'I did X to try and prevent someone from doing Y' Hmm cool that makes sense 'Now you're probably thinking that someone will try to just Z to get around X, so I did W to prevent that' I wasn't, but...
'I did X to try and prevent someone from doing Y'
Hmm cool that makes sense
'Now you're probably thinking that someone will try to just Z to get around X, so I did W to prevent that'
I wasn't, but pretty clever
'And now you're thinking that you could just V to get around the W, so I added Q to stop that'
I did not think of that at all but yeah that's smart
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Cool video OP, thanks for sharing! Looking forward to the LPL video about this lock when that eventually comes out.
I'm not much of a mechanical engineer (more electrical here), but I do enjoy watching others create mechanical designs such as this. The animation quality is also quite nice and the explanations...
I'm not much of a mechanical engineer (more electrical here), but I do enjoy watching others create mechanical designs such as this. The animation quality is also quite nice and the explanations flow smoothly as well.
I really enjoyed the use of the ball bearings as a "pseudo-fluid" in place of traditional springs. I've seen designs like the vise he talks about before, but would have never thought to apply that to a lock. I do wish he would have gone into more details about the adjustments he made after picking the lock, but I suppose as this is made partially for the lockpicking community, he wanted to leave at least a little bit of mystery.
My main takeaway though was that yes, it is possible to make a (potentially) unpickable lock - but it's not an attack-proof lock. Vulnerabilities such as key copying or drilling out the lock still exist. I'd be curious to see somebody try to address these one day - or if anybody has any videos to share concerning these, I'd love to see them!
I'm not sure key copying or drilling could be manufactured away, since these are things you often need to be able to do for legitimate reasons and which would probably be very difficult to make...
I'm not sure key copying or drilling could be manufactured away, since these are things you often need to be able to do for legitimate reasons and which would probably be very difficult to make impossible without impeding basic function of the lock.
Destructive techniques will always work. A cutting torch, thermal lance, grinder, etc will always win. We had a person cut around the lock and shackle to break into a container, literally left the...
Destructive techniques will always work. A cutting torch, thermal lance, grinder, etc will always win. We had a person cut around the lock and shackle to break into a container, literally left the lock fully intact, where there is a will there is a way.
Not to mention that locks are mortal objects. They eventually stop working, and there needs to be an end-of-life plan of attack. Even the stuff the US military uses to keep government secrets safe...
Not to mention that locks are mortal objects. They eventually stop working, and there needs to be an end-of-life plan of attack. Even the stuff the US military uses to keep government secrets safe has relatively simple (if maybe loud and time-consuming) defeat methods that are specified as a matter of protocol. As in, if you want to build locks for the government, they want them to be openable even after failure.
Yeah this is part of what I meant about legitimate reasons and impeding normal function of the lock -- if the lock breaks you do usually want to be able to get it open and remove it! This is why...
Yeah this is part of what I meant about legitimate reasons and impeding normal function of the lock -- if the lock breaks you do usually want to be able to get it open and remove it! This is why even a pick-proof lock like this one probably isn't fit for most purposes (what if you get locked out of your apartment? It's cheaper to get back in if the locksmith can pick the lock!) Similar with preventing key-copying -- you usually want to be able to make additional keys!
Great video! Lock picking has always been an idle fascination of mine ever since I was a kid, getting into places I shouldn't have was a bit of a hobby. The thing that always struck me about most...
Great video! Lock picking has always been an idle fascination of mine ever since I was a kid, getting into places I shouldn't have was a bit of a hobby. The thing that always struck me about most locks is how pathetic they are at their job when it comes to even the most basic attempt to circumvent them. It's cool to see how much effort goes into engineering solutions against that.
The issue is one of cost to attack ratio. Suppose this lock is literally perfect but costs $500, who ACTUALLY needs that? Given that in 90% of use cases someone will just destructively circumvent...
The issue is one of cost to attack ratio.
Suppose this lock is literally perfect but costs $500, who ACTUALLY needs that? Given that in 90% of use cases someone will just destructively circumvent the lock (either by attacking it directly or attacking the door/window/whatever)?
