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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
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Comment on Valve's forgotten game: Team Fortress 2's shocking toxicity problem in ~games
shanara99 Link ParentWell, that age range was partialy based on Giammanco's studies (2011), linking the greater surge of testosterone during early puberty with increased aggresiveness, and Papalia's manual on human...Well, that age range was partialy based on Giammanco's studies (2011), linking the greater surge of testosterone during early puberty with increased aggresiveness, and Papalia's manual on human development.
Of course gamers are of any age, and any education level. I , myself am 40, female, working on a doctorate in psychology... and loving the fuck out of my PC games since I was 8.
The fact, tho, is that testosterone leads to more aggresive behaviour. This is something observed in every vertebrate. A "sudden" increase of testosterone levels, such as the one ocurring during puberty, can lead to uncontrolled rage, until the individual learns to adapt to those levels.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentNever said the deluge came from the news... but from literaly everyone. Aka, no escape from it. So may as well get on with it. If it's unscapable, a TW won't help.Never said the deluge came from the news... but from literaly everyone. Aka, no escape from it. So may as well get on with it. If it's unscapable, a TW won't help.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentPretty much my point. If you don't know what will trigger someone, you need to decide what's reasonable. I don't think just the mention IS reasonable... since they're bound to read/hear it...How do you know what will trigger other people?
Pretty much my point. If you don't know what will trigger someone, you need to decide what's reasonable. I don't think just the mention IS reasonable... since they're bound to read/hear it normally. Hell, couple months ago, in my country, EVERYONE was mentioning rape at least 5 times a day, because of a high profile case. So, "just the mention of rape" is definetly going too far.
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Comment on Valve's forgotten game: Team Fortress 2's shocking toxicity problem in ~games
shanara99 Link ParentSure. The most common demographic for that kind of behaviour are males 12 to 25, with low academic levels. And yes, males. Females, the lierature tells us, would prefer (not always, but most...So... Gamers? or competitive people? I am genuinely curious what you think that demographic is, because the demographics susceptible to this sort of behavior are massive.
Sure. The most common demographic for that kind of behaviour are males 12 to 25, with low academic levels.
And yes, males. Females, the lierature tells us, would prefer (not always, but most females would) indirect aggresion, rather than direct aggresion. So... a woman would take revenge by socially punishing someone, while a man would take revenge by directly insulting you. Agression is gendered, and this behavious comes out from agression plus desindividualization, plus competitive enviroment, if you ask me.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentThanks for the suggestion... But, I am who I am. And I act how I act. I'm not going to change how I act to adapt to a community. I know, that's sociopathic, to a point. I don't care. That's how I...Thanks for the suggestion... But, I am who I am. And I act how I act. I'm not going to change how I act to adapt to a community. I know, that's sociopathic, to a point. I don't care. That's how I am. So, yeah, I'm not going to try and get a feel for the community. Wouldn't change anything, anyway.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentYes, in that topic my mind is completly made up. Thorpe proved, back in the 60s, that people improve and get over phobias and other mental hangups way faster if they're exposed to them. Yes, I...Yes, in that topic my mind is completly made up. Thorpe proved, back in the 60s, that people improve and get over phobias and other mental hangups way faster if they're exposed to them. Yes, I know this is usually done by a profesional... but even uncontrolled exposure has value, since it lets you know you may have a problem.
However made up my mind is, I'm also open enough to reach an agrement. As you may see in some of my interventions, while I don't think the use of TW is good, I can agree that SOME content could use it. So, even if my mind is made up, you can still reason with me.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentAh, I see where our disagreement comes from. You're a democrat, and I'm a technocrat. For the record, yes, I call trigger warnings censorship, in the academical sense of the word censorship, that...Ah, I see where our disagreement comes from. You're a democrat, and I'm a technocrat.
For the record, yes, I call trigger warnings censorship, in the academical sense of the word censorship, that is, censoring in the sense of curating, on the sense of making sure you don't have to read anything unsuitable for you. That is censorship. Not all censorship is bad.
Parents censor what their kids watch on TV. What they read. Political censorship is bad, yes... but that's not the kind of censorship I'm talking about here. But yes, trigger warning act as censor for those who want to use them. It is what it is.
What other point have trigger warnings but to censor a site for those who decide to use them to filter stuff out? I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm just calling it censoring a site, VOLUNTARILY, for yourself. The fact that you're the one doing it to yourself is irrelevant.
