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Italy needs immigration, admits Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni as she softens her stance

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  1. [9]
    ibuprofen
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    No she didn't. Needing immigration is very much not the same thing as needing migrants. Shame on The Telegraph for fudging the two positions.

    Italy needs migration, admits Giorgia Meloni

    No she didn't.

    However, she said that she was open to creating more legal routes into her country as “Europe and Italy need immigration”.

    Needing immigration is very much not the same thing as needing migrants. Shame on The Telegraph for fudging the two positions.

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    1. [8]
      Kitahara_Kazusa
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      I'm really curious what you think the difference between those two words is.

      I'm really curious what you think the difference between those two words is.

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      1. [2]
        stu2b50
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        Migrants is a broader term and in current European politics, the implication is refugees. Immigration implies a filtered set of individuals who are approved to work in the country, and implies...

        Migrants is a broader term and in current European politics, the implication is refugees. Immigration implies a filtered set of individuals who are approved to work in the country, and implies skilled or educated workers, since the country has optionality and can select for that criteria.

        That being said, I wouldn't say that "migration" is coded like that. I don't see anything wrong with how the Telegraph worded that.

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        1. ibuprofen
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          In the Italian context, migrants means "unwanted people showing up in boats." Meloni has not softened her stance on this. The headline is misleading and irresponsible.

          In the Italian context, migrants means "unwanted people showing up in boats." Meloni has not softened her stance on this. The headline is misleading and irresponsible.

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      2. [5]
        ibuprofen
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        The process by which they arrive in the new country.

        The process by which they arrive in the new country.

        1. [4]
          Kitahara_Kazusa
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          You can have immigration from refugees and you can have migrants who come from first world countries. Immigration is the process and migrants are the people, that's the only distinction.

          You can have immigration from refugees and you can have migrants who come from first world countries. Immigration is the process and migrants are the people, that's the only distinction.

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          1. [3]
            ibuprofen
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            That ignores how the terms are commonly used. Migrants in a 2023 headline does not mean "anyone who moves from one country to another." It means people who show up uninvited and try to stay....

            That ignores how the terms are commonly used.

            Migrants in a 2023 headline does not mean "anyone who moves from one country to another." It means people who show up uninvited and try to stay. Changing the word Meloni used is incredibly irresponsible and completely changes the position she conveyed.

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            1. [2]
              Kitahara_Kazusa
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              Well yes, typically when migrants make headlines, people are talking about the people who are showing up uninvited. Generally that's more newsworthy than the people who are invited. But the same...

              Well yes, typically when migrants make headlines, people are talking about the people who are showing up uninvited. Generally that's more newsworthy than the people who are invited. But the same is true for the word immigration, if you see a headline talking about immigration problems in Texas or Greece you can reasonably assume that it's going to be the illegal kind.

              In this case since it's a politician talking about increasing immigration/the number of migrants, it should be easy enough to assume that it's legal immigration/migrants that are being discussed, regardless of which word is used.

              1. ibuprofen
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                One shouldn't have to assume. Meloni said "immigrants" which as you say carries the clear connotation of selectively invited and pre-approved immigrants. Changing the headline to migrants only...

                One shouldn't have to assume. Meloni said "immigrants" which as you say carries the clear connotation of selectively invited and pre-approved immigrants.

                Changing the headline to migrants only makes her meaning less clear.

  2. cfabbro
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    Edited the title to be more accurate, and hopefully prevent the comments from continuing to focus solely on the headline.

    Edited the title to be more accurate, and hopefully prevent the comments from continuing to focus solely on the headline.

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