The average person basically needs locks that can't be bump key'd, and that's probably about it. The number of people who are actively going to try to pick a lock to get into a place, especially in an age of alarm systems, rather than just break the damn door down/use bolt cutters is super low.
Now granted, it doesn't help that the low low standard of "don't let it be bump key'd", is already assuming a fairly high (by industry standards...) bar of "doesn't have some absurdly fatal flaw like shimming, bypassing, using a marker, whatever".
The whole industry is full of bullshit, and it's only thanks to people like Lockpicking Lawyer popularizing this entire thing that there's at least SOME non trash options.
'I did X to try and prevent someone from doing Y'
Hmm cool that makes sense
'Now you're probably thinking that someone will try to just Z to get around X, so I did W to prevent that'
I wasn't, but pretty clever
'And now you're thinking that you could just V to get around the W, so I added Q to stop that'
I did not think of that at all but yeah that's smart
...
Cool video OP, thanks for sharing! Looking forward to the LPL video about this lock when that eventually comes out.
I'm not much of a mechanical engineer (more electrical here), but I do enjoy watching others create mechanical designs such as this. The animation quality is also quite nice and the explanations flow smoothly as well.
I really enjoyed the use of the ball bearings as a "pseudo-fluid" in place of traditional springs. I've seen designs like the vise he talks about before, but would have never thought to apply that to a lock. I do wish he would have gone into more details about the adjustments he made after picking the lock, but I suppose as this is made partially for the lockpicking community, he wanted to leave at least a little bit of mystery.
My main takeaway though was that yes, it is possible to make a (potentially) unpickable lock - but it's not an attack-proof lock. Vulnerabilities such as key copying or drilling out the lock still exist. I'd be curious to see somebody try to address these one day - or if anybody has any videos to share concerning these, I'd love to see them!
I'm not sure key copying or drilling could be manufactured away, since these are things you often need to be able to do for legitimate reasons and which would probably be very difficult to make impossible without impeding basic function of the lock.
Destructive techniques will always work. A cutting torch, thermal lance, grinder, etc will always win. We had a person cut around the lock and shackle to break into a container, literally left the lock fully intact, where there is a will there is a way.
Not to mention that locks are mortal objects. They eventually stop working, and there needs to be an end-of-life plan of attack. Even the stuff the US military uses to keep government secrets safe has relatively simple (if maybe loud and time-consuming) defeat methods that are specified as a matter of protocol. As in, if you want to build locks for the government, they want them to be openable even after failure.
Yeah this is part of what I meant about legitimate reasons and impeding normal function of the lock -- if the lock breaks you do usually want to be able to get it open and remove it! This is why even a pick-proof lock like this one probably isn't fit for most purposes (what if you get locked out of your apartment? It's cheaper to get back in if the locksmith can pick the lock!) Similar with preventing key-copying -- you usually want to be able to make additional keys!
Great video! Lock picking has always been an idle fascination of mine ever since I was a kid, getting into places I shouldn't have was a bit of a hobby. The thing that always struck me about most locks is how pathetic they are at their job when it comes to even the most basic attempt to circumvent them. It's cool to see how much effort goes into engineering solutions against that.
The issue is one of cost to attack ratio.
Suppose this lock is literally perfect but costs $500, who ACTUALLY needs that? Given that in 90% of use cases someone will just destructively circumvent the lock (either by attacking it directly or attacking the door/window/whatever)?
The average person basically needs locks that can't be bump key'd, and that's probably about it. The number of people who are actively going to try to pick a lock to get into a place, especially in an age of alarm systems, rather than just break the damn door down/use bolt cutters is super low.
Now granted, it doesn't help that the low low standard of "don't let it be bump key'd", is already assuming a fairly high (by industry standards...) bar of "doesn't have some absurdly fatal flaw like shimming, bypassing, using a marker, whatever".
The whole industry is full of bullshit, and it's only thanks to people like Lockpicking Lawyer popularizing this entire thing that there's at least SOME non trash options.