I think an ambitious project by one of the most powerful and currently anti-climate regimes is just what the rest of the world needs to stop messing around with half measures. I'm not a fan of...
I think an ambitious project by one of the most powerful and currently anti-climate regimes is just what the rest of the world needs to stop messing around with half measures.
I'm not a fan of Biden or the USA in particular right now but it would totally change my opinion and would make my next 4 years if they followed through with this plan, it truly would MAGA in my books. And if only to see my provincial government and other "well USA and China are doing nothing" climate deniers meltdown.
'Berta :( Born and raised, never in my almost 40 years here have I thought of living anywhere else (save for getting a dream job that required moving) but this government is something else.
'Berta :( Born and raised, never in my almost 40 years here have I thought of living anywhere else (save for getting a dream job that required moving) but this government is something else.
My kid will be starting school around the same time as the next election, if the UCP under Kenney get in again we're going to be taking a hard look at staying in this province. Having gone through...
My kid will be starting school around the same time as the next election, if the UCP under Kenney get in again we're going to be taking a hard look at staying in this province. Having gone through the crowded underfunded school system under Klien I don't want my kid experiencing that. We'll not be limiting ourselves to Canada.
Compared against Bernie's climate plan, Bidens is kind of a bland bare-minimum that would have been a decent start circa 1992. Which is roughly what I expect out of a Biden presidency. It's better...
Compared against Bernie's climate plan, Bidens is kind of a bland bare-minimum that would have been a decent start circa 1992. Which is roughly what I expect out of a Biden presidency.
It's better than the alternative, and there's some good stuff in there. But there's also a lot of weasel wording and half-measures, so I'm still skeptical.
Scanning briefly that page and this thread's page, it appears that the headline difference is this: and So 5 years earlier for Bernie, and his plan included transportation which in 2018 was 28% of...
Scanning briefly that page and this thread's page, it appears that the headline difference is this:
Bernie: Reaching 100 percent renewable energy for electricity and transportation by no later than 2030 and complete decarbonization of the economy by 2050 at latest
and
Biden: will aim to make electricity generation carbon free by 2035
So 5 years earlier for Bernie, and his plan included transportation which in 2018 was 28% of USA GHG emissions versus 27% for electricity grid.
So yeah, Biden's plan is not good enough but it's something. Need to focus on getting this old bastard in office and then push for a more radical plan because climate change is an emergency and just doing domestic electricity by 2035 ain't gonna cut it.
Worked out pretty well for first New Deal. If I'm remembering my history after that presidential term limits were introduced due to popularity. Yea, Biden's plan says a lot of the right things....
I would caution against promising revolutionary change that is unattainable as that is just going to disillusion more voters.
Worked out pretty well for first New Deal. If I'm remembering my history after that presidential term limits were introduced due to popularity.
Yea, Biden's plan says a lot of the right things. But it barely scratches the surface of what needs done. The budget amounts are minisucule. Bernie's allocation for just grants to low-moderate housing renovations are more than what Biden proposed for his whole plan. We probably need closer to 50 million homes renovated, not 1-4.
There is zero reason to not include $15 minimum wage and a jobs gareuntee to eliminate unemployment in this plan. If Republicans won't play ball, name and shame them in presidential addresses.
'If your still unemployed after this bill passes, talk to X who tanked it.'
Either way I agree it's better than nothing. But it feels an awful lot like the ACA that was pre-compromised then further gutted. Stop putting forth bland plans that get compromised to worthlessness. Start bold and work from there.
If Democrats take Congress and President, Biden's plan should be immediately scrapped in favor of Green New Deal.
This is what keeps causing me to slam my head into my desk. It's negotiation 101. You don't walk into the discussion with a proposal you've already self-compromised on. You lay out everything you...
But it feels an awful lot like the ACA that was pre-compromised then further gutted. Stop putting forth bland plans that get compromised to worthlessness. Start bold and work from there.
This is what keeps causing me to slam my head into my desk. It's negotiation 101. You don't walk into the discussion with a proposal you've already self-compromised on. You lay out everything you want, maybe even a little bit extra. You'll inevitably have to negotiate and compromise on something, why start a game of Tug of War with the middle marker already deliberately off center?
You make some really good points, and I think illustrate why politics is so frustrating to me. It's a blending of both negotiation (with other politicians) and salesmanship (selling the people on...
