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Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of April 1

This thread is posted weekly - please try to post all relevant Israel-Hamas war content in here, such as news, updates, opinion articles, etc. Extremely significant events may warrant a separate topic, but almost all should be posted in here.

Please try to avoid antagonistic arguments and bickering matches. Comment threads that devolve into unproductive arguments may be removed so that the overall topic is able to continue.

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  1. JCPhoenix
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    NPR -- World Central Kitchen workers killed by Israeli strike in Gaza, José Andrés says

    NPR -- World Central Kitchen workers killed by Israeli strike in Gaza, José Andrés says

    José Andrés, the founder of the World Central Kitchen that feeds people in war and disaster zones, said Monday that his organization has lost "several" of its international volunteers in an Israeli airstrike in the Gaza Strip.

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    Footage that The Associated Press said was from the Al-Aqsa Hospital in central Gaza showed at least four bodies, some wearing protective body armor and one wearing a T-shirt with the WCK logo on it. Hospital staff said the passports of the dead indicated one of them was British, another Australian and one Polish. The nationality of the fourth was not immediately clear. Other reports indicated a Palestinian driver from the Gaza Strip was also killed.

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  2. skybrian
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    Inside the ruins of Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital (Washington Post) ... ... ... ... ...

    Inside the ruins of Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital (Washington Post)

    Spokesmen for the Israel Defense Forces brought a handful of foreign journalists into the compound Sunday afternoon, just hours before the last special forces troops withdrew. A reporter and photographer from The Washington Post were there.

    The IDF offered a narrow view — a pinhole, really — but what we saw was destruction on a massive scale. Military censors did not review our words or photos.

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    Before this second offensive against al-Shifa, the hospital was still functioning, if just barely, after a first raid by Israel soldiers in November. When the March assault began two weeks ago, there were 6,000 people sheltering on the grounds, according to the IDF — patients, medical staff and displaced families.

    On Sunday, we didn’t see a single Palestinian.

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    We were told that Palestinian snipers remained in the area and that a handful of Hamas operatives might still be moving around the hospital buildings, based on night-vision sweeps of the compound.

    We saw only Israeli soldiers. In one darkened room, a platoon of commandos slept on the floor beside hallways strewn with trash.

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    The Israeli special forces described close-quarter combat with desperate fighters from Hamas who had been taken by surprise and barricaded themselves in emptied hospital wards, including elevator shafts and operating rooms.

    The Israelis said two Palestinian militants, in confrontations, used grenades to kill themselves, in what would be the first reported suicide bombings of this latest Gaza war. This could not be confirmed.

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    We were not given access to the last 140 Palestinians — staff and patients — who the IDF said were sheltering in a nearby building, waiting to be evacuated. The rest of the civilians had already been sent to other medical facilities, the military said, or were told to head south.

    “There was no medical care or drinking water or food” for the first three days of the raid, according to Mohamed al-Sikafi, 18, who texted with The Post last Tuesday after making it out of al-Shifa to a nearby hospital, one of the few still functioning in the north. “There are many patients whose health conditions declined.”

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    Earlier in the war, the IDF made much of the tunnels it found on the hospital grounds. The IDF described a vast underground command and control center, a virtual city. But definitive evidence was lacking. There were clearly tunnels. But where was Hamas?

    As it turns out, the Israeli commando colonel stressed that the tunnel system may not have been as important as the IDF once thought. Instead, the colonel said, the Hamas operatives in recent months were working above ground, inside offices and wards. The IDF showed pictures of what it said were cash, rifles, RPGs, grenades, mortars and some Hamas documents found on-site.

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  3. FarraigePlaisteach
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    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/04/02/strike-that-killed-world-central-kitchen-workers-bears-hallmarks-of-israeli-precision-strike/

    In order to achieve accurate targeting, platforms which take part in this kind of targeting, such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles or fast jets, are equipped with advanced optics and sensor pods. These are capable of extremely high optical magnification.

    This is notable because at least one of the vehicles clearly bears the logo of World Central Kitchen on the roof. It is likely these markings would have been visible from above when the strike was carried out, although this depends on the capability of the optic used to track the vehicle.

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/04/02/strike-that-killed-world-central-kitchen-workers-bears-hallmarks-of-israeli-precision-strike/

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  4. [2]
    skybrian
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    Israeli cabinet approves reopening northern Gaza border crossing for first time since October 7, official says (CNN) I’m wondering what happened at Erez Crossing on October 7th? The news articles...

