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Florida surgeon general rejects FDA guidance, urges people under 65 not to get Covid booster

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    unkz
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    He’s an idiot who also promoted hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, and unsurprisingly rejects the medical community consensus on gender affirming care. He only picked up his position by posting...

    He’s an idiot who also promoted hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, and unsurprisingly rejects the medical community consensus on gender affirming care. He only picked up his position by posting absurd opeds which excited DeSantis, since it’s almost impossible to find any educated health professional who agrees with all this nonsense at once.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ladapo

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    1. devilized
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      Shouldn't a guy like that who is actively promoting dangerous medical misinformation lose his license to practice medicine?

      Shouldn't a guy like that who is actively promoting dangerous medical misinformation lose his license to practice medicine?

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  2. Amun
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    Arek Sarkissian //Warning// Please fact check any information concerning Covid-19 and vaccines - Misinformation and Disinformation: Thinking Critically about Information Sources FDA officials have...

    Arek Sarkissian


    //Warning// Please fact check any information concerning Covid-19 and vaccines - Misinformation and Disinformation: Thinking Critically about Information Sources

    Gov. Ron DeSantis’ hand-picked surgeon general on Wednesday warned healthy adults under the age of 65 against taking a new Covid-19 booster, contradicting the Centers for Disease Control and Food and Drug Administration.

    Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo, speaking during a roundtable that DeSantis hosted, said that after three years of Covid, most healthy people don’t need to worry about getting infected from a virus that has killed more than 1 million people across the country. Ladapo is a well-known vaccine skeptic who has claimed some shots pose risks to healthy young men.

    “With the amount of immunity that’s in the community — with virtually every walking human being having some degree of immunity, and with the questions we have about safety and about effectiveness, especially about safety, my judgment is that it’s not a good decision for young people and for people who are not at high risk at this point in the pandemic,” he said.

    In his new guidance, Ladapo wants doctors to inform patients about alleged risks found in studies. “They should not be misled into thinking the clinical trials of the boosters are indicating that they’ll benefit,” Ladapo said.

    “In general, they’re cherry-picking data and facts and science,” Salmon said. “And I think that they’re there, because they don’t want to recommend this vaccine for Florida.”

    Jason Salemi, an epidemiology professor at the University of South Florida College of Public Health, said there are plenty of credible studies showing that healthy people under the age of 65 are still at risk of death from Covid-19.

    As his campaign for president struggles to gain traction, DeSantis has attempted to capitalize on an uptick in Covid-19 cases — and the FDA approving a new round of boosters — by criticizing familiar targets like Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s former top infectious disease expert.

    Covid also provides DeSantis an opportunity to separate himself from former President Donald Trump, who is leading all Republican presidential hopefuls by wide margins.

    FDA officials have stated publicly that the booster had been thoroughly reviewed and tested for safety.

    “The public can be assured that these updated vaccines have met the agency’s rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality,” wrote Peter Marks, director of the FDA Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, in a statement released by the agency Monday. “We very much encourage those who are eligible to consider getting vaccinated.”

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    Arthur
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    In the UK currently almost nobody is even able to get the vaccine at the moment. According to the NHS website, As I understand it, those being offered a seasonal booster are over 65s,...

    In the UK currently almost nobody is even able to get the vaccine at the moment. According to the NHS website,

    Only children aged 6 months to 4 years old who are at increased risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19 can currently get a COVID-19 vaccine.

    You may be able to get a seasonal COVID-19 vaccine in autumn 2023 if you're at increased risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19. For example, this may be due to a health condition or your age. The NHS will contact you if your NHS record suggests you may be eligible.

    As I understand it, those being offered a seasonal booster are over 65s, immunocompromised people, and some other groups. The vast majority of UK citizens will not even have access to the vaccine even if they wanted it.

    There are of course anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers in the UK, but this issue is much less heavily politicised than in the US. This article feels very politically motivated to me. I'm not exactly sure why I feel that, but maybe sombody else can help me here.

    I'm not an expert in these things, and I'm not going to pretend to be. The experts in my country have decided they are happy not to offer the vaccine to the general public, and I'll have to trust them on that. From what I can see, this hasn't sparked any debate either politically or from public health experts, which again pushes me towards the inclination that this is a political matter and not a public health matter in the US, but I don't really know. I'd love to hear what others think about this.

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    1. unkz
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      Something to keep in mind is the correct advice is dependent on the environment. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations If you graph the UK vs US for fully vaccinated people relative to...

      Something to keep in mind is the correct advice is dependent on the environment.

      https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

      If you graph the UK vs US for fully vaccinated people relative to population, at the point where the UK stats end, UK = 75.19% and US = 67.91%. So there's a substantial difference between the populations -- the US needs more vaccinations to achieve the level of herd immunity that the UK has.

      I don't know if that's the reason for the policy difference though.

      However, the key difference between the positions is the UK doesn't think it's necessary for younger people to vaccinate, while this guy claims vaccination for young people is dangerous.

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    2. wobbling
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      There's definitely a difference in the UK, but there is active debate politically and in public health in the UK. Last week in the Guardian there was an article specifically about political and...

      There's definitely a difference in the UK, but there is active debate politically and in public health in the UK.

      Last week in the Guardian there was an article specifically about political and public health feedback.
      It includes political opposition

      Members of the all-party parliamentary group on coronavirus, led by Layla Moran, a Liberal Democrat MP, called on Sunak to consider extending the booster programme this autumn to more groups, such as people aged 50 to 64, and to help make the Covid jab publicly available to buy privately, like the flu vaccine.

      Public health experts also chimed in

      Prof Lawrence Young, a virologist at the University of Warwick, said the government should “absolutely” extend the eligibility of Covid vaccines to over-50s, and also consider offering them to all adults.

      It does seem to be more about cost and risk of disease than the Florida article where the anti-vaccine argument is simply lying about the science and epidemiology, but there's still debate about booster coverage and public health tradeoffs in the UK.

      2 votes
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      rosco
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      My hot take is that we remove the FEMA subsidies from the flood insurance market. We can even do it in a prolonged rollout (i.e. when the property is sold or changes hands it can no longer get new...

      My hot take is that we remove the FEMA subsidies from the flood insurance market. We can even do it in a prolonged rollout (i.e. when the property is sold or changes hands it can no longer get new subsidized flood insurance), which would likely lead to a spiking number of folks participating in the FEMA property buyout program, which in turn could lead to planned retreat. No mandates, no leaving folks out on their ass, and a feasible way to attend to sea level rise and ecosystem loss.

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        nukeman
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        I still feel like houses no longer having coverage upon sale would cause the value to plummet unless it was already fortified against storms, causing less wealthy folks to lose out.

        I still feel like houses no longer having coverage upon sale would cause the value to plummet unless it was already fortified against storms, causing less wealthy folks to lose out.

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        1. rosco
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          FEMA buyouts usually take property value of the pre-valuation into account when the purchase. The idea is to prevent folks from losing their shirt over natural disasters.

          FEMA buyouts usually take property value of the pre-valuation into account when the purchase. The idea is to prevent folks from losing their shirt over natural disasters.

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