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Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax land value

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  1. [4]
    gowestyoungman
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    So, if I understand this correctly all lots will be taxed at 11.8%, but if it has a building built on it, then its still 11.8% for the lot but the building will only be taxed at 0.6%. So a house...

    In essence, assessors will distinguish between the value of its land and of the buildings on it. This done, the city’s property tax will be reduced from 2% for every $1 of assessed value (which is less than market value) to 0.6%. To make up for the revenues lost, land will be taxed at a new rate of 11.8%, whether or not it has anything built on it.

    So, if I understand this correctly all lots will be taxed at 11.8%, but if it has a building built on it, then its still 11.8% for the lot but the building will only be taxed at 0.6%. So a house valued at 100,000 in Detroit will only pay 600 a year for the house, but it it sits on a lot worth 25,000 thats another 2950 for a total of 3550 in property tax. But the speculator sitting on a lot next door, big enough to build a condo is going to be paying that 11.8% on his million dollar lot while it sits, so 118,000 taxes a year for nothing. The idea being to shift the burden of taxes to ALL land owners, whether they having a building or not and make it too expensive to just sit on expensively taxed empty property.

    Guess that makes sense.

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    1. MimicSquid
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      I would really really like to see something like this in the Bay Area. There's chunks of the city where two or three houses per block have sat abandoned for literal decades through multiple owners...

      I would really really like to see something like this in the Bay Area. There's chunks of the city where two or three houses per block have sat abandoned for literal decades through multiple owners because the value of the land keeps appreciating, and a worthless house doesn't cost barely anything in property taxes. So you have someone using it as an investment vehicle while the property is a blight on the neighborhood. A land tax would fix that up right quick. There were attempts at taxing properties that were left vacant, but that comes with administrative overhead to identify and fine those properties, whereas a land tax doesn't come with the same sort of need for administration.

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    2. merry-cherry
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      Yes that is the goal. Basically it encourages higher value land use. So a high-rise is no longer a horrible burden compared to an open air parking lot. The high-rise would still pay more in taxes,...

      Yes that is the goal. Basically it encourages higher value land use. So a high-rise is no longer a horrible burden compared to an open air parking lot. The high-rise would still pay more in taxes, but they should be able to extract more value as well. So land owners are encouraged to upscale their land use and land squatters are no longer eating free.

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    3. vord
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      I think total for building + land was 12.4%, otherwise I think you are correct.

      I think total for building + land was 12.4%, otherwise I think you are correct.

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  2. [3]
    fxgn
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    From the vantage point of a new apartment on the 33rd floor of the Book Tower, a stunning 1920s Italian-Renaissance-style skyscraper in downtown Detroit, two aspects of the city are visible. Look south-east, towards Canada, and you see a skyline thick with cranes. New towers are shooting up, old ones being rebuilt, and the pavements below are thick with pedestrians. Cross to the other bedroom, however, and you get quite a different view. Right up to the edge of a highway entire city blocks are occupied by nothing but tarmac. At 11am an ocean of surface parking is uninterrupted by even a single car.

    Just over a decade ago Detroit became the biggest American city to go bankrupt. Since then its city centre has made a remarkable recovery. The Book Tower, which was completely derelict in 2009, has been rebuilt at a cost of over $300m by Bedrock, a property firm owned by Dan Gilbert, Michigan’s richest man. Yet though downtown is humming, huge parts of the city remain blighted.

    The city now has a more ambitious plan to reduce the amount of vacant land. It intends to tax it. A lot. Will it work?

    The idea, proposed by Mike Duggan, the city’s pugnacious mayor, is to replace Detroit’s current property tax with a split tax. In essence, assessors will distinguish between the value of its land and of the buildings on it. This done, the city’s property tax will be reduced from 2% for every $1 of assessed value (which is less than market value) to 0.6%. To make up for the revenues lost, land will be taxed at a new rate of 11.8%, whether or not it has anything built on it. In Michigan changes to property-tax rates have to be approved by voters. A law to allow that cleared its first hurdle in the state House in late September. A referendum could happen in February.

    The principle of taxing land instead of buildings has a long history. Over a century ago Henry George, a liberal economist, argued that the rich used land ownership to hoard the wealth being created by progress. His most dedicated fans adopted the slogan “Do you see the cat?” (based on a convoluted metaphor), to refer to his ideas that land ownership underpinned high inequality. Yet George’s proposal—a single tax on land value—has barely been tried. If Mr Duggan’s scheme becomes law, Detroit will be one of the first big cities anywhere in the world to implement one.

    How come Detroit is able to try something so radical? One advantage, says Jay Rising, the city’s chief financial officer, is that the city now raises very little from its current system. In 1959, according to a study by the Lincoln Institute of Land Policy, a think-tank in Massachusetts, the city’s property tax raised over $1bn, adjusted for inflation. By 2019, after decades of economic decline, the figure had fallen to just $119m. “If this was 80% of our revenues, we’d be a lot more nervous,” says Mr Rising. In fact it is just 16%. Moreover, the value of residential land is very low, which makes it an easier sell to voters.

    The hope is that taxing land more will in fact spur development. Right now, says Alex Alsup of Regrid, a data firm, Detroit has “a very pure version of speculation”. As downtown booms, people who bought land nearby years ago—such as the owners of the car parks—merely have to wait for investment nearby to raise the value of their own land. Higher taxes might force them to sell up to people who will build on it. “It is entirely possible that this land tax has the ability to free up properties,” says Kofi Bonner, the ceo of Bedrock.

