I started taking notice of Reddit's own incel community some four years or so ago, looking for people who felt the same as me. Back then it was already well on it's way to a point of no return,...
I started taking notice of Reddit's own incel community some four years or so ago, looking for people who felt the same as me. Back then it was already well on it's way to a point of no return, but it was still mostly guys taking "Forever Alone" to an absurd level of seriousness and reinforcing each other's depressive worldview. Over time language from /r9k/ crept it's way into the general discourse and things took and ever more hateful and destructive slant. Reddit sometimes has this weird effect where a community will latch on to a particular idea or meme with such vigor that almost every single post has to one-up the previous one in intensity. First violence was the unthinkable extreme, then it became the normal extreme, then it became normal, finally it became aspirational.
I turned heel and ran away from /r/incels almost as soon as found it, but years later, while I was moderating /r/trollychromosome I suddenly ran into people trying to post incel memes or attempting to recruit people who posted about their feelings of loneliness and rejection. At that point the whole incel thing had gone essentially from a lonely hearts club to a violent death cult who didn't eschew people like Elliot Rodger, but embraced and idolized him with all layers of irony torn down.
This is a great video, it very well explains both the origins of the term as well as the feelings that lead people to adopt such extreme views, but the thing I'm missing is the fact that "the black pill" is no longer just a jokey name for a muddily defined philosophy for incels, it's become something the actively advocate and seek to spread. It's why they were so incredibly pissed /r/incels got banned, why they got so pissed whenever I removed their comments or posts: they want to reach out and find more people.
I'm not as privy to the incel culture as some, but something I did see was a ton of suicide jokes. Now, I'm not against black humor, I've had some dark periods in my life and joking around about...
I'm not as privy to the incel culture as some, but something I did see was a ton of suicide jokes. Now, I'm not against black humor, I've had some dark periods in my life and joking around about my depression did feel helpful at the time, but I don't think I've ever seen a page of incels/braincels content that didn't have at least one person calling something "sui fuel" or commenting that "it's over". I wonder how many of those people, having their depression and self-loathing stoked by the community they went to for understanding, finally took the bait.
Like the video said: it can be extremely tempting to trick yourself into believing that the people insulting and degrading you are 'actually being honest'. So people might take the bait precisely...
Like the video said: it can be extremely tempting to trick yourself into believing that the people insulting and degrading you are 'actually being honest'. So people might take the bait precisely because they think that stoking those feelings of worthlessness and self-loathing is somebody finally getting it and giving it to them straight.
The irony is: in a lot of ways even the "sui feel" and reinforcement of negative feelings aren't really honest but difficult truths they just need to swallow. It's simply another way of coddling and comforting themselves, but rather then with faux-positivity it's done through vitriolic despair.
The real 'red pill' for them would be realizing they've created this toxic mindscape on their own and they're the only people who can ever get themselves out of it.
Finally got a chance to finish this. It was really well done. I honestly don't really have anything resembling empathy for incels, but this video really explained a lot for me.
Finally got a chance to finish this. It was really well done. I honestly don't really have anything resembling empathy for incels, but this video really explained a lot for me.
I really like the comparison to being trans too, and felt it added a lot to helping put things in perceptive. I also found the part about catastrophic thinking really interesting too. Thanks for...
I really like the comparison to being trans too, and felt it added a lot to helping put things in perceptive. I also found the part about catastrophic thinking really interesting too.
I unfortunately don't have time today to check out what you posted, but I'd like to share a great documentary on incels that I surprisingly haven't seen around much: Shy Boys The incredible thing...
I unfortunately don't have time today to check out what you posted, but I'd like to share a great documentary on incels that I surprisingly haven't seen around much:
The incredible thing about this documentary is that it was filmed in 2011, well before the term 'incels' had even begun to hit the mainstream. I think it approaches the subjects of the documentary in a neutral way and lets you draw your own conclusions from their behavior.
I finally watched the Contrapoints video last night, and I just have to say, wow. She did a fantastic job of breaking down what incels' worldview is, how it works, and why it's deeply and...