And I like your answers, even if I disagree with them. I don't think that a democratic system is the best one to decide what's best for others, but a technocratic system. I am fully aware of the shortcomings of technocracy, specially considering it's a form of oligarchy. And that's why I prefer debating to reach an agreement.
Now, since I understand your position now. I'd ask you: Who'd be responsible for making those trigger warnings. And, this, again, is a serious question. I'm not trolling. And I'll explain what I mean.
If the user posting is the one responsible, this would make every person decide on their own, if what they're posting is triggering or not. There'd be no standarization, and some people would be more liberal in their use of TW, while others would be more conservative. Some people wouldn't even use them at all, thus defeating the system.
On the other hand, having someone to check and decide what's triggering or not would force them to read plenty of disturbing stuff, plus it'd take too much time.
So, again, what do you propose there? Not just you, Kat, but everyone. Should the OP have to tag the posts, or someone else? And still, WHAT is the standard that needs to be tagged.
That is: Should a broken arm with a bone showing be marked as TW? Should a nosebleed? What about cases such as Phineas Gage? Is just mentioning "She was raped" enough to justify a TW, or do we need something more? Should we have TW for common phobias?
That's the discussion here. My answer is that we should only mark the MOST gruesome of our content. A simple mention, or even a depiction shouldn't require a marking. Graphical illustration of an open stomach? Maybe. Just mentioning that someone was raped, without even telling how it happened? Hell no!
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentAgain, "Step of the chair" is only triggering on a context. If I saw that line, and suicide was something I wanted to avoid, I'd stop reading. Now, let me step of my chair and get some water.Again, "Step of the chair" is only triggering on a context. If I saw that line, and suicide was something I wanted to avoid, I'd stop reading. Now, let me step of my chair and get some water.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentWell, obviously you have failed to do so in my eye, since we're still discussing it. I've not seen a clear demarcation of what's to be consider a "trigger". And, mor importantly, why those, and...Well, obviously you have failed to do so in my eye, since we're still discussing it. I've not seen a clear demarcation of what's to be consider a "trigger". And, mor importantly, why those, and not other limits? I think that's the discussion to have here.
1.- Do we need to protect others from potentialy harmful content?
2.- How we define that content?
3.- Up to what point we need to protect them?
Once we're answered those 3 questions, we can start talking about if we should us a system or another, to do so.
Now, for my answers to my own questions (since these are subjective answers, anyway):
1.- No, we don't. It'd be nice if we did, tho.
2.- Defining what can be harmful can be very hard. Specially if we want to avoid excesive censorship and curation, to prevent glamorization of certain topics. I don't think this question can be answered without proper debate and research, as the consequences of a bad answer can have some adverse effects, as proven by Skinner's conditioning experiments in regards to masochism (not in the sexual way).
3.- We only need to inform them politely. Doing anything else would be treating them as children, and, thus, demeaning of their intellectual capacities.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentThen we should start by defining what we mean by triggers, instead of assuming everyone is in the same page.Then we should start by defining what we mean by triggers, instead of assuming everyone is in the same page.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentWhat minutia? Wanting to have a system that resembles reality is not "minutia". Asking for a source that's not based on "common sense" and "common agreements" is not bickering nor acting...What minutia? Wanting to have a system that resembles reality is not "minutia". Asking for a source that's not based on "common sense" and "common agreements" is not bickering nor acting condescendingly. It's wanting to meet a decent standard.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentFair enough... but that brings us to that other topic we're already discussing. How do you know which ones are "the common ones"? Because, if this topic is important, and serious, common sense...Fair enough... but that brings us to that other topic we're already discussing. How do you know which ones are "the common ones"? Because, if this topic is important, and serious, common sense should not suffice.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentMaybe an study or two? There're such things, you know? Such as Bourdon et al (1988) Gender differences in phobias: Results of the ECA community survey, Journal of Anxiety disorders, volume 2,...Maybe an study or two? There're such things, you know? Such as Bourdon et al (1988) Gender differences in phobias: Results of the ECA community survey, Journal of Anxiety disorders, volume 2, issue 3, pages 227-241, mentioning that the most common phobia for both men and woman is spiders and bugs.