You make some really good points, and I think illustrate why politics is so frustrating to me. It's a blending of both negotiation (with other politicians) and salesmanship (selling the people on your idea and your ability to execute). Doing each requires different tactics, and sometimes they're at odds with one another.
So Bernie sold people on his idea, and his ability to execute it. Now he's trying to navigate through a negotiation and has had to depart from the hard-sold M4A message that he campaigned on. Rationally, I know that this is a fact of life and is just how the world works when you have to work with a diverse set of people. On the other hand, the end result isn't what I was sold on and isn't what I was excited about. So now I feel somewhat betrayed.
Can it be applied today though? According to Wikipedia, the Democrats had upwards of 58 senators to work with. That's what Obama managed at his very peak and that's not the kind of majority...
Worked out pretty well for first New Deal. If I'm remembering my history after that presidency term limits were introduced due to popularity.
Can it be applied today though? According to Wikipedia, the Democrats had upwards of 58 senators to work with. That's what Obama managed at his very peak and that's not the kind of majority we/Schumer'll be legislating with, right?
That's fair, but the weasel wording always gets me. A commitment is different from a mandate. Everything listed there should be a mandate. No federally mandated sick/vacation/parental leave is a...
That's fair, but the weasel wording always gets me.
Biden will require that companies receiving procurement contracts are using taxpayer dollars to support good American jobs, including a commitment to pay at least $15 per hour, provide paid leave, maintain fair overtime and scheduling practices, and guarantee a choice to join a union and bargain collectively.
A commitment is different from a mandate. Everything listed there should be a mandate. No federally mandated sick/vacation/parental leave is a disgrace. It's also worded as if it is operating on the assumption $15 fed minimum won't pass.
Choice to join a union also suggests allowing right-to-work to remain in place, so unions remain underfunded.
Ensure federal dollars do not flow to employers who engage in union-busting activities, participate in wage theft, or violate labor law.
How about we straight-up dismantle any employer found to be engaging in these activities? Nationalize their function if it's important, dissolve their assets to their (former?) employees if not.
Probably not, but you wanted criticism from the left, and here we are. :) Honestly, it shouldn't be that hard a sell. Employer caught stealing your wages (see countless small businesses and...
I don't think most people are going to support the federal government dismantling private companies and nationalizing their operations.
Probably not, but you wanted criticism from the left, and here we are. :)
Honestly, it shouldn't be that hard a sell. Employer caught stealing your wages (see countless small businesses and megacorps alike)? Strip them of their assets and ownership, distribute to their victims. Anything less is basically giving the companies the opportunity to do math to say 'If we don't get caught for X years, and we settle Y to keep any loudmouth's quiet, we can make Z profits.'
Nationalizing itself might be a hard sell, but maybe 'strip all owners and shareholders of any and all assets related to the company, fire all executives, and turn into worker co-op' could get broader support.
And yes, I wouldn't expect this level of policy coming out of US lawmakers any time in the next 3 decades. It's more a commentary on how soft we go on literally robbing workers.
Thanks for adding the additional info. I did see it but omitted it to save time and for brevity. It's something, but clearly not as ambitious as Bernie's plan. It's far, far more important to...
Thanks for adding the additional info. I did see it but omitted it to save time and for brevity. It's something, but clearly not as ambitious as Bernie's plan.
I think it's important to be ambitious, but also not over-promise on something that will be impossible to deliver on. I would caution against promising revolutionary change that is unattainable as that is just going to disillusion more voters.
It's far, far more important to bring a plan that will avert disaster. The science has been in for years. This shit is an emergency and nothing short of drastic action will avert disaster.
It's abundantly clear that the people of the USA are totally incapable of addressing climate change adequately. They have utterly failed at a problem 1000x as small, the coronavirus pandemic. The Biden administration cannot meet the public where they're at, and it can't accept an impotent senate.
Climate Change really is not a problem where "half-way there" solutions should be brought to public debate.
I think an ambitious project by one of the most powerful and currently anti-climate regimes is just what the rest of the world needs to stop messing around with half measures.
I'm not a fan of Biden or the USA in particular right now but it would totally change my opinion and would make my next 4 years if they followed through with this plan, it truly would MAGA in my books. And if only to see my provincial government and other "well USA and China are doing nothing" climate deniers meltdown.
'Berta :( Born and raised, never in my almost 40 years here have I thought of living anywhere else (save for getting a dream job that required moving) but this government is something else.
