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Do our moral beliefs need to be consistent?

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    Promonk
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    I'm sorry, but this is a really dumb argument. The supposed inconsistencies the author describes aren't inconsistent with anything but the shallow moral premises they concoct themselves. Take the...

    I'm sorry, but this is a really dumb argument. The supposed inconsistencies the author describes aren't inconsistent with anything but the shallow moral premises they concoct themselves.

    Take the example of epileptics being barred from driving. The author relates this to a moral premise that "everyone should be treated the same." Only a child–or someone building a rhetorical strawman–would accept this premise. Anyone who's given a minute's thought to morality and ethics knows that equity is at the heart of a rational moral framework rather than equality. Take "treat people the same where they are the same, and differently where they are different" as your bedrock principle and suddenly there's no inconsistency in revoking the driving privileges of epileptics: epileptics are treated differently because they pose a greater risk to others due to something entirely beyond their control.

    We don't value consistency in morality for its own sake; the suggestion is so stupid it actually makes me a little angry. We value it because life routinely presents us with novel situations for which we have no ready-made moral answers. We assess such situations and try to compare them with previous moral problems we've faced and resolved, and then apply similar reasoning to the new situation. We likewise expect consistency from others because their behavior affects us, since we are social creatures.

    The alternative to moral and ethical consistency is arbitrariness. If we accept that, we have no way to gauge how others may behave, nor what is expected of us as social beings. The value of moral and ethical consistency isn't some abstract fetishization of logic, it's an entirely practical and reasonable thing.

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    1. RNG
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      I think what the author is trying to drive at is that it isn't necessarily good to have moral consistency if it requires us to go against our moral intuitions to achieve said consistency. Various...

      I think what the author is trying to drive at is that it isn't necessarily good to have moral consistency if it requires us to go against our moral intuitions to achieve said consistency.

      Various normative ethical frameworks all have a problem like this. We find a scenario where consistent application of the ethical framework or principle in question would lead to undesirable outcomes; feeding utility monsters, telling serial killers the actual location of your family, etc.

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      ignorabimus
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      The author is using simplified thought experiments. I don't think that nitpicking the examples is really productive. Lots of people do – usually because of the principle of explosion; if you can...

      The supposed inconsistencies the author describes aren't inconsistent with anything but the shallow moral premises they concoct themselves.

      The author is using simplified thought experiments. I don't think that nitpicking the examples is really productive.

      We don't value consistency in morality for its own sake; the suggestion is so stupid it actually makes me a little angry.

      Lots of people do – usually because of the principle of explosion; if you can find a contradiction in a moral framework, that a statement S and the negation of statement S are both true, then you can prove anything (not just figuratively, you can literally prove any statement). A moral framework which suggests that you should do literally every statement is not a very useful one.

      The alternative to moral and ethical consistency is arbitrariness. If we accept that, we have no way to gauge how others may behave, nor what is expected of us as social beings. The value of moral and ethical consistency isn't some abstract fetishization of logic, it's an entirely practical and reasonable thing.

      I have bad news for you: what you seek is impossible. Any moral framework which consists of more than just tautologies cannot exclude moral dilemnas.

      But aside from that, I think people act in a very unpredictable way, but by and large we're quite good at dealing with this. We also don't have a consistent set of beliefs about "what is expected of us as social beings" – different cultures have different expectations, different people have different expectations when with different groups, etc.

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      1. RNG
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        I'd wager most folks accept the laws of logic axiomatically. And those who don't rarely have ideas worth considering.

        Lots of people do – usually because of the principle of explosion; if you can find a contradiction in a moral framework, that a statement S and the negation of statement S are both true, then you can prove anything (not just figuratively, you can literally prove any statement).

        I'd wager most folks accept the laws of logic axiomatically. And those who don't rarely have ideas worth considering.

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    3. updawg
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      Am I missing something? The author addresses that in the same paragraph.

      Take "treat people the same where they are the same, and differently where they are different" as your bedrock principle and suddenly there's no inconsistency in revoking the driving privileges of epileptics: epileptics are treated differently because they pose a greater risk to others due to something entirely beyond their control.

      Am I missing something? The author addresses that in the same paragraph.

      We say, for instance, that the vulnerability of epileptics to seizures increases the risk of an accident to an unacceptable level. Thus, the policy does not treat people inconsistently at all; that would only be true if there were no relevant differences between the people receiving differential treatment.

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    4. R3qn65
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      I think you've misread the article. You and the author generally agree.

      I think you've misread the article. You and the author generally agree.

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    5. elgis
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      I think the author is talking about two different types of consistency. One is consistency in how we treat people in similar situations (fairness). The other is logical consistency in justifying...

