Since they specifically reference Democrats, Republicans and Independents, I'm going to assume they mean voters registered as Republican rather than people who self identify as Republicans. Which...
Since they specifically reference Democrats, Republicans and Independents, I'm going to assume they mean voters registered as Republican rather than people who self identify as Republicans.
Which makes me wonder how much of that 55% is actually Libertarian voters (who typically aren't concerned with social/religious issues like this) aligned with the Republican party. If that's the case, then perhaps there is more room for Republican support. Primarily because this really is a religious thing; I can't think of a single non-theistic person I've met who had a problem with gay marriage. So if there's more non-theistic conservatives out there, they may be willing to voice support if they perceive that they won't be criticized for it.
I agree, but I think they will need to feel the need to do so. Gay marriage is already legal and Republicans are more focused on stopping trans rights, so they probably feel feel that's already...
So if there's more non-theistic conservatives out there, they may be willing to voice support if they perceive that they won't be criticized for it.
I agree, but I think they will need to feel the need to do so. Gay marriage is already legal and Republicans are more focused on stopping trans rights, so they probably feel feel that's already settled concerning LGB (and most probably have only stopped being homophobic after the rulings 8 and 6 years ago anyway), and probably don't care that the GOP is very openly Transphobic, if they aren't transphobic themselves too.
This is progress and undoubtedly a good thing, but I'm always reminded that progress is not linear, and backslides happen too. As someone who only came out this month, and am in my first queer...
This is progress and undoubtedly a good thing, but I'm always reminded that progress is not linear, and backslides happen too.
As someone who only came out this month, and am in my first queer full-blown-relationship, I've never felt such a visceral and personal connection to these issues. I don't want to drag too much politics in here, but we've seen the Overton window move a lot in the last few years, with previously "fringe" ideas becoming the norm on both sides. These ideologically volatile times can be wonderful for progress and I truly cherish that; but I worry about a just-as-quick backslide.
Someone help me out. Am I being needlessly negative here?
I wouldn't be so worried about the rollback of LGB rights, simply because the republican base has the collective memory of a goldfish after they've been directed to a shiny new thing to hate, and...
I wouldn't be so worried about the rollback of LGB rights, simply because the republican base has the collective memory of a goldfish after they've been directed to a shiny new thing to hate, and the party elites seem to view marriage equality and most of the other gains of recent years as a settled issue, and not worth pushing due to potential alienation of the donor class, as well as broad acceptance of those gains among the population. In addition to the fact that their vehement opposition to LGB rights was probably more empty and deeply cynical hate-mongering than genuine belief, and they're not interested in using it anymore because it doesn't work as well.
The shiny new thing to hate, of course, is transgender people, and there have been significant rollbacks of trans rights, in things like bathroom bills, the recent attacks on the availability of puberty blockers, and of course the Trump military ban. I think that ultimately trans rights will be fully legally established in the US, and that it won't be that much longer, since much of the groundwork is already laid, public opinion is already shifting, and TERF rhetoric has no real truck here. But that's where there's going to be a real back and forth of gaining and stripping rights over the next few years IMO.
Of course this has been coming for a while and won't do much of anything concerning GOP party policy, social change is slow like that, but I think it's worth talking about this at least a little....
Of course this has been coming for a while and won't do much of anything concerning GOP party policy, social change is slow like that, but I think it's worth talking about this at least a little. My main opinion is that:
This very probably is lower for trans people and the people in that gap should be talked about more. Trans exclusionary radical feminists? How about Trans exclusionary 'moderate' conservatives.
This can probably be credited to the fact that Gay, Lesbian and Bi people can exist within a Bi-normative framework I imagine most of these people still hold. This of course, excludes trans people and quite a few other types of LGBT people.
Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. has reached an all-time high of 70%, according to a poll released by Gallup on Tuesday.
The percentage — the highest since the organization began recording the trend in 1996 — marks a 10% increase since 2015, the same year the U.S. Supreme Court ruled all states must recognize same-sex marriages.
The rise in support stems largely from a majority of Republicans, who for the first time approve of same-sex marriage at 55%, according to Gallup.
The company reports 83% of Democrats, [...] support for it this year. Compared to prior reports, Democrats reported the same level of approval for gay and lesbian marriage over the past few years.
Since they specifically reference Democrats, Republicans and Independents, I'm going to assume they mean voters registered as Republican rather than people who self identify as Republicans.
Which makes me wonder how much of that 55% is actually Libertarian voters (who typically aren't concerned with social/religious issues like this) aligned with the Republican party. If that's the case, then perhaps there is more room for Republican support. Primarily because this really is a religious thing; I can't think of a single non-theistic person I've met who had a problem with gay marriage. So if there's more non-theistic conservatives out there, they may be willing to voice support if they perceive that they won't be criticized for it.
I agree, but I think they will need to feel the need to do so. Gay marriage is already legal and Republicans are more focused on stopping trans rights, so they probably feel feel that's already settled concerning LGB (and most probably have only stopped being homophobic after the rulings 8 and 6 years ago anyway), and probably don't care that the GOP is very openly Transphobic, if they aren't transphobic themselves too.
This is progress and undoubtedly a good thing, but I'm always reminded that progress is not linear, and backslides happen too.
As someone who only came out this month, and am in my first queer full-blown-relationship, I've never felt such a visceral and personal connection to these issues. I don't want to drag too much politics in here, but we've seen the Overton window move a lot in the last few years, with previously "fringe" ideas becoming the norm on both sides. These ideologically volatile times can be wonderful for progress and I truly cherish that; but I worry about a just-as-quick backslide.
Someone help me out. Am I being needlessly negative here?
I wouldn't be so worried about the rollback of LGB rights, simply because the republican base has the collective memory of a goldfish after they've been directed to a shiny new thing to hate, and the party elites seem to view marriage equality and most of the other gains of recent years as a settled issue, and not worth pushing due to potential alienation of the donor class, as well as broad acceptance of those gains among the population. In addition to the fact that their vehement opposition to LGB rights was probably more empty and deeply cynical hate-mongering than genuine belief, and they're not interested in using it anymore because it doesn't work as well.
The shiny new thing to hate, of course, is transgender people, and there have been significant rollbacks of trans rights, in things like bathroom bills, the recent attacks on the availability of puberty blockers, and of course the Trump military ban. I think that ultimately trans rights will be fully legally established in the US, and that it won't be that much longer, since much of the groundwork is already laid, public opinion is already shifting, and TERF rhetoric has no real truck here. But that's where there's going to be a real back and forth of gaining and stripping rights over the next few years IMO.
Thanks for the calming perspective!
Of course this has been coming for a while and won't do much of anything concerning GOP party policy, social change is slow like that, but I think it's worth talking about this at least a little. My main opinion is that:
This very probably is lower for trans people and the people in that gap should be talked about more. Trans exclusionary radical feminists? How about Trans exclusionary 'moderate' conservatives.
This can probably be credited to the fact that Gay, Lesbian and Bi people can exist within a Bi-normative framework I imagine most of these people still hold. This of course, excludes trans people and quite a few other types of LGBT people.
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