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  1. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    Yes, but there are so many examples of people going down the alt-right pipeline only to run into a fact that didn't jive, doing research on it, then realizing that a lot of everything else they...

    I don't think this reasoning really works because people are biased towards what they already believe.

    Yes, but there are so many examples of people going down the alt-right pipeline only to run into a fact that didn't jive, doing research on it, then realizing that a lot of everything else they had accepted as fact was simply false or incomplete.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/comments/cdjhx1/i_used_to_be_altright/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/cm00kd/i_used_to_be_a_trumpist_my_experience_with_the/

    There are tons of examples of this all over reddit. Hell, I too was part of the KotakuInAction shit surrounding GamerGate, and absolutely believed their lies about it being about "ethics in gaming journalism", excusing the farther-right elements because "what can you do about them". But when it began to slip into bullshit surrounding outright sexism, racism, and other alt-right nonsense, I realized, holy shit, this was all one giant set-up to get people into this pipeline and quickly noped the fuck out.

    But your solution ensures that the person will never have the possibility of reaching that conclusion. They will be effectively cut off, forever operating on their existing biases and bigotry.

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  2. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    Yep, the line is constantly moving. In fact, having a static line is a great way for people to exploit static rules for their own personal gain. Liberals especially like to believe that government...

    Yep, the line is constantly moving. In fact, having a static line is a great way for people to exploit static rules for their own personal gain.

    Liberals especially like to believe that government is just one big justice machine that will eventually work for the righteousness of the people. The fact is that if we don't actively give a shit towards advancing justice on a personal level, any static rule can be exploited.

    Basically "where is the line?" is a tedious point to approach just about anything from. In my experience it's mostly used to "JAQ off". I wish this had been framed differently.

    This entire discussion and OPs question seems framed in a purposeful way to attract a certain kind of response, I agree.

    2 votes
  3. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    Yep, so therefore they should not be able to deny anyone service based on speech.

    Yep, so therefore they should not be able to deny anyone service based on speech.

  4. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    The problem with this is that the Nazis rose to power precisely because we didn't do enough to stop them before they moved beyond the "just saying things" stage.

    That was during war, when society gave them a "license" to go and kill. Going to your racist neighbor's house and shooting them in the head is much worse than anything they could say.

    The problem with this is that the Nazis rose to power precisely because we didn't do enough to stop them before they moved beyond the "just saying things" stage.

    2 votes
  5. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    I see. But you recognize that this needs a constitutional amendment, right?

    I just want to make it clear, I never said they were similar situations, just that I am okay with both of them.

    I see.

    Also yes, the United States needs competent hate speech laws.

    But you recognize that this needs a constitutional amendment, right?

  6. Comment on President Trump wrote Turkish President Erdogan a letter warning him not to be "a tough guy" or "a fool" as his forces launched their attack on northern Syria in ~news

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    So we're just to treat all of this as normally as possible? Do you not believe that contributes towards hypernormalization? Also, first and last submission...wow.

    The need to constantly editorialize without obvious need

    So we're just to treat all of this as normally as possible? Do you not believe that contributes towards hypernormalization?

    Also, first and last submission...wow.

    1 vote
  7. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    Wait, he was talking specifically about Nazis. And I'm pretty sure killing Nazis didn't make people during WWII "worse than a Nazi".

    Killing someone because they're racist makes you worse than a racist.

    Wait, he was talking specifically about Nazis. And I'm pretty sure killing Nazis didn't make people during WWII "worse than a Nazi".

    7 votes
  8. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    Hold up, public ISPs? You're fine with government violating the Constitution? Because, let's face it, until we amend it to forbid hate speech, then you're going to run up against some very hard...

    I'd be totally fine with private or public ISPs denying or cancelling service to those who spread hate speech, attend racist rallies, etc.

    Hold up, public ISPs? You're fine with government violating the Constitution? Because, let's face it, until we amend it to forbid hate speech, then you're going to run up against some very hard legal cases.

    In addition, giving this power away is something that isn't easily taken back. That is something that must be heavily considered.

    This is totally fine, in my opinion. If I have properties that I can rent, I'm sure as fuck not going to rent one out to some chud who might think some of my other tenants don't have the right to exist

    But that's a different situation. You own the property. You are providing a service: access to that property. That is a private entity not wishing to associate with another private entity.

    Denying internet, especially via a public utility, is a completely different ballgame.

