It's really easy to criticise laws like this when you don't share over 1300km of border with a warmongering dictator who uses the UN list of war crimes as a checklist of stuff to do. Yes, this is...
It's really easy to criticise laws like this when you don't share over 1300km of border with a warmongering dictator who uses the UN list of war crimes as a checklist of stuff to do.
Yes, this is extreme, but it's also necessary for safety at the moment.
The problem with refugees coming to welfare states is that our laws REQUIRE us to take care of them, it's in the constitution.
Can we take in a year 10? Of course. 100? Yes. 1000? Maybe? 10k? Oof. Especially when we can't tell if some of them are hired to do something nefarious like the "definitely not special forces" who started popping up in protests when Russia annexed Crimea...
There were people from Africa arriving at Finland's eastern border through Russia - not the shortest path - to ask for asylum. The Russian police gave them a ride near the border and gave them bicycles and told them to start pedaling. Sauce: https://yle.fi/a/74-20061511
Fair enough. It's a tough spot to be in, since you don't want to discount refugees but Moscow is quite clearly weaponizing immigration, just like Lukashenko did some time ago.
Fair enough. It's a tough spot to be in, since you don't want to discount refugees but Moscow is quite clearly weaponizing immigration, just like Lukashenko did some time ago.
When i was in the army and anytime we had larger scale training on public lands suddenly There were a lot of cars driving around the place with russian plates and in normal conditions i would...
When i was in the army and anytime we had larger scale training on public lands suddenly There were a lot of cars driving around the place with russian plates and in normal conditions i would maybe see a one or two russian plates in a week instead of dozens in a few days.
Russia has been a pain in the butt for quite some time, not really sure what is their goal is but they are constantly doing something from jamming gps signals to trying to get into out water treatment plants and whatnot.
I'm not in the military space but I used to present at a lot of technical trade shows and there was an unspoken distrust around attendees from "unfriendly nations". Its not without good reason...
I'm not in the military space but I used to present at a lot of technical trade shows and there was an unspoken distrust around attendees from "unfriendly nations". Its not without good reason too. On top of them taking lot of videos of the systems on display (and the people presenting), it's not uncommon to have people wanting to charge their phone at your stations for a few minutes, sneak a USB onto unattended machines or send around mails with a ton of attachments.
I hate making broad statements of people and cultures. But each project had a fun little security memo of the worst cases if the client was compromised and it is not a secret where many of these attacts come from. If it's such a nightmare with software, the risks skyrocket when you're at war.
Its really shitty that it helps the far right to piggyback on the migration topic with it, but yeah. Finland has good reasons to fortify the hell out of their border with Russia. Does it lead to...
Its really shitty that it helps the far right to piggyback on the migration topic with it, but yeah. Finland has good reasons to fortify the hell out of their border with Russia.
Does it lead to double standards? Yes. But that's not due to Finland. It's a part of the strategy of Russia.
The correct answer would probably be to seek assistance from the rest of the EU to help distribute refugees in a more sustainable manner. Immigration is all about insuring a proper spread of...
The correct answer would probably be to seek assistance from the rest of the EU to help distribute refugees in a more sustainable manner. Immigration is all about insuring a proper spread of population to prevent any one area from being overcrowded.
Arranging partnership countries to be able to mutually handle influxes. Have a somewhat unified, coherent intake programs that provide funding, education, and a job, and perhaps a bonus if you stay in your assigned area for say 3 years.
I'll use the USA as an example, as I'm remotely familiar with (and finding data for) it.
There are 1909 incorporated places with a population over 20,000. If we hold that any one of these places can handle an influx of 600 people (3%) annually, thats 1.1 million.
If we scale it such that places over 100,000 can handle 3,000 instead of 600, that's about 350 of them, that makes room for an additional 840,000ish. Almost 2 million people a year without even blinking an eye....Populations over 100k often fluctuate by several thousands year to year.
It is a lack of will to solve the problem, rather than any lack of ability.
Despite already being pretty pro-immigration, I don’t find this calculation all that convincing. It seems like it’s assuming even distribution? That’s not what historically happens when people...
Despite already being pretty pro-immigration, I don’t find this calculation all that convincing. It seems like it’s assuming even distribution? That’s not what historically happens when people immigrate. Immigrants tend to cluster in ethnic communities. They favor some kinds of jobs over others. Jobs and housing aren’t evenly distributed with population either.
In housing in particular, there is already a large backlog of unmet need in many places. But there are also shortages of some kinds of workers and immigrants have traditionally filled those jobs. Construction is one of those industries.
We aren’t going to see 3% growth everywhere. We will see high growth in certain places.
It would be great if more places could handle higher growth. There are promising signs, and certainly the existence of high-growth areas shows that it can be done.
I hate to see laws like this passed. It reeks of using the war as an excuse to expel brown refugees. And with how anti-Russia the EU is, I don't expect Finland to get much flack for this either.
I hate to see laws like this passed. It reeks of using the war as an excuse to expel brown refugees. And with how anti-Russia the EU is, I don't expect Finland to get much flack for this either.