    Israeli cabinet approves reopening northern Gaza border crossing for first time since October 7, official says (CNN)

    Israel’s security cabinet has approved reopening of the Erez crossing between Israel and northern Gaza for the first time since the October 7 Hamas attacks, an Israeli official told CNN Thursday.

    The Israeli official said the crossing would be opened to allow more humanitarian aid to enter blockaded Gaza. The cabinet also approved using the Israeli Port of Ashdod to help transfer more aid to Gaza.

    It comes after US President Joe Biden said Thursday that the overall humanitarian situation in Gaza had become unacceptable in a call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and warned Israel to take steps to address the crisis or face consequences.

    The Erez crossing, a pedestrian passageway, was one of the border points breached by Hamas fighters on October 7 when they launched their bloody attack on Israel, killing 1,200 people and taking 250 others hostage.

    It remains unclear how the reopening will be implemented; the volumes of aid deliveries that have been allowed through crossings in Gaza’s southern border so far have been insufficient compared to the scale of human suffering in the territory.

    I’m wondering what happened at Erez Crossing on October 7th? The news articles I’ve seen describe it very briefly, in conflicting ways. Wikipedia was no help.

    Here’s the Guardian:

    Israel to reopen Erez crossing into Gaza after Biden sounds warning over protecting civilians

    Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has said his security cabinet has approved a series of steps to increase the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza, including the temporary reopening of a key crossing that was destroyed in the 7 October Hamas attack.

    What does “was destroyed” mean here?

    On Thursday Biden called for an “immediate ceasefire” in Gaza following a phone call between the US president and Netanyahu, their first since Israeli airstrikes killed seven WCK employees.

    In Thursday’s call, which lasted less than 30 minutes, the US president issued the strongest US rebuke toward Israel since the start of the conflict. He “made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement a series of specific, concrete and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering and the safety of aid workers”, the White House said in a statement.

    “He made clear that US policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel’s immediate action on these steps.”

    Biden said that an “immediate ceasefire is essential” and urged Israel to reach a deal with Hamas “without delay”, the White House said.

    Biden’s comments were echoed by his secretary of state, Antony Blinken, who said US support would be curtailed if Israel failed to adjust its conduct. “If we don’t see the changes that we need to see, there will be changes in our policy,” he told reporters in Brussels.

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    1. skybrian
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      Here’s more about Erez crossing: Why Israel may reopen a key crossing with Gaza (Washington Post) … …

      Here’s more about Erez crossing:

      Why Israel may reopen a key crossing with Gaza (Washington Post)

      The border crossing, known to Palestinians as the Beit Hanoun crossing, was a key checkpoint between the Gaza Strip and Israel before the war, primarily used for foot traffic rather than the transport of goods or aid. Those typically allowed through included Palestinian patients, workers and a limited number of international and local organization employees, as well as international staff of diplomatic missions and institutions.

      To pass through the checkpoint, pedestrians traversed a long, enclosed walkway bracketed by a lattice of metal bars, under strict security. Israel determined which categories of people were permitted to enter and exit through Erez, while Hamas occasionally exercised authority over the entry of certain Palestinians and foreigners.

      Erez was one of 14 places along Gaza’s border with Israel that Hamas militants breached on Oct. 7, according to a Washington Post investigation. Photos taken after the attack showed damage to the facility, with a large section of the covered footpath destroyed.

      According to satellite imagery and an on-the-ground report by Al Jazeera, a road at the crossing has been razed, raising questions about how quickly infrastructure could be repaired to facilitate the transit of aid in to Gaza.

      Even if Erez reopens, aid delivery could face the same hurdles seen at the other two points of entry by land into the Gaza Strip — Rafah and Kerem Shalom, both in southern Gaza.

      Aid groups and the international community, including the United Nations, have said that onerous checks and arbitrary rules by Israel have slowed and hampered efforts to get aid into Gaza. A small portion of the trucks waiting to deliver aid into Gaza are allowed in. Once they do enter Gaza, they face security issues as Gazan police have been struck by Israel, leading aid groups to hesitate to deliver aid as their safety is not guaranteed.

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  5. skybrian
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    Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online security lapse (The Guardian)

    Top Israeli spy chief exposes his true identity in online security lapse (The Guardian)

    The Guardian has confirmed with multiple sources that Sariel is the secret author of The Human Machine Team, a book in which he offers a radical vision for how artificial intelligence can transform the relationship between military personnel and machines.

