A buddy of mine identifies as a bit of a Southern boy, even though he was raised in the North (Ohio). His first wife was from Tennessee, so he even picked up a bit of a Southern accent. We have...
A buddy of mine identifies as a bit of a Southern boy, even though he was raised in the North (Ohio). His first wife was from Tennessee, so he even picked up a bit of a Southern accent. We have been friends since the early '90s, when we used to drink together in our shared driveway. He worked on cars, so I was always handy for handing him a tool or just keeping him company. Early summer 2016, I hadn't heard from him for a while, so I called him and he said "I'm on my way to the Trump rally."
I couldn't believe it, because knowing him he'd never seemed to have any conservative values beyond strong support for second amendment rights. Since we'd been shooting together a bunch of times, and knowing that he was an avid hunter, that was pretty natural. He'd never shown himself to be a racist, either, and he'd been exposed to a lot of diversity on our street: a Puerto Rican couple lived across the street and his daughter played with their son on a daily basis–she'd even named her cat after the kid. There was a black couple down the street, and the man would come around now and then and hang with us. He never said a word against him and would talk to him as we'd talk to each other. An older Asian woman lived a couple of doors down and the guys in the neighborhood would take turns taking out her trash and sometimes cutting her lawn, my buddy included.
Now, he's all about border control and closing immigration; the Mexicans are ruining everything and all the roofers in our area can't find work because of the Mexicans (a somewhat accurate sentiment, because a lot of roofing crews around here are Mexican now–I'm in the business). He announced to me one night at his home that they gave him a "n-word" to work with at his job and he told them he was sick that day and went home. He's a full-on Alex Jones supporter, believing everything the guy says is the honest, researched truth. Fox news is on 24/7 at his house, on multiple TVs.
I tried to counter some of his opinions, but they're very set in his mind, and he eventually said "wait, are you a LIBERAL?" I told him if that's the label he puts on someone who believes in reproductive rights, equality for all, access to healthcare and that trickle-down isn't a valid economic theory (I elaborated further, but this is long enough already), then yes, I'm a liberal.
Now he tells people we meet "he's the liberal I was telling you about." We really aren't very good friends anymore, and it's a damn shame, because I love the guy, or loved the guy he was. He's still that guy; there's just a greasy sheen on top of his thoughts that clouds my ability to converse with him. We don't talk much anymore.
Not so much. He throws the n-word around for fighters (we sometimes watch UFC together) as normal conversation: "Look at that n-word, you know them n-words have hard heads," etc. He called Lebron...
Not so much. He throws the n-word around for fighters (we sometimes watch UFC together) as normal conversation: "Look at that n-word, you know them n-words have hard heads," etc. He called Lebron James that regularly. It's too much. The neo-conservative movement somehow caused this, but I can't really forgive it. Do I still love the guy? Yeah, I almost hate to say it, but I do because he's actually a good guy and we always looked out for each other. I'd still help him if he needed it.
Now if he completely refrained, I might be able to sort of forget that he thinks like that, but it would be pretty hard. The politics thing I could get over, though.
Fair and warranted and measured etc etc, I love this response. I sometimes forget that people on the internet are... people, reading your comment helped me connect. Like the idea that yes, you...
Fair and warranted and measured etc etc, I love this response. I sometimes forget that people on the internet are... people, reading your comment helped me connect. Like the idea that yes, you hate his ideas and his philosophies and outright racism but yes, would still help him if he needed help is so... I dunno why I'm saying this, but honestly it spoke to me. It says to me that life and relationships aren't black and white, they're tiered and complicated.
I have some relatives who care about me deeply and would love me to the end of the world, but they have some of the opinions - I do still associate with them, and chalk it up to them being...
I have some relatives who care about me deeply and would love me to the end of the world, but they have some of the opinions - I do still associate with them, and chalk it up to them being ignorant and set in their ways. But I dunno, I've never been in the situation with a non-relative, and especially not one younger than 60. I don't know if these things matter, I'm just thinking out loud.
My God, I just finished this article, and a few others linked in it to learn about the "Qanon" conspiracy theory, and I'm astounded. The fact that these ideas have wide spread support, and are...
My God, I just finished this article, and a few others linked in it to learn about the "Qanon" conspiracy theory, and I'm astounded.
The fact that these ideas have wide spread support, and are considered normal politiclal discourse now, is deeply upsetting and disturbing.
