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The Alt-Right Playbook: How to Radicalize a Normie

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    jgb
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    Not really in the mood to watch the whole of this right now. It seems to be decently good, if a little patronizing. I do think the branding of the far-right with the 4chan logo is a little clumsy....

    Not really in the mood to watch the whole of this right now. It seems to be decently good, if a little patronizing. I do think the branding of the far-right with the 4chan logo is a little clumsy. That site is not homogeneous - it also has actual marxists and feminists and libertarians and everything in between on it. It does have a right-wing bias - but only in the same way that Twitter has a left-wing one.

    15 votes
    1. [4]
      chas
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      I can't word this in a way that isn't dismissive, but hopefully this won't also sound rude: if someone believes 4chan has redeeming qualities, I write the person off as part of the problem. As in:...

      I can't word this in a way that isn't dismissive, but hopefully this won't also sound rude: if someone believes 4chan has redeeming qualities, I write the person off as part of the problem. As in: the person is part of the Overton window opening in the wrong direction. As in: it's too late for this person; he or she grew up in this toxic environment, and sees this as tolerable. By 'this' I mean: a site that, aside from some fine people, hosts a large nazi community.

      15 votes
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        jgb
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        Of course 4chan has redeeming qualities. Every community of non-trivial size does. There's probably been interesting and thoughtful conversations on Stormfront at some point or another. I don't...

        Of course 4chan has redeeming qualities. Every community of non-trivial size does. There's probably been interesting and thoughtful conversations on Stormfront at some point or another. I don't take your point about opening the Overton window. The fact that I sometimes talk about indie music, or bicycles, or Grand Prix motor racing on 4chan does not make me more tolerant or accepting of facism.

        13 votes
        1. chas
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          In my view, they are not "redeeming" in the sense that they make the site a net benefit to humanity. What amount of sparkling conversation is enough to compensate for enabling a world-wide network...

          In my view, they are not "redeeming" in the sense that they make the site a net benefit to humanity. What amount of sparkling conversation is enough to compensate for enabling a world-wide network of Nazis? I'm tempted to say: none.

          I might argue the same for Youtube, which is a site I, like most people, visit every day. That I enjoy aspects of Youtube enormously doesn't require me to stick up for it, or claim that the world is better off, on the whole, for its existence.

          I can enjoy cigarettes, and also acknowledge they are bad for people.

          7 votes
        2. mike10010100
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          Any minuscule "redeeming" qualities simply exist to attract people into the pipeline of radicalization they have set up. You don't "take" the point? What does that mean?

          Any minuscule "redeeming" qualities simply exist to attract people into the pipeline of radicalization they have set up.

          You don't "take" the point? What does that mean?

          2 votes
    2. [2]
      moocow1452
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      I really, really, REALLY don't want this conversation to become the thread, so I'm going leave it at them both being hell sites built for hell people. EDIT: 😒 🙄🤦

      I really, really, REALLY don't want this conversation to become the thread, so I'm going leave it at them both being hell sites built for hell people.

      EDIT: 😒 🙄🤦

      9 votes
      1. chas
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        Okay, but it is reassuring to know there are people on Twitter now. Last time I checked it was just the president and a bunch of python scripts.

        Okay, but it is reassuring to know there are people on Twitter now. Last time I checked it was just the president and a bunch of python scripts.

        2 votes
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      hhh
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      the left-wing bias on twitter is no where as far left as the right-wing bias is on 4chan. i feel like that's a little bit of a false equivalency.

      the left-wing bias on twitter is no where as far left as the right-wing bias is on 4chan. i feel like that's a little bit of a false equivalency.

      8 votes
      1. jgb
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        You're right. Perhaps Mastodon/Fediverse would've been a better comparison.

        You're right. Perhaps Mastodon/Fediverse would've been a better comparison.

        1 vote
    4. Akir
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      The use of the symbol is related mostly to a previous video they made, but I would suggest watching the entire video first because I think that 4chan is an excellent example of what he is talking...

      The use of the symbol is related mostly to a previous video they made, but I would suggest watching the entire video first because I think that 4chan is an excellent example of what he is talking about. There are more extreme examples, yes, but more people are familiar with 4chan than most of them.

      6 votes
  2. moocow1452
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    I was part of his Patreon, so I got the drip feed version of this. Really good stuff on how people fall into alt right circles and how they are kept inside.

    I was part of his Patreon, so I got the drip feed version of this. Really good stuff on how people fall into alt right circles and how they are kept inside.

    5 votes
  3. moocow1452
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    Against my better judgement, I'm bumping this topic because Ian posted a live talk that ties into this video, along with a Q&A video. Please play nice.

    Against my better judgement, I'm bumping this topic because Ian posted a live talk that ties into this video, along with a Q&A video. Please play nice.

    5 votes
  4. kjhanonichi
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    also reminds me of really harmful things on fedi, twitter, and reddit, and what i hear fb is like now too, and what i expect of this site, no offense, but those will forever be my expectations of...

    also reminds me of really harmful things on fedi, twitter, and reddit, and what i hear fb is like now too, and what i expect of this site, no offense, but those will forever be my expectations of new online spaces now

    also, there's a few things wrong in the video, but it's more important that this content is out rather than nitpicking what they don't know and don't realize

    3 votes
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