Thank God for companies like Juul, who only have the health of the population at heart and aren't at all profiting off of a deadly and addictive drug.
"This full prohibition will drive former adult smokers who successfully switched to vapor products back to deadly cigarettes, deny the opportunity to switch for current adult smokers, and create a thriving black market instead of addressing the actual causes of underage access and use," writes Juul spokesman Ted Kwong.
Thank God for companies like Juul, who only have the health of the population at heart and aren't at all profiting off of a deadly and addictive drug.
He's not entirely wrong though. Clearly there is a crisis of underage nicotine addiction, but San Francisco (seems like a lot of super liberal cities) have a problem with addressing issues head...
He's not entirely wrong though.
Clearly there is a crisis of underage nicotine addiction, but San Francisco (seems like a lot of super liberal cities) have a problem with addressing issues head on. This is just the easy way out.
I am curious what is going to happen to these young kids with nicotine addictions, will they start using tobacco products? I suppose the draw of vaping is the ease of use and it tastes nice. It's hard to say, maybe some kids will kick it, and maybe some will just move to tobacco products. Who knows. Most likely however, kids are still going to get a hold of it, just more of a pain.
What is it that started the decrease in high school kids smoking tobacco products? Maybe we should emulate that process? Was it a mix of education and enforcement? Or was it just time, did cigarettes just stop being cool?
Honestly it's not SF's job to address this issue head on. They make this point in the article: Municipal governments don't have the infrastructure to do clinical trials and medical research to vet...
but San Francisco (seems like a lot of super liberal cities) have a problem with addressing issues head on.
Honestly it's not SF's job to address this issue head on. They make this point in the article:
"This temporary moratorium wouldn't be necessary if the federal government had done its job," says Herrera. "E-cigarettes are a product that, by law, are not allowed on the market without FDA review. For some reason, the FDA has so far refused to follow the law. If the federal government is not going to act, San Francisco will."
Municipal governments don't have the infrastructure to do clinical trials and medical research to vet these things and establish what risk factors (if any) are associated with their use.
Most likely however, kids are still going to get a hold of it, just more of a pain.
We know from experience that increasing inconvenience and expense is a major factor in preventing kids from experimenting with stuff like this. Cigarette smoking tanked among kids before vaping became cool, in large part, because we taxed the shit out of them. Other contributors involved running ads that explicitly made it seem uncool, removing positive depictions of smoking from mass media/pop culture, and banning youth-targeted advertising.
A funny aside, my cousin threw his son a party to celebrate his graduation from college and it was a big to-do so I was hanging out with some high school seniors and early college/post college kids for the first time in oh. . . 10 years. One of the college grads accepts a hit from a juul that one of the High School kids offers and immediately goes "WTF This isn't weed! Are you smoking nicotine!?" with an expression of total disgust. They're only about 4 or 5 years apart, but it seems like the culture shifted pretty dramatically to making it ok to smoke again and I think Juul's marketing plays a big part in that.
I've seen a lot of people claim that Juul's marketing and product design is the reason for an increase in underage use. If not that then what is the reason?
the actual causes of underage access and use
I've seen a lot of people claim that Juul's marketing and product design is the reason for an increase in underage use. If not that then what is the reason?
I'm curious. Why don't they ban the sale of cigarettes too at the same time? I mean it seems silly that a product that's largely advertised as a "healthier" option to smokes is now getting banned...
I'm curious. Why don't they ban the sale of cigarettes too at the same time? I mean it seems silly that a product that's largely advertised as a "healthier" option to smokes is now getting banned but the reason they exist isn't. I'm not a banning kind of guy and I smoke cigarettes myself but why not just go all the way?
This is just stupid, even for "Land of the Free™" measures. The problem is that stores sell e-cigarettes to minors, which is caused by stores not abiding to laws prohibiting the selling of...
This is just stupid, even for "Land of the Free™" measures. The problem is that stores sell e-cigarettes to minors, which is caused by stores not abiding to laws prohibiting the selling of e-cigarettes to minors. The solution to this problem is to enforce the exisiting laws (or modify them so that they are easier to enforce) and not to create new laws. These are just increasing the workload of law enforcement agencies and overall allocate less ressources to the original problem (minors smoking) by redirecting ressources to a new cause (prohibiting adults from using e-cigarettes).