I'm just filled with disappointment in ourselves, what our society has allowed be the new normal, and anger.
It's worse than you can imagine. Seems that all we learned from Pizzagate was literally nothing. Nothing at all. No one is going to do anything, and it's getting worse.
"Qanon" conspiracy theory, and I'm astounded.
It's worse than you can imagine. Seems that all we learned from Pizzagate was literally nothing. Nothing at all. No one is going to do anything, and it's getting worse.
If anything, people learned that there's a large market of gullible idiots lining up to be exploited. It's absolutely going to get worse because you not only have the far-right ideologues but also...
If anything, people learned that there's a large market of gullible idiots lining up to be exploited. It's absolutely going to get worse because you not only have the far-right ideologues but also opportunists after crazybucks.
I seriously considered several options to make some money off the crazy... In a normal political environment, I may have felt a little dirty about it, but I'd probably just donate a good chunk of...
I seriously considered several options to make some money off the crazy... In a normal political environment, I may have felt a little dirty about it, but I'd probably just donate a good chunk of the money to progressive causes and candidates, make a joke about fleecing rubes, and feel just fine in the end.
In this environment, though? I'd feel like I was exploiting people struggling with mental illness or cognitive impairments, and potentially furthering the divide in this country. I couldn't live with that.
I honestly don't understand how any functional member of society can believe any of these conspiracy theories. They're so clearly false, yet some people just believe them without a second thought.
I honestly don't understand how any functional member of society can believe any of these conspiracy theories. They're so clearly false, yet some people just believe them without a second thought.
Not to paint with too wide of a brush, but these same people also believed everything Trump said on the campaign trail and voted for him, so I'd say there's no actual critical thinking here.
Not to paint with too wide of a brush, but these same people also believed everything Trump said on the campaign trail and voted for him, so I'd say there's no actual critical thinking here.
I mean that's kind of my point, I'm astounded that functional mebera of society do so little critical thinking, although I think the people who believe in these conspiracy theories take it to a...
I mean that's kind of my point, I'm astounded that functional mebera of society do so little critical thinking, although I think the people who believe in these conspiracy theories take it to a whole new level, rather than a typical Trump supporter.
Oh yeah. I'm just as baffled as you are that there are people out there who think like this. The fact that people are able to live in delusion is kinda scary, especially with how violent they seem...
Oh yeah. I'm just as baffled as you are that there are people out there who think like this. The fact that people are able to live in delusion is kinda scary, especially with how violent they seem to want to be.
QAnon adherents believe that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, George Soros, and other high-level officials are planning a coup while simultaneously involved as members of an international child sex trafficking ring. According to this idea, the Mueller investigation is actually a countercoup led by Donald Trump, who pretended to collude with Russia in order to hire Robert Mueller to secretly investigate the Democrats.
I've learned about Qanon through an article linked at tildes, and I am as disturbed as you are. Someone in the comment section said that some of his more delusional followers will likely start...
I've learned about Qanon through an article linked at tildes, and I am as disturbed as you are.
Someone in the comment section said that some of his more delusional followers will likely start killing people soon, and I wouldn't be surprised.
What's reasonable depends on your social sphere of influence. These people live their lives surrounded by people, only partially selected intentionally, who hold similar views. You could call it a...
What's reasonable depends on your social sphere of influence. These people live their lives surrounded by people, only partially selected intentionally, who hold similar views.
You could call it a failure of education or information, but I see it as the natural consequence of competing propaganda outlets. Which is to say that it is not a failure in general but a success in specific -- to some groups' propaganda work.
Reasonable is relative. Facts are fungible and so is history -- with enough propaganda.
I can't see this going well for us in the future. Especially for someone like me -- a gay academic with a mixed racial and cultural background. We are the 2nd weimar republic and all it will take is one good economic downturn for these hate orgies to become violent mobs.
I’m not following your thought process on why someone shouldn’t support a political party because a shitty group of people also support him. Say theoretically that neo nazis switched and supported...
I’m not following your thought process on why someone shouldn’t support a political party because a shitty group of people also support him.
Say theoretically that neo nazis switched and supported the Democrats, would you not be able to support them or identify as a Democrat anymore?
Well, you'd have to look at what exactly is causing the neo nazis to start supporting Democrats. Is it because of a shift in the Democratic platform that aligns more with neo-nazi beliefs? If...