So, see.... I knew there're these profesionals... called psychologists, that actually research on human behaviour, so we don't have to use informal consensus, but things that actually work.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentActually.... in psychiatry, trigger was a transitive verb. You trigger a flashback. You trigger a phobia attack. You trigger a panic reaction. "Triggered" by itself is a synonim of "deeply...Actually.... in psychiatry, trigger was a transitive verb. You trigger a flashback. You trigger a phobia attack. You trigger a panic reaction. "Triggered" by itself is a synonim of "deeply torubles" or "bothers". A person isn't triggered, a person is bothered. There's difference between having a flashback, and just "being bothered by something". That is the problem of trigger warnings, when used improperly: They equalize those 2 things.
Not to mention that the associative nature of memory will make random images trigger very specific flashbacks, completly unrelated. Seeing a tomato CAN trigger a PTSD flashback of a companion stepping on a mine 2 feet from you.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentAnd what made you assume those are "the big four"? In other words: citation needed. No, I'm serious here. Why are those "the big four". Are those aprticularly prevalent in society? How prevalent?...And what made you assume those are "the big four"? In other words: citation needed.
No, I'm serious here. Why are those "the big four". Are those aprticularly prevalent in society? How prevalent? How much more prevalent or, say, clourophobia? If we want an honest discussion about this, we need to know these answers. You can't just decide that by yourself.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentI think this is deeply patronizing and insulting to those suffering from those issues. Look. I suffer crippling arachnophobia. I don't need a TW on spiders, because, well, I am able to read. If an...I think this is deeply patronizing and insulting to those suffering from those issues.
Look. I suffer crippling arachnophobia. I don't need a TW on spiders, because, well, I am able to read. If an article is titled "Arachnid outbreak in Cairo", I know for certain I'm not checking it. I don't even need a tag to tell me not to check it.
You're just assuming that people can't infer content by the title of an article, and that's the insult.
So, don't do that. And yes, I'm comparing a crippling phobia to PTSD. Keep in mind I said "crippling", as in "you see a spider, you pass out of pure fear".
No, you're not "giving a rape survivor a violent flashback", because you're NOT FORCING them to read it. If just reading the title of the article gives them the flashback, then they need psychological help, FAST, since they can't function as normal individuals in a society, and should not be protected to that point.
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Comment on Trigger warning tag / special flair? in ~tildes
shanara99 Link ParentYeah, I'm going to point out the difference between NSFW and TW. You see, NSFW is external, while TW is internal. As a general rule, there're some topics that we deem unsafe for work, because they...Yeah, I'm going to point out the difference between NSFW and TW.
You see, NSFW is external, while TW is internal. As a general rule, there're some topics that we deem unsafe for work, because they are, objectively grounds for sanctions in your workplace. Those topics are imposed by other people, by a structure. Meanwhile, triggers are self imposed. It's your own psyche and experience that imposes them.
As such, what triggers someone can be too wide to be useful in a hierarchal way. I mean, what if I have a severe phobia to balloons, and they trigger me? Or clowns?or, I don't know, people with extremely long nails.
Since "trigger" can cover such a wide array of topic, it ends up making no sense. Yes, you may have issues seeing violence, and you don't want to... but at the same time, I may pass out by the image of a spider, while someone else may be deeply troubled to the point of needing counseling after watching a video of a cat, because some experiences in their past.
No. TW as a hierarchy is just nonsensical because of the subjective and internal nature of the tag. I mean, FFS, some people are deeply bothered (Aka triggered) by public display of affection.
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Comment on 'A Nazi in all but name': Author argues Asperger's syndrome should be renamed in ~science
shanara99 Link ParentMaybe, but one must not forget that definitions change with history. Nowadays, when we think about eugenics we think about the NEGATIVE eugenics used by nazis and North American (Yes, USA flirted...Maybe, but one must not forget that definitions change with history. Nowadays, when we think about eugenics we think about the NEGATIVE eugenics used by nazis and North American (Yes, USA flirted with Eugenics, too)... but we must not forget the POSITIVE eugenics proposed by Galton originally.
Well, "my dude". I'm not a "dude"... and this shit IS going to fly. Because, see, it's something that's going to happen, which means it's the person who gets triggered who needs to do their best to prevent being triggered. Sure, we can help. But it's unreasonable that we "babyproof" everything so they don't have to do any effort on their end. Noone heals if they don't want to heal... So while I'm not saying "go out of your way to trigger them", because that'd be spiteful, also, don't go out of your way to make sure they don't have to get healed.