My kid will be starting school around the same time as the next election, if the UCP under Kenney get in again we're going to be taking a hard look at staying in this province. Having gone through the crowded underfunded school system under Klien I don't want my kid experiencing that. We'll not be limiting ourselves to Canada.
Compared against Bernie's climate plan, Bidens is kind of a bland bare-minimum that would have been a decent start circa 1992. Which is roughly what I expect out of a Biden presidency.
It's better than the alternative, and there's some good stuff in there. But there's also a lot of weasel wording and half-measures, so I'm still skeptical.
#BegrudginglyBiden2020
Scanning briefly that page and this thread's page, it appears that the headline difference is this:
and
So 5 years earlier for Bernie, and his plan included transportation which in 2018 was 28% of USA GHG emissions versus 27% for electricity grid.
So yeah, Biden's plan is not good enough but it's something. Need to focus on getting this old bastard in office and then push for a more radical plan because climate change is an emergency and just doing domestic electricity by 2035 ain't gonna cut it.
Worked out pretty well for first New Deal. If I'm remembering my history after that presidential term limits were introduced due to popularity.
Yea, Biden's plan says a lot of the right things. But it barely scratches the surface of what needs done. The budget amounts are minisucule. Bernie's allocation for just grants to low-moderate housing renovations are more than what Biden proposed for his whole plan. We probably need closer to 50 million homes renovated, not 1-4.
There is zero reason to not include $15 minimum wage and a jobs gareuntee to eliminate unemployment in this plan. If Republicans won't play ball, name and shame them in presidential addresses.
'If your still unemployed after this bill passes, talk to X who tanked it.'
Either way I agree it's better than nothing. But it feels an awful lot like the ACA that was pre-compromised then further gutted. Stop putting forth bland plans that get compromised to worthlessness. Start bold and work from there.
If Democrats take Congress and President, Biden's plan should be immediately scrapped in favor of Green New Deal.
This is what keeps causing me to slam my head into my desk. It's negotiation 101. You don't walk into the discussion with a proposal you've already self-compromised on. You lay out everything you want, maybe even a little bit extra. You'll inevitably have to negotiate and compromise on something, why start a game of Tug of War with the middle marker already deliberately off center?
You make some really good points, and I think illustrate why politics is so frustrating to me. It's a blending of both negotiation (with other politicians) and salesmanship (selling the people on your idea and your ability to execute). Doing each requires different tactics, and sometimes they're at odds with one another.
So Bernie sold people on his idea, and his ability to execute it. Now he's trying to navigate through a negotiation and has had to depart from the hard-sold M4A message that he campaigned on. Rationally, I know that this is a fact of life and is just how the world works when you have to work with a diverse set of people. On the other hand, the end result isn't what I was sold on and isn't what I was excited about. So now I feel somewhat betrayed.
for the record, Bernie is great, but #YangGang
Can it be applied today though? According to Wikipedia, the Democrats had upwards of 58 senators to work with. That's what Obama managed at his very peak and that's not the kind of majority we/Schumer'll be legislating with, right?
That's fair, but the weasel wording always gets me.
How about we straight-up dismantle any employer found to be engaging in these activities? Nationalize their function if it's important, dissolve their assets to their (former?) employees if not.
Probably not, but you wanted criticism from the left, and here we are. :)
Honestly, it shouldn't be that hard a sell. Employer caught stealing your wages (see countless small businesses and megacorps alike)? Strip them of their assets and ownership, distribute to their victims. Anything less is basically giving the companies the opportunity to do math to say 'If we don't get caught for X years, and we settle Y to keep any loudmouth's quiet, we can make Z profits.'
Nationalizing itself might be a hard sell, but maybe 'strip all owners and shareholders of any and all assets related to the company, fire all executives, and turn into worker co-op' could get broader support.
And yes, I wouldn't expect this level of policy coming out of US lawmakers any time in the next 3 decades. It's more a commentary on how soft we go on literally robbing workers.
Thanks for adding the additional info. I did see it but omitted it to save time and for brevity. It's something, but clearly not as ambitious as Bernie's plan.
It's far, far more important to bring a plan that will avert disaster. The science has been in for years. This shit is an emergency and nothing short of drastic action will avert disaster.
It's abundantly clear that the people of the USA are totally incapable of addressing climate change adequately. They have utterly failed at a problem 1000x as small, the coronavirus pandemic. The Biden administration cannot meet the public where they're at, and it can't accept an impotent senate.
Climate Change really is not a problem where "half-way there" solutions should be brought to public debate.