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  1. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    That sounds like fun. I’m happy to send you on what I have. I’m really just getting started, though. I haven’t rated the most important stuff yet. I’m sure there’s a way to query a...

    That sounds like fun. I’m happy to send you on what I have. I’m really just getting started, though. I haven’t rated the most important stuff yet. I’m sure there’s a way to query a subsonic-compatible server ands retrieve a list of ratings!

  2. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    In hindsight, it could have been a lot easier if I’d done what you did and just gave a binary rating for the songs and then scored the albums based on that. Thanks for sharing the insights. I know...

    In hindsight, it could have been a lot easier if I’d done what you did and just gave a binary rating for the songs and then scored the albums based on that.

    Thanks for sharing the insights. I know what you mean about being surprised by results. That’s giving me motivation to continue and it’s changing my listening. Parcels | Tieduprightnow is high up on my results too, with Shadows by Remy van Kesteren in top position as of now.

  3. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    That’s a seriously nice touch! I’m using a subsonic server and it doesn’t support that feature, but I might ping the dev about it. Thanks for the heads up. That would suit me perfectly.

    That’s a seriously nice touch! I’m using a subsonic server and it doesn’t support that feature, but I might ping the dev about it. Thanks for the heads up. That would suit me perfectly.

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  4. Comment on Queering the Map in ~lgbt

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    This is absolutely fantastic OP, thanks for sharing. I could barely find my country because it has so many pins in it. It’s delightful to read the messages.

    This is absolutely fantastic OP, thanks for sharing. I could barely find my country because it has so many pins in it. It’s delightful to read the messages.

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  5. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    I’m going to go with something like that in future. I’ll use no star for anything I dislike instead of one star.

    I’m going to go with something like that in future. I’ll use no star for anything I dislike instead of one star.

  6. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    That's a really interesting take on this. In theory I should be doing it this way since I'm not a collector - I don't want to keep any material I won't listen to and enjoy. The only issue for me...

    That's a really interesting take on this. In theory I should be doing it this way since I'm not a collector - I don't want to keep any material I won't listen to and enjoy.

    The only issue for me is that if I like an album overall but don't like some of the tracks, I can't bring myself to delete them. For some reason I have to preserve the album integrity. The exception there is if there are just two or three good tracks: in this case I'd copy them to my folder of singles and remove the album from the application itself.

    I could use your system for movies, books or singles, though. Thanks for the suggestion. These answers are helping me see that the problem stems in part from unintentional accumulation of albums. I'll jettison many of these as I go and be far more conscious of what I keep from now on.

  7. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    Thank you for re-introducing me to the mode. I haven't seen that since I was in school many years ago. It does appear to represent the albums better: Album A: 4, 4, 4, 2, 2 gives Mean: 3.2...

    Thank you for re-introducing me to the mode. I haven't seen that since I was in school many years ago. It does appear to represent the albums better:

    • Album A: 4, 4, 4, 2, 2 gives Mean: 3.2 (rounded to 3), Mode: 4
    • Album B: 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 gives Mean: 3, Mode: 3
    • Album C: 5, 5, 1, 1, 1 gives Mean: 2.6 (rounded to 3), Mode: 1

    That seems to give more meaning to the ratings of the tracks in an album. The other good thing about this is that it's easy to do without changing how I rated the tracks in the first place.

    If a balance between the two exists, that could be even better. Maybe something that uses the mean and the mode? but I think considering I'm looking to represent the dominant rating rather than just an average, this is an improvement. Thank you!

    Edit: I've just encountered a situation where the mode does the opposite of what I wanted, so I'll have to abandon it. But it was a very interesting experiment. Basically, raising the rating of a song on an album lowered the rating of the album itself. Here's the data:

    • value=1,5,4,4,3,2,3 gives mode of 4. But raising the first song by two points:
    • value=3,5,4,4,3,2,3 gives mode of 3.

  8. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    Actually, this is really interesting. For my system that would make it easier because I'd either like or not like a song (a binary) and rate the album based on that. I think you're right that...

    Actually, this is really interesting. For my system that would make it easier because I'd either like or not like a song (a binary) and rate the album based on that. I think you're right that there's something deeper that I'm not capturing using my current system.

    I'll continue as I am for the first iteration and use that to identify albums to delete (or archive). Then as I listen more recreationally next time around I'll give myself a bit more freedom to go by feeling. I'm avoiding it this time because I don't want to allow more music through that might be challenging at the moment (and might rank lowly) and see if a few more listenings might change my attitude. Thanks for the ideas!

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  9. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    That makes a lot of sense, and I like the idea of defining a five-star album as one that I can listen to from beginning to end without skipping anything. I did find - eventually - a few five star...