Well, they can be. Lukashenko weaponized that part rather nastily. Unfortunately, though, accepting them in gives him the victory it wants in this. Human rights being weaponized like this ought to...
Well, they can be. Lukashenko weaponized that part rather nastily. Unfortunately, though, accepting them in gives him the victory it wants in this.
Human rights being weaponized like this ought to be criminal on it's own if you ask me.
That's pedantry. As per the article, they're asylum seekers. This isn't Russia sneaking in thousands of soldiers, it's people from Yemen who want help. It's disgusting to turn the needy away at...
That's pedantry. As per the article, they're asylum seekers. This isn't Russia sneaking in thousands of soldiers, it's people from Yemen who want help. It's disgusting to turn the needy away at the border.
It's really easy to criticise laws like this when you don't share over 1300km of border with a warmongering dictator who uses the UN list of war crimes as a checklist of stuff to do.
Yes, this is extreme, but it's also necessary for safety at the moment.
The problem with refugees coming to welfare states is that our laws REQUIRE us to take care of them, it's in the constitution.
Can we take in a year 10? Of course. 100? Yes. 1000? Maybe? 10k? Oof. Especially when we can't tell if some of them are hired to do something nefarious like the "definitely not special forces" who started popping up in protests when Russia annexed Crimea...
There were people from Africa arriving at Finland's eastern border through Russia - not the shortest path - to ask for asylum. The Russian police gave them a ride near the border and gave them bicycles and told them to start pedaling. Sauce: https://yle.fi/a/74-20061511
Fair enough. It's a tough spot to be in, since you don't want to discount refugees but Moscow is quite clearly weaponizing immigration, just like Lukashenko did some time ago.
When i was in the army and anytime we had larger scale training on public lands suddenly There were a lot of cars driving around the place with russian plates and in normal conditions i would maybe see a one or two russian plates in a week instead of dozens in a few days.
Russia has been a pain in the butt for quite some time, not really sure what is their goal is but they are constantly doing something from jamming gps signals to trying to get into out water treatment plants and whatnot.
I'm not in the military space but I used to present at a lot of technical trade shows and there was an unspoken distrust around attendees from "unfriendly nations". Its not without good reason too. On top of them taking lot of videos of the systems on display (and the people presenting), it's not uncommon to have people wanting to charge their phone at your stations for a few minutes, sneak a USB onto unattended machines or send around mails with a ton of attachments.
I hate making broad statements of people and cultures. But each project had a fun little security memo of the worst cases if the client was compromised and it is not a secret where many of these attacts come from. If it's such a nightmare with software, the risks skyrocket when you're at war.
Its really shitty that it helps the far right to piggyback on the migration topic with it, but yeah. Finland has good reasons to fortify the hell out of their border with Russia.
Does it lead to double standards? Yes. But that's not due to Finland. It's a part of the strategy of Russia.
The correct answer would probably be to seek assistance from the rest of the EU to help distribute refugees in a more sustainable manner. Immigration is all about insuring a proper spread of population to prevent any one area from being overcrowded.
Arranging partnership countries to be able to mutually handle influxes. Have a somewhat unified, coherent intake programs that provide funding, education, and a job, and perhaps a bonus if you stay in your assigned area for say 3 years.
I'll use the USA as an example, as I'm remotely familiar with (and finding data for) it.
There are 1909 incorporated places with a population over 20,000. If we hold that any one of these places can handle an influx of 600 people (3%) annually, thats 1.1 million.
If we scale it such that places over 100,000 can handle 3,000 instead of 600, that's about 350 of them, that makes room for an additional 840,000ish. Almost 2 million people a year without even blinking an eye....Populations over 100k often fluctuate by several thousands year to year.
It is a lack of will to solve the problem, rather than any lack of ability.
Despite already being pretty pro-immigration, I don’t find this calculation all that convincing. It seems like it’s assuming even distribution? That’s not what historically happens when people immigrate. Immigrants tend to cluster in ethnic communities. They favor some kinds of jobs over others. Jobs and housing aren’t evenly distributed with population either.
In housing in particular, there is already a large backlog of unmet need in many places. But there are also shortages of some kinds of workers and immigrants have traditionally filled those jobs. Construction is one of those industries.
We aren’t going to see 3% growth everywhere. We will see high growth in certain places.
It would be great if more places could handle higher growth. There are promising signs, and certainly the existence of high-growth areas shows that it can be done.
I hate to see laws like this passed. It reeks of using the war as an excuse to expel brown refugees. And with how anti-Russia the EU is, I don't expect Finland to get much flack for this either.
Well, they can be. Lukashenko weaponized that part rather nastily. Unfortunately, though, accepting them in gives him the victory it wants in this.
Human rights being weaponized like this ought to be criminal on it's own if you ask me.
That's pedantry. As per the article, they're asylum seekers. This isn't Russia sneaking in thousands of soldiers, it's people from Yemen who want help. It's disgusting to turn the needy away at the border.