Also, as a non smoker, I absolutely hate the smell of cigarettes and am often forced to "passively" smoke in public places (smoking in public is very common in germany where I live). The vapor from e-cigarettes is certainly not healthy, but is it very likely that they are healthier than cigarettes, which is something that non-smokers appreciate.
And smelling a mango-peach flavoured vapour doesn't ruin my day like the smell from cigarettes.
Also a non-smoker but I've got to say the clouds of sickly sweet mango-peach/orange/new york cheese cake flavoured vapour, that I find myself walking through day after day, make me feel far more...
Also a non-smoker but I've got to say the clouds of sickly sweet mango-peach/orange/new york cheese cake flavoured vapour, that I find myself walking through day after day, make me feel far more nauseous than cigarette smell. Although in the slightly less tobacco obsessed island of the UK (mainland Europe LOVES to smoke!), it's not something I have to deal with that often. Smoking isn't cool here any more.
Thank God for companies like Juul, who only have the health of the population at heart and aren't at all profiting off of a deadly and addictive drug.
He's not entirely wrong though.
Clearly there is a crisis of underage nicotine addiction, but San Francisco (seems like a lot of super liberal cities) have a problem with addressing issues head on. This is just the easy way out.
I am curious what is going to happen to these young kids with nicotine addictions, will they start using tobacco products? I suppose the draw of vaping is the ease of use and it tastes nice. It's hard to say, maybe some kids will kick it, and maybe some will just move to tobacco products. Who knows. Most likely however, kids are still going to get a hold of it, just more of a pain.
What is it that started the decrease in high school kids smoking tobacco products? Maybe we should emulate that process? Was it a mix of education and enforcement? Or was it just time, did cigarettes just stop being cool?
Honestly it's not SF's job to address this issue head on. They make this point in the article:
Municipal governments don't have the infrastructure to do clinical trials and medical research to vet these things and establish what risk factors (if any) are associated with their use.
We know from experience that increasing inconvenience and expense is a major factor in preventing kids from experimenting with stuff like this. Cigarette smoking tanked among kids before vaping became cool, in large part, because we taxed the shit out of them. Other contributors involved running ads that explicitly made it seem uncool, removing positive depictions of smoking from mass media/pop culture, and banning youth-targeted advertising.
A funny aside, my cousin threw his son a party to celebrate his graduation from college and it was a big to-do so I was hanging out with some high school seniors and early college/post college kids for the first time in oh. . . 10 years. One of the college grads accepts a hit from a juul that one of the High School kids offers and immediately goes "WTF This isn't weed! Are you smoking nicotine!?" with an expression of total disgust. They're only about 4 or 5 years apart, but it seems like the culture shifted pretty dramatically to making it ok to smoke again and I think Juul's marketing plays a big part in that.
I've seen a lot of people claim that Juul's marketing and product design is the reason for an increase in underage use. If not that then what is the reason?
I'm curious. Why don't they ban the sale of cigarettes too at the same time? I mean it seems silly that a product that's largely advertised as a "healthier" option to smokes is now getting banned but the reason they exist isn't. I'm not a banning kind of guy and I smoke cigarettes myself but why not just go all the way?
This is just stupid, even for "Land of the Free™" measures. The problem is that stores sell e-cigarettes to minors, which is caused by stores not abiding to laws prohibiting the selling of e-cigarettes to minors. The solution to this problem is to enforce the exisiting laws (or modify them so that they are easier to enforce) and not to create new laws. These are just increasing the workload of law enforcement agencies and overall allocate less ressources to the original problem (minors smoking) by redirecting ressources to a new cause (prohibiting adults from using e-cigarettes).
Also, as a non smoker, I absolutely hate the smell of cigarettes and am often forced to "passively" smoke in public places (smoking in public is very common in germany where I live). The vapor from e-cigarettes is certainly not healthy, but is it very likely that they are healthier than cigarettes, which is something that non-smokers appreciate.
And smelling a mango-peach flavoured vapour doesn't ruin my day like the smell from cigarettes.
Also a non-smoker but I've got to say the clouds of sickly sweet mango-peach/orange/new york cheese cake flavoured vapour, that I find myself walking through day after day, make me feel far more nauseous than cigarette smell. Although in the slightly less tobacco obsessed island of the UK (mainland Europe LOVES to smoke!), it's not something I have to deal with that often. Smoking isn't cool here any more.