    That makes a lot of sense, and I like the idea of defining a five-star album as one that I can listen to from beginning to end without skipping anything.

    I did find - eventually - a few five star results for albums. I thought it was never going to happen. This was based purely on the calculations. But one problem I still have is that the rating of 3 represents a relatively wide range of personal feelings towards those albums. So I think when you say that things fall apart by my averaging the song ratings to rate the albums, you're correct.

    I'm starting to think I'll do a few passes in this case. For news stuff I'm listening to blind, I'll use the calculated method. And when I start to bond with the album a bit more (sounds cheesy but hopefully you know what I mean) I can tweak it either with a better formula as whbboyd mentioned, or on more personal criteria that yourself and others suggested.

    I think the difficulty is that so many of the albums are unfamiliar to me. Half of them are albums I bought because I really liked them, but half are random ones I ended up with while DJing. I haven't got a feel for them yet and I might be rushing it. Thanks for the comment!

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  10. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    Thís is great. When I do my averages on the calculator, I do get varied remainders that just get rounded up. I could use those variances to renormalise, or pick a different function than mean. One...

    Thís is great. When I do my averages on the calculator, I do get varied remainders that just get rounded up. I could use those variances to renormalise, or pick a different function than mean.

    One thing I could do is instead of representing something I don't ever want to hear again with 1 star, I could represent that with 0. I didn't want to do that this time because since my library is currently unrated, everything is currently 0. So by going no lower than 1 I can tell which tracks haven't been rated yet.

    So I think when I'm finished my first iteration I'll do that as well as taking your suggestions on board and spreading out the meaning of the values further. That way I won't have a load of albums with a rating of 3 that actually hold varying levels of appeal.

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  11. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    That's a good system. I think if I'd been more intentional with my collection (I was a DJ for a few years and amassed all kinds of nonsense) I could go with a system like that based on personal...

    That's a good system. I think if I'd been more intentional with my collection (I was a DJ for a few years and amassed all kinds of nonsense) I could go with a system like that based on personal connection to the music. I might try that after I've finished my first iteration.

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  12. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    Yeah, music has various purposes like ambience - just like you said. I was good at vibes-based sorting/rating when I had a much smaller collection years ago (max 30 albums). But now instead of a...

    Yeah, music has various purposes like ambience - just like you said. I was good at vibes-based sorting/rating when I had a much smaller collection years ago (max 30 albums). But now instead of a small intimate collection I have a huge library with some stuff I don't even recognise haha. The plan now is to start deleting and get back to that, so maybe I can get back to simplicity and feeling again soon.

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  13. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    That's relatable. That's why this is so difficult I think. I've decided to be consistent for reasons I'm not fully sure of. But the result aren't what I expected. A three-tier system might have...

    That's relatable. That's why this is so difficult I think. I've decided to be consistent for reasons I'm not fully sure of. But the result aren't what I expected.

    A three-tier system might have simplified things if the apps supported it by default. I might not need to rate individual songs, but rather albums. But I'm enjoying the admin aspect of it, oddly enough.

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  14. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    That's absolutely valid. And I think that's why I'm not entirely happy with my approach. But it was the only way I really know how to do it. How do you decide how to rate albums: vibes? That's...

    That's absolutely valid. And I think that's why I'm not entirely happy with my approach. But it was the only way I really know how to do it.

    How do you decide how to rate albums: vibes? That's generally how I decide what to favourite since for me music is first and foremost about vibes.

    It's tricky when some music I listen to is not because I love it, but because it's a good palette cleanser (such as certain jazz or classical). So I end up needing to rate those higher because they're important, but not necessarily music that moves me the way I wish it did.

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  15. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    Honestly, I agree so much. Music applications have had this 5-star rating facility since the early 2000s at least and I always thought it was for masochists! As you say, moods change and what...

    Honestly, I agree so much. Music applications have had this 5-star rating facility since the early 2000s at least and I always thought it was for masochists! As you say, moods change and what might score highly now might not in a month or a year. It just seemed so pointless.

    I'm lucky(ish) to have the time so I'm using it as an exercise to make the days pass more quickly and get more intimate with my admittedly gluttonous collection of albums gained over the decades. Maybe in a year I can do a retrospective here and say if it was worth the effort or not. Hey, maybe it would make a good retirement project for you :)

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  16. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    Reconsidering the way I do rounding is an interesting idea! t would certainly help the current situation where it appears I have no really good music :) You're basically making me rethink how...