Say theoretically that neo nazis switched and supported the Democrats, would you not be able to support them or identify as a Democrat anymore?
Well, you'd have to look at what exactly is causing the neo nazis to start supporting Democrats. Is it because of a shift in the Democratic platform that aligns more with neo-nazi beliefs? If that's the case, then yeah I'd probably have a hard time supporting Democrats, since I can't really think of anything that would be popular enough among neo nazis to get them to switch parties that I'd be okay with.
Consequently, this is also the reason I find it hard to accept someone who supports the current state of the Republican party, as I perceive the Republican party to be shifting closer to the beliefs of neo-nazis.
The rhetoric by far and away overwhelms the platform. The platform hasn't changed from largely benefiting the rich republican donor class, the rhetoric is a convenient way to drum up support....
The rhetoric by far and away overwhelms the platform. The platform hasn't changed from largely benefiting the rich republican donor class, the rhetoric is a convenient way to drum up support. That's not to say the platform isn't starting to lean that way, but I would have to take the time to look up some more details on the specifics of the platform in order to make more of a reply.
Aren't there candidates for governor and senate explicitly spreading hatred for black folks, jews, (((globalists))) et al.? Didn't Trump say "there are very fine people" in a group of literal...
Aren't there candidates for governor and senate explicitly spreading hatred for black folks, jews, (((globalists))) et al.? Didn't Trump say "there are very fine people" in a group of literal neonazis? What else do you need to start asking the Republican Party to get their shit together?
While anyone can certainly say they're running as X party, why do you think that the neo-nazis are choosing to run as Republicans and not Democrats? I would imagine someone running for office...
While anyone can certainly say they're running as X party, why do you think that the neo-nazis are choosing to run as Republicans and not Democrats? I would imagine someone running for office would either pick the party that best reflects their goals and ideals, or the party that they think they can get the most support from. Neither of those say good things about the party that the Nazis select.
That's an excellent point that I hadn't fully considered, thank you. I've looked at the candidates listed in a Huffington Post article (as well as this Vox article) on neo-nazi candidates and the...
Radical candidates will surface most often on a party that is already unlikely to win the district. Having few registered voters of the party in question in that district makes it far easier for them to win a primary.
That's an excellent point that I hadn't fully considered, thank you. I've looked at the candidates listed in a Huffington Post article (as well as this Vox article) on neo-nazi candidates and the data for those primaries supports that. Here's what I found:
This district has been represented by Garland Pierce for a while -- it's pretty solidly Democrat
Arthur Jones
IL 3rd Congressional
20,681 - unopposed
This district has voted democrat 24 out of the past 25 congressional elections
Paul Nehlen
WI 1st Congressional
N/A
This election has not happened yet, and I cannot find outcome predictions. He is up against 5 republicans in the primary. The district is a swing district.
Sean Donahue
PA 11th Congressional
N/A
Ballotpedia says he 'was a candidate', and he's not listed on the Ballotpedia page for this race. I can't find any more information about him in this race so I'm assuming he dropped out. Also, his website is the worst thing I've ever seen.
John Abarr
Montana State House 21
107 Votes - 9.58%
This was interesting. He initially ran as a Democrat, saying he wanted to take the party back to its roots, and then changed to Republican. The winner of this district won with 843 votes, and the district overall has a population of 9859 (solidly Democratic)
It does seem to be not as bad as some of the article I have seen have made it out to be, primarily because all of these are in very Democratic districts. The main thing that worries me here is seeing that 20K number for Arthur Jones, but that could be explained by the large population in the district (720,930, especially compared with the 95,205 votes cast in the Democratic primary in this district. It's still 20K more votes than I want to see towards any Neo Nazi.
It's worse than that, according to this article, Jones only got 834 signatures to get on the ballot. The 20K is how many people voted for him in the primary. That article also states he didn't...
It's worse than that, according to this article, Jones only got 834 signatures to get on the ballot. The 20K is how many people voted for him in the primary. That article also states he didn't mention his Nazi leanings while campaigning.
Hey, nice find. Looks like the only indication of Nazi I see on there is the "No more wars for Israel", and I'm seeing a conspicuous lack of his website on there. edit: ah, I see the full page one...
Hey, nice find. Looks like the only indication of Nazi I see on there is the "No more wars for Israel", and I'm seeing a conspicuous lack of his website on there.