    The bigger immediate benefit, though, comes from reducing taxes on most residents. The city argues that 97% of homeowners will get a tax cut. Lower tax rates on improvements ought to encourage people to invest in properties—and help some avoid falling behind on their taxes. Though they raise little, Detroit’s property taxes are punishing to poor homeowners. Between 2011 and 2015, according to a study published in 2019, one in four city properties went into tax foreclosure, their owners having fallen behind on payments.

    But Bernadette Atuahene, one of the authors of that study, suggests that high rates were not the only problem. What mattered more was that after the great financial crisis, Detroit’s assessor systematically overvalued the homes of the poorest residents. When people could not pay, Wayne County, which includes the city, added interest at 18%. Homes ended up auctioned, with any excess over the tax owed banked by the county. Ms Atuahene worries that the proposed new tax does nothing to fix this problem—and if residential land ends up overvalued, may exacerbate it. “We currently have an assessment division that’s not doing its job,” she says.

    Getting assessments right is one of the long-standing challenges of land-value taxes, and explains why they are so rare. Still, if the city can do that well, there will be real gains. Gabriel McNeil, a 61-year-old former chef who now lives on disability benefits, says that even a small tax cut would help him a lot. Having bought his home for just $8,000 in 2013, he struggles with tax payments of thousands of dollars each year. “The property tax is not designed for lower-income people at all,” he says. “It’s not easy to keep up.” For some, any cut is better than nothing.

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      turmacar
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      Georgism is the philosophy that inspired "The Landlord's Game" that eventually became Monopoly. The original point of which was more or less "it kind of sucks that there can only be one 'winner'"....

      Henry George

      Georgism is the philosophy that inspired "The Landlord's Game" that eventually became Monopoly. The original point of which was more or less "it kind of sucks that there can only be one 'winner'".

      Interesting to see it coming back around. Their idea seems pretty solid to stop people/corporations squatting on undeveloped land.

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      1. fxgn
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        Yes, I'm really interested in Georgism and I think it is a nice solution to many problems, so I'm glad it's finally getting tried properly

        Yes, I'm really interested in Georgism and I think it is a nice solution to many problems, so I'm glad it's finally getting tried properly

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  3. [6]
    Haplox
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    Yeah something needs to be done about all the empty parking lots in Detroit. It's going through a bit of a renaissance currently but all the empty lots are just a blight on the city. I went...

    Yeah something needs to be done about all the empty parking lots in Detroit. It's going through a bit of a renaissance currently but all the empty lots are just a blight on the city. I went downtown for a Saturday night show and there was multiple large concerts and events going on. When we parked there was 3 other cars in the lot and all of the other lots we passed were 90% empty.

    5 votes
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      OBLIVIATER
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      It would be wild if Detroit managed to pull out a comeback story after the hell its been through. If they can do something about the massive swaths of abandoned homes, it'd be a great success.

      It would be wild if Detroit managed to pull out a comeback story after the hell its been through. If they can do something about the massive swaths of abandoned homes, it'd be a great success.

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      1. supergauntlet
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        I think Detroit is poised for it. Market forces in the coming decades are going to force people closer just out of sheer necessity - car culture as it exists is wildly unsustainable, living in...

        I think Detroit is poised for it. Market forces in the coming decades are going to force people closer just out of sheer necessity - car culture as it exists is wildly unsustainable, living in walking distance to the things you care about is just more convenient, large cities have been widening their life expectancy gap over small cities and rural areas.

        There's much to be done, but if Detroit's land value tax idea works it could revitalize SE MI. And if we get high speed rail to Chicago...

        There's a certain irony in the city that was so destroyed by white flight also being at the forefront of reurbanization. But I think if anything the lessons of the past 50 years have been beaten very hard into Detroit and its surrounding areas. If anyone is going to learn from them, why not us?

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    2. [3]
      UP8
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      If people can’t pay the taxes on all the vacant land I guess it will go to a foreclosure auction?

      If people can’t pay the taxes on all the vacant land I guess it will go to a foreclosure auction?

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        TanyaJLaird
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        Or they could just sell it to someone who will actually use the land. That's what such a tax system is intended to do. The core principal is that there is only so much land available, doubly so in...

        Or they could just sell it to someone who will actually use the land. That's what such a tax system is intended to do. The core principal is that there is only so much land available, doubly so in high-demand areas. And speculators sitting on undeveloped or underdeveloped land is not a victimless crime; it drives up the housing costs for everyone in the city. Alternately, if the owners of vacant land don't want to sell, they can build something on the land that will generate sufficient revenue to cover the taxes.

        Sometimes taxes do have tragic outcomes, like fixed-income retirees losing their homes. But this is the exact opposite. Here the relative tax burden on occupied homes is going down, while that of unoccupied lots is going up. If grandma loses her home because she can't afford the tax burden, then I have sympathy for her. If grandma is forced to sell the vacant lot she's been holding empty since the Nixon administration, then I have little sympathy for her.

        Pretty much the only case I can think of where this might have negative consequences would be something like an informal community garden. Maybe someone has a vacant lot they're using for speculation, and in the meantime they let people plant a garden on it. Even if someone would rent a lot just for garden space, it's unlikely that rent would be sufficient for the land tax bill. However, this downside can be ameliorated by converting such parcels to nonprofit charities/land trusts. If someone owns a lot and really wants to use it for a community garden, they can donate it to a nonprofit group, which will not be taxed.

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        1. UP8
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          I think the level of vacancies in Detroit are such that not all the land gets developed right away unless there is some miracle like Americans decide to stop moving away from places with water to...

          I think the level of vacancies in Detroit are such that not all the land gets developed right away unless there is some miracle like Americans decide to stop moving away from places with water to places without any water.

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