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The International Building Code is changing to recommend gender neutral bathrooms

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  1. [8]
    kaladin
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    I'm not American, or a part of the LGBT group but I find these changes sensible. There's no use in restricting single toilets to either male or female. To be perfectly honest I am not sure about...

    I'm not American, or a part of the LGBT group but I find these changes sensible. There's no use in restricting single toilets to either male or female. To be perfectly honest I am not sure about the whole shared male and female stalls, however, I think that's more an issue with me as I don't really like it when I'm in the toilet and other people are in there anyway heh.

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      Algernon_Asimov
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      I volunteer at a community organisation which is using one (small) floor in an office building that was previously owned by a company that used all the floors. It's an oldish building, and the...

      I volunteer at a community organisation which is using one (small) floor in an office building that was previously owned by a company that used all the floors. It's an oldish building, and the male and female toilets are on alternate floors: one floor has a male toilet, the floor above it has a female toilet, the floor above that has a male toilet, and so on. This community organisation has a floor containing a female toilet: it's just three cubicles ("stalls") and a couple of sinks, with no urinals.

      They've made a virtue of necessity by slapping an "All-Gender Toilet" sign on the door. :)

      I have found that it's actually not that disconcerting to see women coming and going from the toilet (I'm a man). Like you, I don't like other people around when I'm using the toilet, but it doesn't bother me more if the other person is a woman than if it's a man.

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      1. Deimos
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        In my first year of university (which was... 17 years ago now), I lived in a dorm with three wings/sections on my floor, with about 10 rooms in each one. One wing was all males, one all females,...

        In my first year of university (which was... 17 years ago now), I lived in a dorm with three wings/sections on my floor, with about 10 rooms in each one. One wing was all males, one all females, and the one I lived in was co-ed, so the rooms had a mix of males and females living in them (always both male or female in the same room). There was only one bathroom in each wing though, so that meant that the one in my wing was a shared, co-ed one.

        It was a bit strange at first, but after a while, nobody seemed to care much any more. It did have urinals, but everyone just agreed not to use them (and that rule often got ignored late at night if people were drunk). If anyone was really uncomfortable, they could always just walk over to one of the other wings and use their non-co-ed bathroom instead, but eventually it seemed like everyone just realized it really wasn't a big deal.

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    2. NaraVara
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      I wish the article went into some detail about what the original intent behind the gender segregated bathrooms policy was. It seems odd that they would have imposed a requirement that costs more...

      I wish the article went into some detail about what the original intent behind the gender segregated bathrooms policy was.

      It seems odd that they would have imposed a requirement that costs more in terms of space, plumbing, and other expenses if they didn’t have some kind of compelling reason to do it. Was it just a customary sense of propriety or was there something more tangible?

    3. [4]
      stephen
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      You can't see me, but I have made the stalest of faces on reading this.

      shared male and female stalls, however, I think that's more an issue with me as I don't really like it when I'm in the toilet and other people are in there anyway heh.

      You can't see me, but I have made the stalest of faces on reading this.

      1. [3]
        Algernon_Asimov
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        What does this mean? I'm not familiar with this vernacular.

        I have made the stalest of faces

        What does this mean? I'm not familiar with this vernacular.

        5 votes
        1. [2]
          stephen
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          The ones of Steve Carrell and Martin Lawrence are about right.

          The ones of Steve Carrell and Martin Lawrence are about right.

          1. Algernon_Asimov
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            You speak in riddles... I don't know who these people are, or how they relate to "the stalest of faces".

            You speak in riddles... I don't know who these people are, or how they relate to "the stalest of faces".

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  2. stephen
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    As an architect, I gotta say: FUCKING FINALLY. After a few years of this on my radar and fruitlessly trying to push the idea to my colleagues it's nice to be vindicated. A bathroom is a bathroom,...

    As an architect, I gotta say: FUCKING FINALLY. After a few years of this on my radar and fruitlessly trying to push the idea to my colleagues it's nice to be vindicated. A bathroom is a bathroom, designating them by gender is retrograde - they make facilities unnecessarily large and inflate the number of fixtures you need. Hopefully the fixture counts are reworked to account for different rates of throughput in mixed restrooms for maximum impact.

    7 votes
  3. [2]
    ssgjrie
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    What's the big deal? It's a public bathroom: you go in, do your business, wash your hands, and get out. Does it matters if the person sitting next to you is male, female, trans, etc? I worry more...

    What's the big deal? It's a public bathroom: you go in, do your business, wash your hands, and get out. Does it matters if the person sitting next to you is male, female, trans, etc?

    I worry more about them hearing my flatulence (lol) than anything else.

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    1. stephen
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      The big deal is that like every person over 40 was raised think their genitals are something taboo and to be ashamed of. Seems minor but apparently this is a big hurdle for a lot of people to clear.

      The big deal is that like every person over 40 was raised think their genitals are something taboo and to be ashamed of. Seems minor but apparently this is a big hurdle for a lot of people to clear.

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    JustABanana
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    International Code Council is a 64,000-member group focused on building codes and standards worldwide, and their International Building Code standards the most widely used and adopted set of...

    International Code Council is a 64,000-member group focused on building codes and standards worldwide, and their International Building Code standards the most widely used and adopted set of building safety codes. They are also the basis for building policy throughout the country, used to establish federal, state, and municipal construction standards.

    The International Code Council has approved a change to restroom standards recommended by the American Institute of Architects and the National Center for Transgender Equality that will update single stall facilities.

    The policy changes are simple, but impactful. The first proposal approved this week requires all single stall restrooms to show that they are available to all users, not a single gender.

    A second approved proposal allows for multi-stall gender-neutral facilities. These would include shared sink areas with private stalls for each toilet.

    These changes will provide more restrooms for transgender and gender non-conforming individuals as well as people with disabilities and their caregivers, families with small children, and others who simply need a place for those in need.

    1. [4]
      Algernon_Asimov
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      Why did you just copy-paste text from the article? Did you make a mistake? Did you mean to write something else?

      Why did you just copy-paste text from the article? Did you make a mistake? Did you mean to write something else?

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      1. [3]
        JustABanana
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        I've made a shorter Tl;Dr version that includes(in my opinion) the most important parts of article. I do that to avoid having people just going straight to the comments without reading the article

        I've made a shorter Tl;Dr version that includes(in my opinion) the most important parts of article. I do that to avoid having people just going straight to the comments without reading the article

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        1. [2]
          Algernon_Asimov
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          I would expect someone to read an article before commenting on it. Why would you encourage people to do otherwise, by summarising the article? Also, I think you worded this wrongly: Putting a...

          I would expect someone to read an article before commenting on it. Why would you encourage people to do otherwise, by summarising the article?

          Also, I think you worded this wrongly:

          I do that to avoid having people just going straight to the comments without reading the article

          Putting a summary in the comments encourages people to go straight to the comments without reading the article; it does not avoid or prevent this behaviour.

          1. JustABanana
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            I'd argue if someone reads my comment before reading the article it probably means they weren't going to read it anyways. It's better if people read a tl;dr version than if they don't read it at...

            I'd argue if someone reads my comment before reading the article it probably means they weren't going to read it anyways. It's better if people read a tl;dr version than if they don't read it at all. It's also easier to read for people using their phones

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