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The 12th-century military disaster that forever changed global finance

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  1. [3]
    CptBluebear
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    It also had a hand in helping their nonagenarian Doge decide the fourth crusade should really besiege Constantinople instead of Jerusalem. So he could get his money's worth of course. I'll have to...

    It also had a hand in helping their nonagenarian Doge decide the fourth crusade should really besiege Constantinople instead of Jerusalem. So he could get his money's worth of course.

    I'll have to read the article again in more depth to fully parse everything, but the first bond market is quite a claim.

    7 votes
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      chundissimo
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      This just made me read about the Fourth Crusade. I had no idea it was such a mess!

      This just made me read about the Fourth Crusade. I had no idea it was such a mess!

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      1. CptBluebear
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        And we aren't sure how much of it was planned. I'm fairly confident it was decided early on by some blokes in France who decided to reel in Venice with the promise of paying for the transport of...

        And we aren't sure how much of it was planned. I'm fairly confident it was decided early on by some blokes in France who decided to reel in Venice with the promise of paying for the transport of 70k troops to "Egypt" and then hoodwink all the pilgrims into assaulting Christian cities instead of Egyptian Muslims by propping up a pretender to the throne.
        Multiple messages from the pope and other high ranking papal officials condemning the attack on fellow Christians were suppressed just so they could do it anyway.

        Venice wasn't a passive bystander either. Once it became clear they weren't getting paid by the "70k" Pilgrims (it ended up being like 15-20k after the Frankish lying) they were fine with looting the City of World's Desire. The 90+ year old Doge made sure he got paid too. Crafty old bastard.
        Not that it did his country much good, they lost their primary trading hub and had to recover for decades.

        What a mess indeed.

        5 votes
  2. skybrian
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    From the article: [...] [...] [...]

    From the article:

    The birth of the bond market started with a ruthless multinational raid that sent shock waves through the Mediterranean. On the morning of March 12, 1171, the Byzantine emperor’s soldiers suddenly rounded up every Venetian man, woman, and child they could find throughout their lands, seized their shops, wares, and ships, and threw the owners in jail. Over 10,000 people in Constantinople alone were rounded up, and more than 20,000 overall — so many that monasteries were requisitioned to handle the overflow. The raids were a consequence of more than a century of rising tensions between Constantinople and its nominal vassal in northern Italy.

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    The Italian statelets typically taxed modestly and covered larger expenditures with ad hoc loans. These were often backed by security in a specified state asset or revenue stream, such as toll receipts. For example, in 1164, Venice had borrowed about 270 kilograms of silver from a dozen of its wealthiest families, and in return granted them 11 years’ worth of its income from the Rialto market. But the scale of the navy needed to take its own sovereign down a peg meant that heading down to the Rialto market to hit up its moneylenders wouldn’t suffice.

    The doge had a drastic solution. He divided the city into six districts, systematically assessed the wealth of its citizens, and forced them to hand over the money Venice needed for its fleet. But rather than a straightforward one-off war tax, it would be a loan, albeit an involuntary one. Venice promised to pay its citizens 5% a year until the debt could be repaid. Crucially, the receipts of the prestiti — the plural of prestito, or loan — were made tradable, so a citizen who needed to raise money could sell their claim to someone else at a discount if necessary.

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    Then disaster struck. The moored Venetian fleet at Chios was hit by the plague, with more than a thousand men dying in just the first few days. It desperately started moving from one Greek island to the next, but remained just as blighted by disease. Then the Venetian ambassadors returned from Constantinople with bad news: The emperor had refused to even see them.

    With his armada slowly dying and no longer a credible threat to Constantinople, Doge Vitale returned to Venice with what remained of the fleet in May 1172.

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    Another oddity that persisted for a long time afterward was the loan that Venice had imposed on its citizens. Shut out from Byzantine ports — it would take almost two decades to reach a truce with Constantinople and get the prisoners released — and financially stricken by the failed venture, Venice did not have the wherewithal to repay the prestiti as planned. What was initially an involuntary emergency loan in practice became a permanent mountain of state debt.

    Venice did maintain the 5% interest payments, setting aside tax revenue from the Rialto stalls to cover them. To reassure its anxious creditor-citizens, transparent records of all revenues and payments were maintained by Venice’s Procurator of Saint Mark — a kind of deputy-doge-cum-finance-minister. Eventually this job went to the city’s Great Council, reinforcing its importance. This body was dominated by the city’s wealthiest families, who as both creditors and citizens had an interest in ensuring that Venice did not simply abrogate its debts as many absolute monarchs around Europe often did, ruining many banking houses in the process. Whenever a new war or financial emergency broke out, the Great Council would mandate the issuance of new prestiti.

    The credibility of the regular and fixed interest payment, coupled with the tradeability of the debt, transformed what was initially an annoying reminder of Venice’s humiliation into a monument to its commercial genius.

    Now, anyone in Venice could take money they had saved up and convert it into a future cash flow — perhaps to secure some income for when they retired, endow a charity, or give away as a dowry. They could use the prestiti as collateral for other loans, or as surety for goods. And if they needed to get back their money — or were worried about the solvency of Venice — they could head down to the Rialto market and sell their claims to the bankers, speculators, and merchants who had started to actively trade the prestiti there.

    3 votes
  3. [5]
    ocean-hai
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    This is the same time that capitalism started, I am sure.

    This is the same time that capitalism started, I am sure.

    1 vote
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      MimicSquid
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      There weren't corporations as such, though there were multi-generational family businesses. It was mostly still a feudal model of ownership of the means of production. Even in a republic like...

      There weren't corporations as such, though there were multi-generational family businesses. It was mostly still a feudal model of ownership of the means of production. Even in a republic like Venice, ownership was personal or familial.

      2 votes
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        ocean-hai
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        It’s a common argument in the field of history that capitalism began in Venice and Genoa. Yes, they were not corporations. I am not sure how to respond to the rest because it is unclear what point...

        It’s a common argument in the field of history that capitalism began in Venice and Genoa. Yes, they were not corporations. I am not sure how to respond to the rest because it is unclear what point you seek to make.

        1 vote
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          MimicSquid
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          I think I'm trying to draw a line between capitalism and feudalism that doesn't really exist when minor lords without significant landholdings start running things that look like a business. Don't...

          I think I'm trying to draw a line between capitalism and feudalism that doesn't really exist when minor lords without significant landholdings start running things that look like a business. Don't mind me.

          2 votes
          1. ocean-hai
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            I have a book in mind on this topic, I will try to find it. You are surely pointing at something true but I am unsure of the timeline.

            I have a book in mind on this topic, I will try to find it. You are surely pointing at something true but I am unsure of the timeline.

            1 vote