I finally watched the Contrapoints video last night, and I just have to say, wow. She did a fantastic job of breaking down what incels' worldview is, how it works, and why it's deeply and fundamentally flawed. I appreciate that it did not feel like a 'haha look at these losers' sort of video -- I'm sure there are plenty of nice but troubled men who have fallen deep into the black pill pit, and attacking them will do nothing but drive them further in.
just finished watching the video, that was absolutely amazing with a heaping dose of terrifying. I feel sorry for the guys who recognise they need help (the one that called the hotline) but can't...
just finished watching the video, that was absolutely amazing with a heaping dose of terrifying.
I feel sorry for the guys who recognise they need help (the one that called the hotline) but can't seem to take the extra step, hopefully a few are able to step away from the depression feeding forums and make some sort of change in their lives
I started taking notice of Reddit's own incel community some four years or so ago, looking for people who felt the same as me. Back then it was already well on it's way to a point of no return, but it was still mostly guys taking "Forever Alone" to an absurd level of seriousness and reinforcing each other's depressive worldview. Over time language from /r9k/ crept it's way into the general discourse and things took and ever more hateful and destructive slant. Reddit sometimes has this weird effect where a community will latch on to a particular idea or meme with such vigor that almost every single post has to one-up the previous one in intensity. First violence was the unthinkable extreme, then it became the normal extreme, then it became normal, finally it became aspirational.
I turned heel and ran away from /r/incels almost as soon as found it, but years later, while I was moderating /r/trollychromosome I suddenly ran into people trying to post incel memes or attempting to recruit people who posted about their feelings of loneliness and rejection. At that point the whole incel thing had gone essentially from a lonely hearts club to a violent death cult who didn't eschew people like Elliot Rodger, but embraced and idolized him with all layers of irony torn down.
This is a great video, it very well explains both the origins of the term as well as the feelings that lead people to adopt such extreme views, but the thing I'm missing is the fact that "the black pill" is no longer just a jokey name for a muddily defined philosophy for incels, it's become something the actively advocate and seek to spread. It's why they were so incredibly pissed /r/incels got banned, why they got so pissed whenever I removed their comments or posts: they want to reach out and find more people.
I'm not as privy to the incel culture as some, but something I did see was a ton of suicide jokes. Now, I'm not against black humor, I've had some dark periods in my life and joking around about my depression did feel helpful at the time, but I don't think I've ever seen a page of incels/braincels content that didn't have at least one person calling something "sui fuel" or commenting that "it's over". I wonder how many of those people, having their depression and self-loathing stoked by the community they went to for understanding, finally took the bait.
It's so tragic.
Like the video said: it can be extremely tempting to trick yourself into believing that the people insulting and degrading you are 'actually being honest'. So people might take the bait precisely because they think that stoking those feelings of worthlessness and self-loathing is somebody finally getting it and giving it to them straight.
The irony is: in a lot of ways even the "sui feel" and reinforcement of negative feelings aren't really honest but difficult truths they just need to swallow. It's simply another way of coddling and comforting themselves, but rather then with faux-positivity it's done through vitriolic despair.
The real 'red pill' for them would be realizing they've created this toxic mindscape on their own and they're the only people who can ever get themselves out of it.
Finally got a chance to finish this. It was really well done. I honestly don't really have anything resembling empathy for incels, but this video really explained a lot for me.
I really like the comparison to being trans too, and felt it added a lot to helping put things in perceptive. I also found the part about catastrophic thinking really interesting too.
Thanks for the additional link too.
I unfortunately don't have time today to check out what you posted, but I'd like to share a great documentary on incels that I surprisingly haven't seen around much:
Shy Boys
The incredible thing about this documentary is that it was filmed in 2011, well before the term 'incels' had even begun to hit the mainstream. I think it approaches the subjects of the documentary in a neutral way and lets you draw your own conclusions from their behavior.
I finally watched the Contrapoints video last night, and I just have to say, wow. She did a fantastic job of breaking down what incels' worldview is, how it works, and why it's deeply and fundamentally flawed. I appreciate that it did not feel like a 'haha look at these losers' sort of video -- I'm sure there are plenty of nice but troubled men who have fallen deep into the black pill pit, and attacking them will do nothing but drive them further in.
just finished watching the video, that was absolutely amazing with a heaping dose of terrifying.
I feel sorry for the guys who recognise they need help (the one that called the hotline) but can't seem to take the extra step, hopefully a few are able to step away from the depression feeding forums and make some sort of change in their lives