I'm sure there's someone that's put together a more comprehensive list somewhere, but I don't have a whole lot of time right now to go look it up since I'm at work. So things off of the top of my...
I'm sure there's someone that's put together a more comprehensive list somewhere, but I don't have a whole lot of time right now to go look it up since I'm at work. So things off of the top of my head will have to do.
Extreme emphasis on patriotism / nationalism (see "America First, Make America Great Again")
Blaming already marginalized groups for a large amount of problems in society, as well as otherizing those groups
If neo-nazis started running as Dems and getting votes and if current Dems started re-tweeting neo-nazis and not facing any pushback from the party, if the Dems started dogwhistling their support...
If neo-nazis started running as Dems and getting votes and if current Dems started re-tweeting neo-nazis and not facing any pushback from the party, if the Dems started dogwhistling their support of the neo-nazi worldview...I would certainly stop voting for them.
So anyone who supports trump is a racist/racist because they don’t somehow “eject” racists from supporting trump and also because they are pro free speech. Wow
So anyone who supports trump is a racist/racist because they don’t somehow “eject” racists from supporting trump and also because they are pro free speech. Wow
I’m not ok with racists but I’m definitely ok with racists and every other group being able to voice their opinions so long as they’re not harassing/threatening/hurting anyone.
I’m not ok with racists but I’m definitely ok with racists and every other group being able to voice their opinions so long as they’re not harassing/threatening/hurting anyone.
I think we're veering into the territory of a discussion on the merits of free speech here, and I don't think I'm prepared to or want to have that discussion right now. So, I'll leave you with a...
I think we're veering into the territory of a discussion on the merits of free speech here, and I don't think I'm prepared to or want to have that discussion right now. So, I'll leave you with a question to ponder: Voicing one's opinion is fine. Hurting people is not fine. What if your opinion is that people should be hurt?
Then that’s your opinion and as long as you don’t do any of the aforementioned things then I don’t see the problem. I suppose we could add “instigating violence” or “calling for violence” to my...
Then that’s your opinion and as long as you don’t do any of the aforementioned things then I don’t see the problem. I suppose we could add “instigating violence” or “calling for violence” to my previous list
I'll pick this up: Free speech, in my mind, means you're free to express whatever words youd like, but it doesn't mean you're free of consequence. I can say some damning and be put in prison, it...
I'll pick this up:
Free speech, in my mind, means you're free to express whatever words youd like, but it doesn't mean you're free of consequence. I can say some damning and be put in prison, it stands to reason that a person can say something explicitly racist and backlash (or being punched) is a justified response.
If a person advocates for violence, my belief is that people who decry it deserve to be silenced. So no, I'm not okay with it, and I'll do what I can within reason to shut them up.
A buddy of mine identifies as a bit of a Southern boy, even though he was raised in the North (Ohio). His first wife was from Tennessee, so he even picked up a bit of a Southern accent. We have been friends since the early '90s, when we used to drink together in our shared driveway. He worked on cars, so I was always handy for handing him a tool or just keeping him company. Early summer 2016, I hadn't heard from him for a while, so I called him and he said "I'm on my way to the Trump rally."
I couldn't believe it, because knowing him he'd never seemed to have any conservative values beyond strong support for second amendment rights. Since we'd been shooting together a bunch of times, and knowing that he was an avid hunter, that was pretty natural. He'd never shown himself to be a racist, either, and he'd been exposed to a lot of diversity on our street: a Puerto Rican couple lived across the street and his daughter played with their son on a daily basis–she'd even named her cat after the kid. There was a black couple down the street, and the man would come around now and then and hang with us. He never said a word against him and would talk to him as we'd talk to each other. An older Asian woman lived a couple of doors down and the guys in the neighborhood would take turns taking out her trash and sometimes cutting her lawn, my buddy included.
Now, he's all about border control and closing immigration; the Mexicans are ruining everything and all the roofers in our area can't find work because of the Mexicans (a somewhat accurate sentiment, because a lot of roofing crews around here are Mexican now–I'm in the business). He announced to me one night at his home that they gave him a "n-word" to work with at his job and he told them he was sick that day and went home. He's a full-on Alex Jones supporter, believing everything the guy says is the honest, researched truth. Fox news is on 24/7 at his house, on multiple TVs.
I tried to counter some of his opinions, but they're very set in his mind, and he eventually said "wait, are you a LIBERAL?" I told him if that's the label he puts on someone who believes in reproductive rights, equality for all, access to healthcare and that trickle-down isn't a valid economic theory (I elaborated further, but this is long enough already), then yes, I'm a liberal.
