I don't like the idea of necessarily requiring money, but perhaps it should require something for a stranger to contact me. Maybe X number of CAPTCHA solves or something similar instead where the...
I don't like the idea of necessarily requiring money, but perhaps it should require something for a stranger to contact me. Maybe X number of CAPTCHA solves or something similar instead where the other person can spend their time instead of money.
The trendy suggestion is to put blockchain in everything, so perhaps a message must include either some proof-of-work or equivalent crypto-token. The tokens could be mined, traded, or given out by...
The trendy suggestion is to put blockchain in everything, so perhaps a message must include either some proof-of-work or equivalent crypto-token. The tokens could be mined, traded, or given out by a captcha service in exchange for doing a few image classifications or whatever. The mail servers involved could then either reject or deprioritize messages without a valid "stamp" on them.
This way you'd get the "pay-to-send" with "wait/work-to-send" as a fallback for people who can't or won't pay.
Hm. I brought it up tongue-in-cheek, but now that I'm thinking about it, it actually seems kind of plausible, and now I'm not so sure I really like the idea.
lol, when I first saw "blockchain" I was all "oh yes, I forgot about the solution to everything that is blockchain". But yeah, it actually isn't a crazy idea.
Hm. I brought it up tongue-in-cheek, but now that I'm thinking about it, it actually seems kind of plausible, and now I'm not so sure I really like the idea.
lol, when I first saw "blockchain" I was all "oh yes, I forgot about the solution to everything that is blockchain". But yeah, it actually isn't a crazy idea.
My uncle has a blocker on his email where if you are not in his contact list, you must send him a message through the blocker to get approved to send him an email. It's a pretty great spam blocker...
My uncle has a blocker on his email where if you are not in his contact list, you must send him a message through the blocker to get approved to send him an email. It's a pretty great spam blocker and after you're approved once you never have to worry about it again.
Never mind email. Imagine if you had to pay five bucks to @ somebody on Twitter or fifty bucks to DM them. Trolling and harassment would get a hell of a lot more expensive, especially for...
Never mind email. Imagine if you had to pay five bucks to @ somebody on Twitter or fifty bucks to DM them. Trolling and harassment would get a hell of a lot more expensive, especially for underemployed incel channers.
Not only that, but the entirety of mentions and DMs and e mails would cease. Also, an alternative would pop up and become almost as popular faster than light.
Not only that, but the entirety of mentions and DMs and e mails would cease. Also, an alternative would pop up and become almost as popular faster than light.
So how are we going to do mailing lists? Decentralised open source development? How will those who can barely pay for internet access communicate? And if you think that most of the messages on...
So how are we going to do mailing lists? Decentralised open source development? How will those who can barely pay for internet access communicate?
And if you think that most of the messages on internet sent free of charge are unwanted, how do you decide that those you author here are not so? Will you pay me or Tildes any sum of money for this very interaction? If not, why do you write these thing at all, given you classify them unwanted categorically for them being free.
Please excuse the ad-hominem nature of the above paragraph, I don't mean any offence to you, but the idea is simply ridiculous, and if you think about the greater implications of it, you will agree. This would basically silence nine tenths of the world, and most of the rest could only afford whispering every now and then.
It's interesting because getting people to send me an email is generally the "effort" I'm asking for to prove they are at least that serious. Anyone who asks me for a favour, I usually just tell...
It's interesting because getting people to send me an email is generally the "effort" I'm asking for to prove they are at least that serious. Anyone who asks me for a favour, I usually just tell them to email me "so I don't forget", and I pretty much never get an email.
I think the monetary barrier is nice for preventing spam. Currently in Canada, if you're a business you need my consent to send me emails. I think it would be great just to extend this to everyone, even if it sort of means getting "consent request" emails (that I can filter on).
Oh yeah, it is (and is actually what I have). It's more just backed up by law, which I think is slightly better since sending the emails themselves have a cost that would be nicer to prevent...
Oh yeah, it is (and is actually what I have). It's more just backed up by law, which I think is slightly better since sending the emails themselves have a cost that would be nicer to prevent upfront. Sort of like I would prefer to have companies not send me junk mail as oppose to me tossing it into my bin before entering my house.
Edit to add: In general, in Canada, you sign up for a mail list and that's the consent they need. They technically cannot cold send out emails and make you unsubscribe instead (though I'm pretty sure some do).
Bill Gates talked about this idea in his book The Road Ahead 20 years ago, and I always thought it was a shame it didn't take off. Also, interestingly, a system like this was one of Satoshi's...
Bill Gates talked about this idea in his book The Road Ahead 20 years ago, and I always thought it was a shame it didn't take off.
