online communications have been limited to things I can drop any time without feeling bad about it. Tildes, the way it is now, is perfectly adequate for that and I don't believe any spinoff can achieve the same level easily, or at all.
I'll be happy to be proven wrong of course.
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Comment on Incentives are for losers in ~society
Lia Link ParentI'm curious about the type you're referring to! I can't detect a type, but others are so there must be something there. Is there a general descriptor for it that you (or someone else) would like...I'm curious about the type you're referring to! I can't detect a type, but others are so there must be something there. Is there a general descriptor for it that you (or someone else) would like to share?
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Comment on Incentives are for losers in ~society
Lia LinkReading this was a positive experience for me, thanks for posting! The article introduces a concept I keep detecting in people but didn't know the name for: illusion of explanatory depth. It...Reading this was a positive experience for me, thanks for posting!
The article introduces a concept I keep detecting in people but didn't know the name for: illusion of explanatory depth. It supports the same explanation I've landed at wondering why so many people do so many bad things despite having the logical processing ability to realise they're bad, and despite their obvious intention to be a good person (myself included of course). The observation that mindlessly following incentives can lead to extremely horrific outcomes, similar to the WWII era's "just following orders" is important and should be highlighted every chance we get.
Unfortunately the human brain works by creating shortcuts that enable us to turn off cognitive processing as often as possible. Turning it back on to check ourselves must be done with deliberation. We should also make it a regular practice. Just like going to the gym one time is a step in the right direction but won't actually change much, developing our mental models is a neverending process.
Some criticism: the author seems to imply that as soon as a person is met with something that conflicts with their current world view, they are likely to reprocess it. This is not at all the case as the author very likely is aware. We have a host of defense mechanisms that we tend to pull out first, in order to avoid the cognitive/emotional labour we'd have to do in order to actually change our existing beliefs. The first step of doing the required work is often to recognise that we are in fact using one of these mechanisms, not actually processing the internal conflict in a way that could lead to a change. We might not even be aware that there is a conflict to begin with so learning to catch our defenses in action is a good start.
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Comment on Incentives are for losers in ~society
Lia (edited )Link ParentI read your comment before reading the article, but even when I tried to discern this insufferable character from what was there, I could not. Maybe it's just a matter of taste? Maybe I'm not well...But he sounds absolutely insufferable.
I read your comment before reading the article, but even when I tried to discern this insufferable character from what was there, I could not. Maybe it's just a matter of taste? Maybe I'm not well versed enough in English to pick up some of the tells?
On the other hand, you bring up "sky daddy" as an example when it should be clear that it was a reference to some teenagers' view of their god - not an expression the author would use.
Whatever the case, I'll note that this was a perfectly fine read for me, even if just to let others know they might want to give it a go.
There are just better ways to do science communication than this.
I don't think this was intended to be science communication first and foremost? It reads as a person fed up that people are not using their brains and the awful consequences of this, wishing to call attention to the phenomenon.
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Comment on Choosing a printer in ~tech
Lia Link ParentNow that I think of it, the satisfaction of pressing those physical buttons probably alleviated some of the pain of having to spend a few extra seconds of my life to get the configuration done.Now that I think of it, the satisfaction of pressing those physical buttons probably alleviated some of the pain of having to spend a few extra seconds of my life to get the configuration done.
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Comment on Choosing a printer in ~tech
Lia Link ParentYep, I've experienced a couple troublesome printers myself and thought I was doomed. But the Xerox has been great and frictionless to the extent that I sometimes say "I love you" to it out loud XD...Yep, I've experienced a couple troublesome printers myself and thought I was doomed. But the Xerox has been great and frictionless to the extent that I sometimes say "I love you" to it out loud XD
The only thing I dislike about it is that wi-fi had to be configured using a numpad. Each number button will cycle through 3 letters, first lower case, then upper case, so if you need the third one in upper case, you have to press the button 6 times to get it. My wi-fi has a fairly long name and password. It was a pain in the butt. Everything else works like a charm and without any extra steps or enshittification!
Fingers crossed, hoping they haven't installed a chip that makes it go kaputt at a predetermined time. (Actually, that's probably illegal in the EU so I won't need to worry about it.)
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Comment on Any significant changes to Tildes are extremely unlikely in ~tildes.official
Lia LinkThank you for the clarification and thank you for creating and running the site. It's the best anonymous online community I know of!Thank you for the clarification and thank you for creating and running the site. It's the best anonymous online community I know of!
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentFor some reason I believe the opposite: that it would be easy to agree that something lacks nuance (or doesn't) even between people who disagree on the opinion itself. Maybe I'm wrong and on...And no one is “wrong”, at least in an objective sense.
For some reason I believe the opposite: that it would be easy to agree that something lacks nuance (or doesn't) even between people who disagree on the opinion itself. Maybe I'm wrong and on Tildes this wouldn't be feasible? Maybe it would. At least that's what my preferred environments are like and I hope that Tildes is one of them.
Yes, because A has to put their name on it. They have to say the crude thing with their own (metaphorical) mouth. They have to own it.
"Own it", by getting patted on the back by the likeminded majority? And the minority person who is being slighted and who will get dogpiled by that same majority for trying to advocate for themself is just getting what they deserve if they decide against exposing themself to that? Without the label, they are by default more alone than person A and the label is an attempt to level the playing field somewhat.
In other words, the consequences of "owning it" can be completely different for different people, depending on their privilege.
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentThe label I'm suggesting attempts to be something that isn't influenced by popularity. Most people should be able to detect when a comment is nuanced and takes into account differing perspectives,...The label I'm suggesting attempts to be something that isn't influenced by popularity. Most people should be able to detect when a comment is nuanced and takes into account differing perspectives, regardless of whether they like the comment or not (at least I think/hope this goes for most people on Tildes).