Now he tells people we meet "he's the liberal I was telling you about." We really aren't very good friends anymore, and it's a damn shame, because I love the guy, or loved the guy he was. He's still that guy; there's just a greasy sheen on top of his thoughts that clouds my ability to converse with him. We don't talk much anymore.
If your old friend refrained from talking about politics, and saying slurs, do you think you could still be friends?
Not so much. He throws the n-word around for fighters (we sometimes watch UFC together) as normal conversation: "Look at that n-word, you know them n-words have hard heads," etc. He called Lebron James that regularly. It's too much. The neo-conservative movement somehow caused this, but I can't really forgive it. Do I still love the guy? Yeah, I almost hate to say it, but I do because he's actually a good guy and we always looked out for each other. I'd still help him if he needed it.
Now if he completely refrained, I might be able to sort of forget that he thinks like that, but it would be pretty hard. The politics thing I could get over, though.
Fair and warranted and measured etc etc, I love this response. I sometimes forget that people on the internet are... people, reading your comment helped me connect. Like the idea that yes, you hate his ideas and his philosophies and outright racism but yes, would still help him if he needed help is so... I dunno why I'm saying this, but honestly it spoke to me. It says to me that life and relationships aren't black and white, they're tiered and complicated.
I have some relatives who care about me deeply and would love me to the end of the world, but they have some of the opinions - I do still associate with them, and chalk it up to them being ignorant and set in their ways. But I dunno, I've never been in the situation with a non-relative, and especially not one younger than 60. I don't know if these things matter, I'm just thinking out loud.
edit: my gut answer is definitely no.
My God, I just finished this article, and a few others linked in it to learn about the "Qanon" conspiracy theory, and I'm astounded.
The fact that these ideas have wide spread support, and are considered normal politiclal discourse now, is deeply upsetting and disturbing.
I'm just filled with disappointment in ourselves, what our society has allowed be the new normal, and anger.
It's worse than you can imagine. Seems that all we learned from Pizzagate was literally nothing. Nothing at all. No one is going to do anything, and it's getting worse.
If anything, people learned that there's a large market of gullible idiots lining up to be exploited. It's absolutely going to get worse because you not only have the far-right ideologues but also opportunists after crazybucks.
I seriously considered several options to make some money off the crazy... In a normal political environment, I may have felt a little dirty about it, but I'd probably just donate a good chunk of the money to progressive causes and candidates, make a joke about fleecing rubes, and feel just fine in the end.
In this environment, though? I'd feel like I was exploiting people struggling with mental illness or cognitive impairments, and potentially furthering the divide in this country. I couldn't live with that.
I honestly don't understand how any functional member of society can believe any of these conspiracy theories. They're so clearly false, yet some people just believe them without a second thought.
Not to paint with too wide of a brush, but these same people also believed everything Trump said on the campaign trail and voted for him, so I'd say there's no actual critical thinking here.
I mean that's kind of my point, I'm astounded that functional mebera of society do so little critical thinking, although I think the people who believe in these conspiracy theories take it to a whole new level, rather than a typical Trump supporter.
Oh yeah. I'm just as baffled as you are that there are people out there who think like this. The fact that people are able to live in delusion is kinda scary, especially with how violent they seem to want to be.
Its Wikipedia page seems to be a good summary. Tl;dr /pol/ bs that gullible people believe rather than just accepting that they got conned by Trump.
I've learned about Qanon through an article linked at tildes, and I am as disturbed as you are.
Someone in the comment section said that some of his more delusional followers will likely start killing people soon, and I wouldn't be surprised.
It's comical how ridiculous the theory is, I'd find it funny if people didn't actually believe it.
What's reasonable depends on your social sphere of influence. These people live their lives surrounded by people, only partially selected intentionally, who hold similar views.
You could call it a failure of education or information, but I see it as the natural consequence of competing propaganda outlets. Which is to say that it is not a failure in general but a success in specific -- to some groups' propaganda work.
Reasonable is relative. Facts are fungible and so is history -- with enough propaganda.
I can't see this going well for us in the future. Especially for someone like me -- a gay academic with a mixed racial and cultural background. We are the 2nd weimar republic and all it will take is one good economic downturn for these hate orgies to become violent mobs.