Also, interestingly, a system like this was one of Satoshi's inspirations for Bitcoin. The original idea of "proof of work" was as an email spam deterrent. The idea was that you'd repeatedly hash your email with a nonce until the hash started with a bunch of zeroes (like mining Bitcoin) and then send the email, the nonce, and the hash. The recipient could trivially check it, but it would take the sender some non-negligible amount of time to construct it, making it economically infeasible for spammers.
I don't like the idea of necessarily requiring money, but perhaps it should require something for a stranger to contact me. Maybe X number of CAPTCHA solves or something similar instead where the other person can spend their time instead of money.
I like this idea too, but wonder if it'll just get outsourced like some captcha type things get done now.
The trendy suggestion is to put blockchain in everything, so perhaps a message must include either some proof-of-work or equivalent crypto-token. The tokens could be mined, traded, or given out by a captcha service in exchange for doing a few image classifications or whatever. The mail servers involved could then either reject or deprioritize messages without a valid "stamp" on them.
This way you'd get the "pay-to-send" with "wait/work-to-send" as a fallback for people who can't or won't pay.
Hm. I brought it up tongue-in-cheek, but now that I'm thinking about it, it actually seems kind of plausible, and now I'm not so sure I really like the idea.
lol, when I first saw "blockchain" I was all "oh yes, I forgot about the solution to everything that is blockchain". But yeah, it actually isn't a crazy idea.
My uncle has a blocker on his email where if you are not in his contact list, you must send him a message through the blocker to get approved to send him an email. It's a pretty great spam blocker and after you're approved once you never have to worry about it again.
Maybe some browser extension or script to help automate whitelisting at the point in time when you sign up for something?
Never mind email. Imagine if you had to pay five bucks to @ somebody on Twitter or fifty bucks to DM them. Trolling and harassment would get a hell of a lot more expensive, especially for underemployed incel channers.
Not only that, but the entirety of mentions and DMs and e mails would cease. Also, an alternative would pop up and become almost as popular faster than light.
We'll slap charges on those as well. If you want access to somebody who doesn't know you from Adam, you should have to pay for it.
So how are we going to do mailing lists? Decentralised open source development? How will those who can barely pay for internet access communicate?
And if you think that most of the messages on internet sent free of charge are unwanted, how do you decide that those you author here are not so? Will you pay me or Tildes any sum of money for this very interaction? If not, why do you write these thing at all, given you classify them unwanted categorically for them being free.
Please excuse the ad-hominem nature of the above paragraph, I don't mean any offence to you, but the idea is simply ridiculous, and if you think about the greater implications of it, you will agree. This would basically silence nine tenths of the world, and most of the rest could only afford whispering every now and then.
Facebook tried something like this back in 2012, where you had to pay $1 for your message to go through to a non-friend: https://www.ibtimes.com/facebook-1-fee-what-you-need-know-about-paying-send-messages-strangers-958062
That experiment obviously didn't last long, given Facebook's "engagement uber alles" ethos.
I want this for phone calls too! Help weed out the CRA scammer and telemarketers.
Oh my god if I could stop these fucking hotel robo scam spoofed calls
How can I implement this on my work email. I need this ASAP. 😂
It's interesting because getting people to send me an email is generally the "effort" I'm asking for to prove they are at least that serious. Anyone who asks me for a favour, I usually just tell them to email me "so I don't forget", and I pretty much never get an email.
I think the monetary barrier is nice for preventing spam. Currently in Canada, if you're a business you need my consent to send me emails. I think it would be great just to extend this to everyone, even if it sort of means getting "consent request" emails (that I can filter on).
Oh yeah, it is (and is actually what I have). It's more just backed up by law, which I think is slightly better since sending the emails themselves have a cost that would be nicer to prevent upfront. Sort of like I would prefer to have companies not send me junk mail as oppose to me tossing it into my bin before entering my house.
Edit to add: In general, in Canada, you sign up for a mail list and that's the consent they need. They technically cannot cold send out emails and make you unsubscribe instead (though I'm pretty sure some do).
Bill Gates talked about this idea in his book The Road Ahead 20 years ago, and I always thought it was a shame it didn't take off.
Also, interestingly, a system like this was one of Satoshi's inspirations for Bitcoin. The original idea of "proof of work" was as an email spam deterrent. The idea was that you'd repeatedly hash your email with a nonce until the hash started with a bunch of zeroes (like mining Bitcoin) and then send the email, the nonce, and the hash. The recipient could trivially check it, but it would take the sender some non-negligible amount of time to construct it, making it economically infeasible for spammers.