(I took a quick glance at your comment history and didn't find anything on the first page that I would consider lacking nuance to the point of deserving a label.)
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentYou are correct that my example comment isn't a clear case, but it's probably also not something that many people would defend by reporting a misplaced label. (And it doesn't even matter because...You are correct that my example comment isn't a clear case, but it's probably also not something that many people would defend by reporting a misplaced label. (And it doesn't even matter because Deimos would likely only take action when someone is clearly misusing labels as a habit.)
It’s also ultimately impossible to consider literally every side.
And that isn't the idea either. Maybe I should have given a clearer example. A while back there was a conversation about a video essay by Shaun, regarding the Palestine situation. Someone took the position that it shouldn't be called a genocide because there wasn't a verdict that says so from the ICJ yet. The comments were long, detailed and constructive on the surface but they completely omitted the perspective of the victims of the genocide. I felt awful about that despite not being personally involved in the situation in any way. I did end up trying to express my opinion but it would have been nice to know that others see the one-sidedness/myopia/whatever we want to call it, even when that one particular person didn't.
Rather than protect minorities, this would actually have a chilling effect, where majority opinions know that they have the greater ability to throw this tag on people.
The whole point is that nobody could throw this tag on anyone who writes nuanced comments, regardless of whether the opinion itself is popular or not.
I think it is better and more fair, yes.
Let's double check. A makes a crude comment that dismisses B's existence, which results in B feeling alone. Are you saying that this is fair? In my opinion the person whose behaviour is uncouth should be the one left feeling alone (in case it's impossible to make everyone feel welcome). Actions and consequences should be aligned.
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentBy looking at the comment. If it clearly lacks nuance, then the label is correctly placed. If not, it is not. Reporting it probably also wouldn't do anything on its own. If someone is misusing...How would you know it was a misuse?
By looking at the comment. If it clearly lacks nuance, then the label is correctly placed. If not, it is not. Reporting it probably also wouldn't do anything on its own. If someone is misusing labels habitually, Deimos could make the call to take away that ability.
It’s actually a commonly recognized element of human psychology that arguments rarely ever change people’s minds. Reply and move on. It’s for the peanut gallery, not to change anyone’s mind.
My problem is not that I can't change someone's mind. It's that there's no middle ground between doing nothing and spending effort to write a reply to someone who clearly isn't equipped or interested to process it, but who can easily produce multiple more rounds of the same offending material as many times as they receive responses.
It also adds a new way to harass people. Someone can feel even more alone when they write something heartfelt and get a “one-sided” label thrown on without even a reason why.
Is it better, or more fair, that the people whose feelings/experience/existence they ignore by making uncouth comments are feeling alone? The label won't prevent others (or even the label-giver) from going in and helping the person understand why it was given.
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentThat could be the word I'm looking for! What's the opposite of nuanced? That would be a misuse of the label. I'd like for us to have a way to report misusing labels because it degrades their...nuanced
That could be the word I'm looking for! What's the opposite of nuanced?
With a label, the objection could just be “anything related to palantir is inherently evil and that’s that”,
That would be a misuse of the label. I'd like for us to have a way to report misusing labels because it degrades their meaning.
A reply seems like the correct interaction?
In most cases yes, but there are cases (discussed in other comments) where it would be a fool's errand because the offending party is so clearly and deeply uninformed and uninterested in receiving new information. A label would indicate that someone feels this way about their comment. Would it make a difference every time? Of course not. Would it make a difference in some cases? I believe so. It would also help the slighted people feel that they're not alone, even if the commenter doesn't realise or care.
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentHere's a comment I made in good faith that might have received that label, and if it had, I would have gone back to read what I wrote and the comment I was responding to. It's quite likely I would...Here's a comment I made in good faith that might have received that label, and if it had, I would have gone back to read what I wrote and the comment I was responding to. It's quite likely I would have realised my mistake without others having to point it out. In this case I got called out and a kind person generously explained to me where I went off the rails. Using the label would have freed up their time for something more productive and probably the overall quality of the conversations here would be a smidge higher.
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentI'm looking for a desired outcome that the majority on this forum would agree with. My suggestion is probably not worded well enough so I invite others to brainstorm better ideas. To reiterate,...I'm looking for a desired outcome that the majority on this forum would agree with. My suggestion is probably not worded well enough so I invite others to brainstorm better ideas.
To reiterate, the attitude I find valuable and what the harmful comments lack is something like "inviting diversity" or "fostering diversity" or even just "preserving diversity". Comments that very strongly go against this principle should be called out. What would be a better wording than calling them one-sided?
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Lia Link ParentThis sounds like a lot of (thankless) work to those volunteers, especially if they aren't experts in every topic that potentially gets discussed on Tildes. I get the point you made earlier about...I think if we had something like the solution I'm envisioning, multiple people could come along who were marked as trusted guides and who could append information to the original post (not regular comments, but blurbs that would show below the original text), clarifying the narrowness of its perspective and presenting a different one.
This sounds like a lot of (thankless) work to those volunteers, especially if they aren't experts in every topic that potentially gets discussed on Tildes.
I get the point you made earlier about using the label for bullying. I think there should be consequences anyway for using any label wrongfully, such as taking away the ability to use them. There are probably just a few people who do this repeatedly so hopefully it wouldn't be too hard for the mods to manage. We'd just need a way to report the behaviour.
Yes, drama is bad.
Conflict and differing opinions can exist without drama. When it gets far enough to qualify for drama, there's always someone at whose expense it happens. That's not an acceptable price to pay for other people's fun, not even if those people are careful to not cause the drama.
Let's find other ways to enjoy our lives and online activities.