    Published in 2021 using a pen name composed of his initials, Brigadier General YS, it provides a blueprint for the advanced AI-powered systems that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have been pioneering during the six-month war in Gaza.

    An electronic version of the book included an anonymous email address that can easily be traced to Sariel’s name and Google account. Contacted by the Guardian, an IDF spokesperson said the email address was not Sariel’s personal one, but “dedicated specifically for issues to do with the book itself”.

    Later on Friday, in a statement to the Israeli media, the IDF described the book’s exposure of Sariel’s personal details as “a mistake”, adding: “The issue will be examined to prevent the recurrence of similar cases in the future.”

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    thearctic
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    Could we reconsider titling this as the "Israel-Hamas War"? We don't need to call it a genocide, since there's a whole legal debate over what that term should mean, but it would be much more...

    Could we reconsider titling this as the "Israel-Hamas War"? We don't need to call it a genocide, since there's a whole legal debate over what that term should mean, but it would be much more accurate to call it something like the "Israeli operation in Gaza" or, as Wikipedia has, the "Israeli Invasion of the Gaza Strip".

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      skybrian
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      Oddly, Wikipedia has both articles: Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip (2023–present) The first article points to the second one as the "main article" when it gets to that point...

      Oddly, Wikipedia has both articles:

      The first article points to the second one as the "main article" when it gets to that point in the timeline.

      I would be happy with either, since we aren't talking about October 7 much anymore. Although, who knows, maybe the Houthis will become more active?

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        thearctic
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        The conflict between Israel and Hamas might be a subset of what is happening, but an explicit aim of Israel at this point seems to be terrorizing the civilian population through collective...

        The conflict between Israel and Hamas might be a subset of what is happening, but an explicit aim of Israel at this point seems to be terrorizing the civilian population through collective punishment. And that aim in some ways undermines their efforts in a standard war against Hamas alone significantly enough to question whether the situation can be described as being mostly a war. I'd favor "Israeli Invasion of the Gaza Strip" since it's a more general term that encompasses both aspects.

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          skybrian
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          You’re making a statement about Israeli motivation that I’m not sure holds up. I’m also doubtful that terrorizing the general population in Gaza helps Israel, but I think the Israeli government...

          You’re making a statement about Israeli motivation that I’m not sure holds up. I’m also doubtful that terrorizing the general population in Gaza helps Israel, but I think the Israeli government sees it differently? They seem to think it helps defeat Hamas.

          Understanding motives from what’s happening isn’t straightforward because other people can see their self-interest differently than we do. For example, invading Ukraine seemed like a bad idea to us, but Putin did it anyway.

          If it’s explicit, well, where did they say it? But people can lie, so understanding motives from what they say isn’t straightforward either.

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            thearctic
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            If Israel is the party that declared it a war to end Hamas and their actions are clearly undermining their war aims, it begs the question if it can really be called a war to end Hamas. The Israeli...

            If Israel is the party that declared it a war to end Hamas and their actions are clearly undermining their war aims, it begs the question if it can really be called a war to end Hamas. The Israeli regime isn't dumb, so I can't see that their sincere aim is to end Hamas (especially considering Netanyahu's historical support for Hamas to undermine the PA), but to push out the Palestinian population from the Gaza strip.

            The difference in what one understands to be their self-interest may confuse an analysis of whether that party is rational and, by extension, whether a motive can be inferred from their actions. But once their understanding of self-interest is understood, I don't think there's any issue there. Putin values autonomy and stemming liberalization of the Russian system over economic prosperity from trading with the West. His decision to invade Ukraine can be understood to be to create a moat against eastward liberalization over, say, a desire for conquest for economic gain.

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              skybrian
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              You say they’re “not dumb” and that’s certainly true in some ways. Maybe it makes you wonder what they’re really up to? That’s fine, I wonder about that too. But better to leave that question open...

              You say they’re “not dumb” and that’s certainly true in some ways. Maybe it makes you wonder what they’re really up to? That’s fine, I wonder about that too. But better to leave that question open than to substitute your own reasoning to answer it.

              Consider how badly this sort of thinking fails for deterrence. You could say that the October 7 attack was a really dumb move, strategically, considering the likely result, but it still happened. The assumption that an opponent is a rational actor can fail spectacularly, if you assume too much about how they think.

