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When Male Rape Victims Are Accountable for Child Support

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  1. [5]
    Grzmot Link
    A very good article in my opinon. Also, this lady here: Lady, have you ever seen a dick before in your life? One would think that conducting the national rape study would make you look a little...

    A very good article in my opinon. Also, this lady here:

    Some professionals, such as Mary Koss from the University of Arizona, who published the first national rape study in 1987, even argued that men and boys cannot be raped by women. In a radio interview, Koss stated:

    “How would [a man being raped by a woman] happen… how would that happen by force or threat of force or when the victim is unable to consent? How does that happen? I would call it ‘unwanted contact.’”

    Lady, have you ever seen a dick before in your life? One would think that conducting the national rape study would make you look a little deeper into how penises work biologically. But alas, it was 1987, maybe she has changed her mind since then.

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      halfjew22 Link Parent
      To play the devil's advocate here, despite this apparently popular opinion, can you explain why you believe it's possible for an able man to be raped by a woman?

      To play the devil's advocate here, despite this apparently popular opinion, can you explain why you believe it's possible for an able man to be raped by a woman?

      1. Grzmot Link Parent
        The male victim can be drunk, coerced into it with blackmail (or other things), a minor who doesn't know any better (or is physically weaker than the woman) and so on. There are many...

        The male victim can be drunk, coerced into it with blackmail (or other things), a minor who doesn't know any better (or is physically weaker than the woman) and so on. There are many possibilities. I suggest starting here and working yourself through the references if you want to delve deeper into the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_males#Female-on-male_rape

        As it is with female on male domestic abuse, men aren't normally overpowered but either choose to not fight back for various reasons (in case of domestic violence it would be the fact that the woman can later report herself as the victim and that most people will believe her, or as is often the case, the victims often just "taking it" without defending themselves because they don't know any better) or ar incapacitated using alcohol or other drugs.

        If you don't want to delve into such a dark Wikipedia article, here's a short excerpt:

        Male victims of sexual abuse by females[17] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[18] The case of Cierra Ross'[19] sexual assault of a man in Chicago gained national headlines and Ross was convicted of aggravated criminal sexual abuse and armed robbery with a bail set at $75,000. A similar case includes James Landrith, who was made to penetrate a female acquaintance in a hotel room while incapacitated from drinking, while his rapist cited the fact that she was pregnant to advise him not to struggle, as this might hurt the baby.[20][21]

        Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers having illegal sex with their underage students (see Mary Kay Letourneau and Debra Lafave). Male victims, including underage minors, have been forced to pay child support to their rapist when the rapist conceives a baby as a result of the rape (see, for example, Hermesmann v. Seyer).[22][23][24]

        EDIT: If you care for my personal anecdote: A boner is very much a biological reaction. I can't quote the studies off of my head, but there has been done research on when men get boners and fear is a factor, as is simply touching the penis. I don't know if you're male or not, but if you are, you'll have surely lived through the awkward boner which had nothing to do with you being aroused. Sometimes they just show up.

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      2. bike Link Parent
        Here is an explanation of the legal definition of rape and how the definition "includes any gender of victim and perpetrator", from the US Department of Justice:...

        Here is an explanation of the legal definition of rape and how the definition "includes any gender of victim and perpetrator", from the US Department of Justice:

        https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape

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      3. vakieh Link Parent
        Answering the devil's advocate: Are we talking physical ability of the man to resist, or what REALLY needs to be viewed in precisely the same light (because it's literally the same thing) as 'if...

        Answering the devil's advocate: Are we talking physical ability of the man to resist, or what REALLY needs to be viewed in precisely the same light (because it's literally the same thing) as 'if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down'.

        The physical ability thing can be handled the same way you would handle the question of 'can a woman illegally detain an able bodied man'. Simple - did she? If yes, then she could and did. Handcuffs, drugs, psychological abuse, w/e.

        The physical response though... erection != consent. It's an involuntary reaction that you can get from mild stimulation and doesn't go away just because you want it to (ask any boy going through puberty who is wearing their jacket tied around the front of their waist). Anyone who even makes a whimper of this as an argument needs to be so covered in vitriolic hate they resign from all public life and go live in a monastery somewhere.

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    AlastrionaCatskill Link
    I am absolutely disgusted how many women think that men are immune from rape/sexual assault. That's partially why female-on-male domestic violence is even less reported than the already vastly...

    I am absolutely disgusted how many women think that men are immune from rape/sexual assault. That's partially why female-on-male domestic violence is even less reported than the already vastly under-reported male-on-female domestic violence.

    I tend to merge the issues of male rape victims being forced to pay child support with its foil of women rape victims being forced to deal with the male rapist in many states that ban abortion past a certain number of weeks, or who are forced to have joint custody of the child she did not want.

    The example male rape victim did not want the child either, why should he be forced into this from a crime? It will have life-long mental distress on him, reliving his victimhood for at least 18 years.

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      Grzmot Link Parent
      Rape victims should be exempt from any kind of parental requirements, unless the victim is female and very specifically wants to keep the child (a rare occurrence, I can imagine). That underage...

      Rape victims should be exempt from any kind of parental requirements, unless the victim is female and very specifically wants to keep the child (a rare occurrence, I can imagine). That underage male victims were convicted of having to pay child support is fucking insane and and a big showing of a broken system. One of the rape victims in the article was 15 (!!!) when convicted. Where's that money even supposed to come from? Not to mention the chill of a rapist going after their victim in court, either for child support or parental rights, both of which shouldn't be possible in a legal system.

      On the issue of abortion, I of course agree with you. But then again, I've always supported abortion as long as it's medically safe for the mom.

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        AlastrionaCatskill Link Parent
        Honestly, if the woman victim* wants the child, I feel the child should be acknowledged as fatherless by default. I just woke up, oops

        Honestly, if the woman victim* wants the child, I feel the child should be acknowledged as fatherless by default.

        I just woke up, oops

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          Grzmot Link Parent
          Yep. A rapist should not have any rights regarding a possible child born from the crime considering the hardships it puts the victim and their child through. I mean, do you think a rapist is going...

          Yep. A rapist should not have any rights regarding a possible child born from the crime considering the hardships it puts the victim and their child through. I mean, do you think a rapist is going to be a good parent?

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          1. AlastrionaCatskill Link Parent
            Of course. But there is one small problem. If a female rapist gets pregnant from her crime, and wants the child, then what? I imagine the child would be forced into foster care?

            Of course. But there is one small problem. If a female rapist gets pregnant from her crime, and wants the child, then what? I imagine the child would be forced into foster care?

  3. Deimos Link
    This thread got weird this morning. I think that's (more than) enough.

    This thread got weird this morning. I think that's (more than) enough.

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    jlpoole Link
    I suppose the court rulings requiring child support reinforces there is an advantage for the victim of a young male being raped by another male rather than a female. There will be no financial...

    I suppose the court rulings requiring child support reinforces there is an advantage for the victim of a young male being raped by another male rather than a female. There will be no financial support issues emanating from the act.

    What a sorry state of affairs.

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    1. Grzmot Link Parent
      That parental rights or child support is even considered in rape cases is insane. Rapists shouldn't have parental rights. Victims shouldn't pay child support or be dragged in front of court and...

      That parental rights or child support is even considered in rape cases is insane. Rapists shouldn't have parental rights. Victims shouldn't pay child support or be dragged in front of court and have to give up their children to their rapists. Female victims should get the chance to abort, as should all women.

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