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How mental health became a social media minefield

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  1. [7]
    cloud_loud
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    I quickly want to point out how I recently posted a comment on a thread here about how I find these people ridiculous. Along with other extremely online behavior that I find annoying and generally...

    a video where “cakegender” was given its own pride flag meant to represent “people who feel light and fluffy.”

    I quickly want to point out how I recently posted a comment on a thread here about how I find these people ridiculous. Along with other extremely online behavior that I find annoying and generally am not accepting of. And some of the response I got, which is the usual response I get now since I've ceased my extremely online behavior, is similar to what this article describes in this following passage:

    It’s difficult to talk about this sort of discursive overreach without sounding like a far-right reactionary; indeed, criticisms of over-pathologization have come from conservatives who argue that, to generalize, it’s all just a bunch of self-obsessed liberal snowflake eggheads. “One of the biggest problems is that the far right has correctly identified that this is happening — that the discourse and identity policing has gotten out of control,” Moskowitz tells me, to the point where it becomes hard for others to push back against it without sounding as though you’re siding with an ideology they don’t adhere to. “There needs to be a strong, leftist stance of ‘we’re not going to do this identity-pathology policing thing anymore, but that doesn’t make us reactionaries.’”

    I guess I would be considered a leftist, but I don't particularly like associating with online leftist circles since they're usually LARPers or dumb teenagers trying on different ideologies. So I tend to call myself a liberal (which is the truth anyway since Social Democrats are liberals), in order to avoid being clumped in with all that. Part of the reason I do that now is because it's easier not to get cancelled for not being hyper-accepting of everything or for criticizing individuals who fall into specific categories. I've briefly talked about how I got cancelled on leftist twitter, the reason I got cancelled was because I said a specific twitter account was unfunny. It so happened that this person was a woman. So then I got called an incel for saying that, and how I only said that because deep down I have a hatred for women. To boil it down, I one-hundred percent agree with this.

    11 votes
    1. [5]
      NaraVara
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      There was some startup that developed an app designed to bookmark and save recipes, but it used some ML to distill it down to just the ingredients and steps. They announced this on Twitter and...

      There was some startup that developed an app designed to bookmark and save recipes, but it used some ML to distill it down to just the ingredients and steps.

      They announced this on Twitter and immediately got dogged on Twitter as hating Women and POCs for wanting to remove their testimonials from the recipes.

      Never mind that the only reason for the testimonials is for SEO! Anyway they had to cancel the launch because of how toxic the reception was.

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      1. Grzmot
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        Twitter is such a weird microcosm of the internet. I fucking hate those life stories that are pages long in front of my recipe and I love every creator who provides a convinient "jump to recipe...

        Twitter is such a weird microcosm of the internet. I fucking hate those life stories that are pages long in front of my recipe and I love every creator who provides a convinient "jump to recipe button" for me to skip it. For people to get mad about an app removing them is so strange, like nothing is stopping you from going to the recipe and just reading it if you care that much..?

        5 votes
      2. [3]
        mtset
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        SEO is not the only reason for those testimonials - it is necessary for copyright protection. According to copyright.gov:

        SEO is not the only reason for those testimonials - it is necessary for copyright protection. According to copyright.gov:

        A mere listing of ingredients is not protected under copyright law. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a collection of recipes as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection.

        4 votes
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          NaraVara
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          Explanation and directions should be sufficient. Even the slightest bit of side comments or annotation would be enough. There’s no need for a multi-paragraph essay to accompany it. What’s funny is...

          Explanation and directions should be sufficient. Even the slightest bit of side comments or annotation would be enough. There’s no need for a multi-paragraph essay to accompany it.

          What’s funny is that the essays accompanying recipes can be fine as long as the recipe is clearly described and easy to find and the content itself is good. One of my favorite (and now mostly inert) blogs was Local Milk, where she made a point of actually writing something interesting about the recipe in question along with some beautiful photography.

          But most stuff that trends online is content-mill tier garbage that just spends multiple paragraphs in some personal side story that has nothing to do with anything.

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          1. mtset
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            Sure - I'm not saying it's all good, just that it's there for a pretty specific, non-SEO reason. Lots of people write lots of bad copy for non-SEO related reasons.

            Sure - I'm not saying it's all good, just that it's there for a pretty specific, non-SEO reason. Lots of people write lots of bad copy for non-SEO related reasons.

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    2. corleone
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      It comes as no surprise that activists of any persuasion often make the same mistakes they perceive as negative on those they're opposed to. "The others are biased, not us". Group phenomena are...

      It comes as no surprise that activists of any persuasion often make the same mistakes they perceive as negative on those they're opposed to. "The others are biased, not us". Group phenomena are inescapable. Groups are both admirable in their power to lead progress, and terrifying for the inevitable casualties they must cause in the process.

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  2. NaraVara
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    The headline is actually less expansive than the article, which goes into not just mental health but the generally corrosive effects of being overfixated on categorization, gatekeeping, and...

    The headline is actually less expansive than the article, which goes into not just mental health but the generally corrosive effects of being overfixated on categorization, gatekeeping, and self-pathologizing. It is yet another in a growing drumbeat of articles hinting there is something foul about how the internet works today but still not conclusive about a grander unified theory about what exactly that "something" is.

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