    2 votes
  9. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    Also one of the only ways to deprogram Nazis is to ensure they have access to education that allows their deprogramming. If you cut them off from what is the largest avenue of education, then...

    Also one of the only ways to deprogram Nazis is to ensure they have access to education that allows their deprogramming.

    If you cut them off from what is the largest avenue of education, then you're all but ensuring they will radicalize more, not less. You're encouraging their existing persecution complex unnecessarily.

    This entire conversation is being framed really weirdly. It's not a "slippery slope", and very few people would agree with Nazis not having electricity, or Internet, or water (the only response here that says they shouldn't kind of hand-waves the issues or nuance away).

    Is it a utility (or something people widely consider a utility, like Internet)? Then why should they be blocked from having it?

    8 votes
  10. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    Also it's a difference between a utility and a private service. Even though PG&E is a private service, electricity, in most people's minds, should be a utility, like water.

    Also it's a difference between a utility and a private service. Even though PG&E is a private service, electricity, in most people's minds, should be a utility, like water.

  11. Comment on Do Nazis deserve electricity? in ~talk

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    Because they are increasingly good at hiding their power level and playing by the rules while simultaneously pushing dogwhistles that are readily deniable.

    Why is it better to preemptively ban them instead of banning them once they display their homophobic behaviors?

    Because they are increasingly good at hiding their power level and playing by the rules while simultaneously pushing dogwhistles that are readily deniable.

    3 votes
  12. Comment on What Teaching Ethics in Appalachia Taught Me About Bridging America’s Partisan Divide in ~humanities

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    So how do you deprogram a cultist?

    So how do you deprogram a cultist?

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  13. Comment on What Teaching Ethics in Appalachia Taught Me About Bridging America’s Partisan Divide in ~humanities

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    Yes, but the end result is the same: they answer with "why do I want the most people to have the most freedom? I've got my freedom".

    Maybe thought experiments like "how would you go about getting the most freedom for the most people" would have better results

    Yes, but the end result is the same: they answer with "why do I want the most people to have the most freedom? I've got my freedom".

  14. Comment on What Teaching Ethics in Appalachia Taught Me About Bridging America’s Partisan Divide in ~humanities

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    The unknown principle is emotional irrationality, mainly surrounding, as you point out, selfish tendencies. So long as supporting Trump gets them more stuff, then that's what they're going to choose.

    The unknown principle is emotional irrationality, mainly surrounding, as you point out, selfish tendencies. So long as supporting Trump gets them more stuff, then that's what they're going to choose.

    1 vote
  15. Comment on The Report Was About Turkey Bombing Syria. ABC Showed Video From a Kentucky Gun Range. in ~news

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    Tinfoil hat time: Some alt-righter laundered the Kentucky video and passed it off as real footage to an all-too-eager ABC, then sat back and waited for the "gotcha". It's simply far too widespread...

    Tinfoil hat time: Some alt-righter laundered the Kentucky video and passed it off as real footage to an all-too-eager ABC, then sat back and waited for the "gotcha".

    It's simply far too widespread a "controversy" over something so ridiculously minor as a 15 second video clip played on a nightly news broadcast. It's being swarmed by pro-Trump people everywhere it's posted, and it's almost laughable how quickly they fall off once it's no longer in the limelight.

    1 vote
  16. Comment on What's something you think more people should know about/be aware of? in ~talk

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    "Strong opinions held loosely" is one of my guiding principles.

    "Strong opinions held loosely" is one of my guiding principles.

    6 votes
  17. Comment on Exclusive: Official Who Heard Call Says Trump Got 'Rolled' By Turkey and 'Has No Spine' in ~news

  18. Comment on President Trump's lawyers said the President and his administration won't cooperate in an ongoing impeachment inquiry in ~news

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    I really hope Democrats pull out video clips of their fellow Republicans arguing exactly these points during the Clinton impeachment. I know they're incapable of feeling shame, but they really...

    I really hope Democrats pull out video clips of their fellow Republicans arguing exactly these points during the Clinton impeachment. I know they're incapable of feeling shame, but they really should be confronted with their hypocrisy.

    4 votes
  19. Comment on President Trump's lawyers said the President and his administration won't cooperate in an ongoing impeachment inquiry in ~news

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    America has fully descended into USSR-mode. Full on disinformation campaigns conducted by the executive branch.

    America has fully descended into USSR-mode. Full on disinformation campaigns conducted by the executive branch.

    3 votes