What do we do? I don't know. http://election.princeton.edu/2017/01/15/preventing-2017-america-from-becoming-like-1934-germany-a-watchlist/
I’m not following your thought process on why someone shouldn’t support a political party because a shitty group of people also support him.
Say theoretically that neo nazis switched and supported the Democrats, would you not be able to support them or identify as a Democrat anymore?
Well, you'd have to look at what exactly is causing the neo nazis to start supporting Democrats. Is it because of a shift in the Democratic platform that aligns more with neo-nazi beliefs? If that's the case, then yeah I'd probably have a hard time supporting Democrats, since I can't really think of anything that would be popular enough among neo nazis to get them to switch parties that I'd be okay with.
Consequently, this is also the reason I find it hard to accept someone who supports the current state of the Republican party, as I perceive the Republican party to be shifting closer to the beliefs of neo-nazis.
The rhetoric by far and away overwhelms the platform. The platform hasn't changed from largely benefiting the rich republican donor class, the rhetoric is a convenient way to drum up support. That's not to say the platform isn't starting to lean that way, but I would have to take the time to look up some more details on the specifics of the platform in order to make more of a reply.
How are republicans shifting toward the beliefs of nazis?
Aren't there candidates for governor and senate explicitly spreading hatred for black folks, jews, (((globalists))) et al.? Didn't Trump say "there are very fine people" in a group of literal neonazis? What else do you need to start asking the Republican Party to get their shit together?
While anyone can certainly say they're running as X party, why do you think that the neo-nazis are choosing to run as Republicans and not Democrats? I would imagine someone running for office would either pick the party that best reflects their goals and ideals, or the party that they think they can get the most support from. Neither of those say good things about the party that the Nazis select.
That's an excellent point that I hadn't fully considered, thank you. I've looked at the candidates listed in a Huffington Post article (as well as this Vox article) on neo-nazi candidates and the data for those primaries supports that. Here's what I found:
This data is all from Ballotpedia.
It does seem to be not as bad as some of the article I have seen have made it out to be, primarily because all of these are in very Democratic districts. The main thing that worries me here is seeing that 20K number for Arthur Jones, but that could be explained by the large population in the district (720,930, especially compared with the 95,205 votes cast in the Democratic primary in this district. It's still 20K more votes than I want to see towards any Neo Nazi.
edit: fixed formatting. tables are hard
It's worse than that, according to this article, Jones only got 834 signatures to get on the ballot. The 20K is how many people voted for him in the primary. That article also states he didn't mention his Nazi leanings while campaigning.
He seems to be pretty open about it on his website.
Hey, nice find. Looks like the only indication of Nazi I see on there is the "No more wars for Israel", and I'm seeing a conspicuous lack of his website on there.
edit: ah, I see the full page one has it
I'm sure there's someone that's put together a more comprehensive list somewhere, but I don't have a whole lot of time right now to go look it up since I'm at work. So things off of the top of my head will have to do.
If neo-nazis started running as Dems and getting votes and if current Dems started re-tweeting neo-nazis and not facing any pushback from the party, if the Dems started dogwhistling their support of the neo-nazi worldview...I would certainly stop voting for them.
So anyone who supports trump is a racist/racist because they don’t somehow “eject” racists from supporting trump and also because they are pro free speech. Wow
It's not so much that a trump supporter is specifically, intentionally racist, but they're okay with racists in their group. And that's just as bad.
I’m not ok with racists but I’m definitely ok with racists and every other group being able to voice their opinions so long as they’re not harassing/threatening/hurting anyone.
I think we're veering into the territory of a discussion on the merits of free speech here, and I don't think I'm prepared to or want to have that discussion right now. So, I'll leave you with a question to ponder: Voicing one's opinion is fine. Hurting people is not fine. What if your opinion is that people should be hurt?
Then that’s your opinion and as long as you don’t do any of the aforementioned things then I don’t see the problem. I suppose we could add “instigating violence” or “calling for violence” to my previous list
I'll pick this up:
Free speech, in my mind, means you're free to express whatever words youd like, but it doesn't mean you're free of consequence. I can say some damning and be put in prison, it stands to reason that a person can say something explicitly racist and backlash (or being punched) is a justified response.
If a person advocates for violence, my belief is that people who decry it deserve to be silenced. So no, I'm not okay with it, and I'll do what I can within reason to shut them up.
Racists expressing racism IS a threat.