21 votes

Why is the Sonic comic so controversial?

16 comments

  1. [2]
    Fiachra
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    I was not expecting to be captivated by behind the scenes stories from a sonic the hedgehog comic, but I gave it a chance because the best video essay is the one that makes you care about a topic...

    I was not expecting to be captivated by behind the scenes stories from a sonic the hedgehog comic, but I gave it a chance because the best video essay is the one that makes you care about a topic you know zero about. Really great storytelling.

    10 votes
    1. tomorrow-never-knows
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      Just a heads up if you watched early on, there's now a pinned comment on the video with a response from Ken Penders.

      Just a heads up if you watched early on, there's now a pinned comment on the video with a response from Ken Penders.

      3 votes
  2. [12]
    kingofsnake
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    Aside from buying one from a truck stop on a family holiday in the early 90s, I've never been turned on to this Sonic comics. That said, as somebody on the internet and interested in Sega and...

    Aside from buying one from a truck stop on a family holiday in the early 90s, I've never been turned on to this Sonic comics.

    That said, as somebody on the internet and interested in Sega and video games over the past 20 years, it was hard to ignore the weirdness that came from the sonic fandom. Why the furries crossover? What about that Sonichu guy who was bullied and burned his house down - why did that come from sonic?

    Well, this video puts plenty of that into context now. I frankly had no idea that a comic for kids was a vehicle for what was basically mature fanfic storytelling.

    What amazes me is that Sega would have such loose rules for its flagship IP. It goes to show what a wreck the company was after the Dreamcast died.

    7 votes
    1. [7]
      stu2b50
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      Whenever someone asks why some companies are so strict on fan works and fan art, my two case studies are My Little Pony and Sonic, both of which are completely innocuous series and IPs in their...

      Whenever someone asks why some companies are so strict on fan works and fan art, my two case studies are My Little Pony and Sonic, both of which are completely innocuous series and IPs in their own right, but absolutely the first thing that comes up when you think about MLP today is bronies and furries, and there's nothing inherently wrong with them but that's a very, uh, adult-themed community to be heavily associated with your children's IP.

      MLP much moreso than Sonic, but Sonic still is colored by the, uh, fan works, certainly moreso than, say, Mario, which is pretty squeaky clean in the public's eye.

      6 votes
      1. [6]
        kingofsnake
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        What I don't understand is why both IPs, one made up of fanciful magic horses and the other with its stylized woodland creatures in primary colours, would be primetime for weird sex stuff. Like,...

        What I don't understand is why both IPs, one made up of fanciful magic horses and the other with its stylized woodland creatures in primary colours, would be primetime for weird sex stuff.

        Like, were the billions of hours of fetish du jour internet porn not enough? Was it the challenge alone that made the fandom want to sexualize super deformed horses and hedgehogs?

        For Sega, I bet it was a tough choice. In the early oughts, this was probably a pillar of the Sonic IP that was actually successful. While it was weird as hell, I'm betting that to them, it outweighed the IP being totally forgotten.

        2 votes
        1. [3]
          thecardguy
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          Probably a combination of two things that largely breed online, especially in the dim corners that mainstream scrutiny often overlooks. First, I hope I don't have to explain the infamous Rule 34....

          Probably a combination of two things that largely breed online, especially in the dim corners that mainstream scrutiny often overlooks.

          First, I hope I don't have to explain the infamous Rule 34.

          But that's only part of it. There are unfortunately people who take joy in twisting something innocent for children and making it very weird and adult- orientated, to put it mildly. The Blood and Honey slasher film comes to mind. Or to put it another way, as a random person once commented online: the whole reason fanfiction exists is so the writer can make two characters have sex. I"ve learned that online, people really ARE that depraved.

          3 votes
          1. Micycle_the_Bichael
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            I am struggling to write a response to this comment that doesn't come off as aggressive so I am just going to have to give up and go with my best effort. This is an extreme over-generalization of...

            Or to put it another way, as a random person once commented online: the whole reason fanfiction exists is so the writer can make two characters have sex. I"ve learned that online, people really ARE that depraved.

            I am struggling to write a response to this comment that doesn't come off as aggressive so I am just going to have to give up and go with my best effort. This is an extreme over-generalization of fan fiction that is loaded with negative value judgements. It is hard for me to find a way to read this as anything other than an insult at people who enjoy fan fiction. I am struggling to put into words all of the ways this comes off as condescending while also overgeneralizing or being flat-out wrong.

            16 votes
          2. Moonchild
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            i feel like your comment contains a lot of negative value judgments which i don't think are appropriate. there's nothing morally wrong about this

            i feel like your comment contains a lot of negative value judgments which i don't think are appropriate. there's nothing morally wrong about this

            10 votes
    2. [4]
      Jerutix
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      For real - Sonic fandom is wild stuff, and the comic book was absolutely part of that. I’ve personally enjoyed the comic more since all this mess went down and they moved to IDW. Sega made a more...

      For real - Sonic fandom is wild stuff, and the comic book was absolutely part of that.

      I’ve personally enjoyed the comic more since all this mess went down and they moved to IDW. Sega made a more conscious effort to keep the comic vaguely aligned with the games, including having the main comic writer (Ian Flynn) write all the dialogue for Sonic Frontiers.

      3 votes
      1. [3]
        kingofsnake
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        Could you tell me what the relationship is between the SatAM series and the comics? Was the show first, and if so, did that lead writer from the comics have a hand in it?

        Could you tell me what the relationship is between the SatAM series and the comics? Was the show first, and if so, did that lead writer from the comics have a hand in it?

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          Jerutix
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          Surprisingly, I’ve never watched that show. I watched the other one from the same era, but not the one that absolutely fed into the comic. IIRC, the show was first and the comic loosely spun out...

          Surprisingly, I’ve never watched that show. I watched the other one from the same era, but not the one that absolutely fed into the comic. IIRC, the show was first and the comic loosely spun out of it. No clue on creative team crossover, though.

          3 votes
          1. kingofsnake
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            I remember the show being awesome. It was layered, semi-serious and the story had stakes, and the only kids tv shows I'd see with those qualities until Dragon Ball Z came onto the scene years later.

            I remember the show being awesome. It was layered, semi-serious and the story had stakes, and the only kids tv shows I'd see with those qualities until Dragon Ball Z came onto the scene years later.

            1 vote
  3. tomorrow-never-knows
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    Another high quality video from matttt who is quickly becoming my favourite comics-related YouTube creator. He has a great knack for finding some of the most fascinating people and stories strewn...

    Another high quality video from matttt who is quickly becoming my favourite comics-related YouTube creator. He has a great knack for finding some of the most fascinating people and stories strewn throughout the annals of the funny book business and this is yet another I was wholly ignorant of prior to watching but was nevertheless kept engaged throughout.

    4 votes
  4. Jerutix
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    I can’t wait to watch this tomorrow. I already know way too much about it, but as a Sonic comic reader for large swaths of my life… gotta watch.

    I can’t wait to watch this tomorrow. I already know way too much about it, but as a Sonic comic reader for large swaths of my life… gotta watch.

    2 votes