    Reconsidering the way I do rounding is an interesting idea! t would certainly help the current situation where it appears I have no really good music :)

    You're basically making me rethink how special I want 5-stars to be: a rarity or more inclusive of less-than-perfect albums. I've given it some thought and tried rating my favourites (as suggested by Eji1700) and decided that having fewer 5-star albums probably works best for me. The reason for that is I would prefer a smaller collection any way (I'm not a collector as such. I actively listen to what I have). So your suggestion of deleting albums that rank lowest would actually help me with decision fatigue. And by keeping the 5-star mark a rarity, I can achieve a leaner collection.

    Thanks for poking my brain on this! I read both answers and in combination came up with this resolution which I'm now content with. Phew!

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  17. Comment on I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts? in ~music

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    Re-centering around 3 stars could work, actually. I've basically set myself up where 5-stars is outside of the bell curve. I think I'll start from your 3rd point: I'll grade my favourite albums...

    Re-centering around 3 stars could work, actually. I've basically set myself up where 5-stars is outside of the bell curve. I think I'll start from your 3rd point: I'll grade my favourite albums and see if the work with my existing criteria or if they expose a problem.

    (some time later)

    Okay, I've taken some absolute favourites of mine like Thriller by Michael Jackson (1982). 7 out of 9 songs get 5 stars and the remaining 2 get 4 stars, so it is possible. It might just be that the random 50 I started with were not representative enough.

    So I basically need to think now how special I want 5 stars to be. Do I only want absolutely excellent albums to reach that score, or I do I want to re-center my scores around 3 stars (as previously mentioned) and that way elevate more albums to the 5-star level. Thanks for unjamming my brain on this. It can be a bit stressful! :)

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  18. I tried ranking my albums out of five stars - I think I've gotten it wrong. Thoughts?

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    TLDR/Warning: this might be a tedious read. But I'm curious if I could have gone about rating my albums better. I tend to simply either favourite an album or not. The idea of giving albums and...

    TLDR/Warning: this might be a tedious read. But I'm curious if I could have gone about rating my albums better.

    I tend to simply either favourite an album or not. The idea of giving albums and tracks marks out of five stars seems tedious, difficult to match to how I feel and just doesn't match how my head works. But my collection has grown over the decades and I've been bed bound a lot lately, so I'm trying to organise/categorise based on my feelings towards the albums rather than genre. I'm also hoping to rejuvenate my old interest in music (playing in a band and recording for a living took the shine off of casual listening for me). I thought it would be an interesting experiment to try out, so I rated songs from over 50 albums.

    I came up with a rigid and hopefully balanced definition for each rating:

    • 1 star - Dislike. I hope I never hear this song again (but I'll keep it purely because it's part of the album)
    • 2 stars - Neutral. It doesn't annoy me, but it's too generic to be interesting
    • 3 stars - Sometimes this song hits the spot.
    • 4 stars - This song usually hits the spot.
    • 5 stars - This song always hits the spot.

    Then I rate the album out of five stars based on the average of the song ratings. The result is that no albums got 5 stars, a seven got 4 stars, the vast majority of albums are rated at 3 or 2 stars. Even among the 3-star albums, some I like much more than others depending on whether they contain mostly consistent 3-star songs or half 4-star songs and half 2-star songs.

    I wonder if the lack of 5-star albums is because of the definitions I gave each of the 1-5-star possibilities. For example, I don't know if any song "always hits the spot". Or maybe it's just that I'm not as into my music as I used to be.

    Anyway, I thought maybe people interested in music and data might have thoughts on going about this differently. It's worth asking before I do the next 1,000 albums :) Maybe you'd define each of the 5 stars differently. Any takers?

    Edit: thanks to everyone for reading all this and commenting their thoughts. I have a system I'm happy with now, but always happy to continue to chat with fellow (and reluctant) pedants about this.

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  19. Comment on What are you no longer a fan of? in ~talk

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    Sarcasm. Personally I find it’s just a way for the commenter to vent but is difficult to sometimes parse online, and doesn’t add any substance to discussion. The internet would be a lot nicer...

    Sarcasm. Personally I find it’s just a way for the commenter to vent but is difficult to sometimes parse online, and doesn’t add any substance to discussion. The internet would be a lot nicer without it.

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  20. Comment on UK Green Party wins Gorton and Denton by-election, pushing Labour into third place in ~society

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    I think we are :) And yes, FTPT is a crude tool for democratic aspirations. I am enjoying seeing this side of Britain and hope it will encourage more of it here at home too. We so desperately need...

    I think we are :)

    And yes, FTPT is a crude tool for democratic aspirations. I am enjoying seeing this side of Britain and hope it will encourage more of it here at home too.

    We so desperately need a break from the gaslighting of career politicians.

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