              It also fails pretty badly for religious beliefs, which often look pretty silly from the outside, and yet, it’s a mistake to assume people don’t believe their own religion.

              One reason to believe that Israel’s goal is to “end Hamas” is because they are constantly saying that it’s what they want to do. Maybe that’s too simple, but it’s evidence for that belief.

              I believe that Israel believes in deterrence, that by hitting the enemy harder than they hit you, it will deter future attacks. That’s pretty consistent with their history? The track record for this succeeding isn’t so great, as far as actually achieving security, but they still believe it.

              And when that fails, try harder.

              You can see this as an extreme form of nationalism. When nations are attacked, the response is often not “proportionate.”

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              1. [2]
                thearctic
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                I can't see the sense in this sentiment, when there are serious and plausible alternative hypotheses to contend with. Netanyahu has made explicitly clear his plans for a greater Israel, and he...

                You say they’re “not dumb” and that’s certainly true in some ways. Maybe it makes you wonder what they’re really up to? That’s fine, I wonder about that too. But better to leave that question open than to substitute your own reasoning to answer it.

                I can't see the sense in this sentiment, when there are serious and plausible alternative hypotheses to contend with. Netanyahu has made explicitly clear his plans for a greater Israel, and he gave a presentation with maps to the UN stating so.

                I don't see the October 7th attack from Hamas at all as irrational. Their goal was to sabotage the Abraham Accords by revitalizing the Islamic world's opposition against Israel, and they got exactly that.

                It also fails pretty badly for religious beliefs, which often look pretty silly from the outside, and yet, it’s a mistake to assume people don’t believe their own religion.

                Rationality should always be defined with respect to an endpoint. Actors are irrational if they fail to properly assess what gets them further or closer to their endpoint. Religious people can still be "rational" towards the end of achieving peace of mind, having a sense of community, and preserving culture and tradition (especially when those things are privileged over, say, the pursuit of scientific knowledge). It would be irrational toward profit-maximization, for instance, to burn a wad of cash.

                I believe that Israel believes in deterrence, that by hitting the enemy harder than they hit you, it will deter future attacks.

                I think this may potentially be the plurality view among the Israeli populace, but Netanyahu and everyone to the right of him have plans to create a greater Israel and I don't believe they're doing a tit-for-tat deterrence.

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                1. skybrian
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                  I'm cautious about claims made by Israel's critics. They're probably based on something, but unlikely to put it into context. So I looked it up. Here is the full text of that speech. He seems to...

                  Netanyahu has made explicitly clear his plans for a greater Israel

                  I'm cautious about claims made by Israel's critics. They're probably based on something, but unlikely to put it into context. So I looked it up. Here is the full text of that speech.

                  He seems to be boasting about treaties that Israel made with Arab countries:

                  Yet in 2020, under the approach that I advocated, we tried something different, and in no time we achieved a remarkable breakthrough. We achieved four peace treaties working with the United States. Israel forged four peace agreements in four months with four Arab states: the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco.

                  (See Wikipedia for more about the Abraham accords.)

                  He also talks up the possibility of a peace agreement with Saudi Arabia:

                  Such a peace will go a long way to ending the Arab-Israeli conflict. It will encourage other Arab states to normalize relations with Israel. It will enhance the prospects of peace with the Palestinians.

                  He then takes a hawkish stance towards Iran:

                  Iran continues to threaten international shipping lanes, hold foreign nationals for ransom and engage in nuclear blackmail. Over the past year, its murderous goons have killed hundreds and arrested thousands of Iran’s brave citizens.

                  Then he talks about AI for some reason.

                  There's little mention of the Palestinians. The main point he makes is that they were able to make peace treaties with Arab countries without first making a peace treaty with the Palestinians, and that he hopes they might eventually come around.

                  I suppose the maps could be seen as a troll of some sort, though?

                  But anyway, this was before October 7, when many things changed. I don't think it tells us all that much about Israeli intentions now.

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      2. Tuaam
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        If I recall correctly "Israel-Hamas war" refers to the full conflict starting from Oct 7th to now, and the Israeli-Invasion of the Gaza Strip is a phase of the conflict much like how the initial...

        If I recall correctly "Israel-Hamas war" refers to the full conflict starting from Oct 7th to now, and the Israeli-Invasion of the Gaza Strip is a phase of the conflict much like how the initial Hamas incursion was the first phase of the war.

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