      I think the author is talking about two different types of consistency. One is consistency in how we treat people in similar situations (fairness). The other is logical consistency in justifying moral statements ("if A implies B, and we hold A to be true, then we should accept B. And for the sake of consistency, we should also accept any possible consequence of A."). As I understand it, the author is suggesting to drop consistency as a necessary condition.

      Being morally consistent is like putting all your eggs in one basket. What if we based all our actions on an incorrect assumption?

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  2. TheMediumJon
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    This absolute silliness on the part of the author. For many people all of these latter example are indeed examples of inconsistency that ought to be rectified. Okay, so there are practical...

    There are times when our attempts to justify an apparent inconsistency in our judgements or practices look suspiciously like disingenuous rationalizations of ways of thinking or acting that we have become comfortable with, or that it would be problematic to abandon, or that we think carry significant practical benefits, or to which we can't think of a decent alternative. Consider, for instance, the laws regarding alcohol compared to other recreational drugs, or US foreign policy regarding various undemocratic countries, or court rulings that rest on dubious appeals to precedent or questionable interpretations of the constitution.

    This absolute silliness on the part of the author. For many people all of these latter example are indeed examples of inconsistency that ought to be rectified.

    But an alternative approach is to cut the Gordian knot by not worrying about that and simply asking instead: what are the likely consequences of allowing or prohibiting abortion? If prohibiting it is likely to produce more dangerous backstreet abortions, more unwanted children growing up in deprived circumstances, more single mothers mired in poverty, and so on, then these are reasons for ensuring that it be legal and available. If, on the other hand, its ready availability tends to put a heavy economic burden on the health care system, diminish our respect for human life, and foster less careful attitudes to sex which in turn increases the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases, then these are reasons for banning abortion.

    Okay, so there are practical arguments both for and against legalization of abortion. This just puts us back at step one of having to weight those against each other. And unless someone can enlighten me, I don't know of a formula for converting "diminish[ed] respect for human life" to/against "more dangerous backstreet abortions".

    So in the end we will have to conduct a determination based on ethics of which of the above outweighs the others.

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  3. RNG
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    I like this article, thank you for sharing it. After spending some time wrestling with the authors ideas, I've come to wonder what the value of normative ethical frameworks like utilitarianism or...

    I like this article, thank you for sharing it.

    After spending some time wrestling with the authors ideas, I've come to wonder what the value of normative ethical frameworks like utilitarianism or Kant's categorical imperative are if our own moral intuitions are used to argue for/against a particular framework. It seems like we tacitly privilege our moral intuitions over frameworks that to some degree exist to solve the problems associated with trusting our moral intuitions. If a framework is objectively correct, then feeding utility monsters and telling killers where our kids are should be the correct course of action regardless of a massive mismatch with our moral intuitions.


    But even still, I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater regarding arguments from logical consistency.

    An advantage of not insisting on logical consistency as a sine qua non of any acceptable moral position or ethical theory is that we will be more likely to give due weight to pragmatic considerations.

    So I think emotivism best maps on to what I think ethics are, and a common critique of any non-cognitivist (i.e. ethical sentences cannot be true or false) meta-ethical view is that it prevents one from engaging in moral argumentation (i.e., what basis could you have to say one's morals are correct or incorrect?)

    A common rebuttal is that one can make arguments from logical consistency, contrasting ones moral intuitions with their actual moral beliefs. If one says "anyone who kills a human is a murderer", "Mike killed a man in self-defense" and "Mike is not a murderer" can be shown to have a logical inconsistency. Showing someone that their moral beliefs are inconsistent is a powerful tool for changing beliefs. Logic often winds up being somewhere in the ballpark of "things impossible to doubt." I can't possibly believe P & !P. Some people will have their beliefs changed, or at least qualified, within a very short period of time from a consistency being introduced.

    There are other lines of argumentation available to emotivists, such as arguments about the facts that underlie a particular moral belief (e.g., whether or not Mike killed a man is an objective matter that could be debated even if morals are not.) There's also just using persuasive rhetoric, but I doubt there's a more effective tool to change ones moral beliefs than demonstrating logical inconsistency.

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  4. elgis
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    The advantage is that by evaluating actions according to their consequences, we no longer have to worry about moral dilemmas? Is consequentialism free of moral dilemmas?

    An advantage of not insisting on logical consistency as a sine qua non of any acceptable moral position or ethical theory is that we will be more likely to give due weight to pragmatic considerations. Consider the abortion debate again. Much ink has been spilled constructing sophisticated arguments to show that allowing abortion is or is not consistent with certain other precepts we adhere to. But an alternative approach is to cut the Gordian knot by not worrying about that and simply asking instead: what are the likely consequences of allowing or prohibiting abortion?

    The advantage is that by evaluating actions according to their consequences, we no longer have to worry about moral dilemmas? Is consequentialism free of moral dilemmas?

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