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Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of April 29
This thread is posted weekly - please try to post all relevant Israel-Hamas war content in here, such as news, updates, opinion articles, etc. Extremely significant events may warrant a separate topic, but almost all should be posted in here.
Please try to avoid antagonistic arguments and bickering matches. Comment threads that devolve into unproductive arguments may be removed so that the overall topic is able to continue.
A morally pure Judaism without actual Jews
And a similar article from earlier: How dare you reinterpret our religion for us?
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There is a strange irony here because I've seen numerous Zionists attempt to re-interpret Islamic theology to be strictly Zionist or champion values pertaining to Israel. I actually don't really know what to make of these articles, to be honest. Nothing makes sense anymore, I think everyone is just tired of the war at this point and we are at this point of no return where the people in power are doing worse things.
I don't know enough about Islam to respond to any such attempts, but to me your response came across as "whataboutism".
I think they can both be wrong, with neither excusing the other.
Fair, I didn't mean for my comment to be like that.
People say all sorts of things. The quality of discussion for heated political issues is often pretty low. It’s worth looking for reliable sources.
UCLA cancels classes after violence erupts on campus over the war in Gaza (AP News)
Here's a first person account by Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib about visiting the UCLA protest.
(On Twitter; not sure what the best way to archive it is.)
I see these protests as essentially importing a foreign conflict. It seems like a bad thing to have local conflicts spread around the world?
Maybe it would be better to somehow teach people to have more resistance to foreign memes. Terrible things happen elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean the conflict has to spread. People who leave the conflict area should feel safe and not have the conflict follow them.
It's hardly importing a foreign conflict given how much military aid the US is providing Israel. Even ignoring that it's not weird at all for people to care about atrocities happening in other parts of the world (plenty of people globally boycotted and protested apartheid South Africa, for example) this is a conflict the US very much has its fingers in.
That’s not what I meant. The fighting is not happening in the US. (Similarly for Ukraine. Doesn’t mean the US isn’t involved.)
Sure but you referred to the protests themselves as "importing a foreign conflict", when they're protesting US involvement in the conflict and their own university's financial contributions to one party in the conflict. Framing this as people not having "resistance to foreign memes" is a very disingenuous way of framing what these protests are actually about.
Palestinians don’t have the means to defend themselves from Israel and USA though so there is a moral obligation to stop the slaughter.
Pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli supporters in the US are in a much different and far less desperate situation. The connections between their conflicts (often over what symbolic moves colleges should make), the suffering in Gaza, and attempts to relieve that suffering seem rather indirect?
As an example, US efforts to build a port to deliver food to Gaza were announced in early March. It’s unclear what internal or external pressure that was responding to, but I hadn’t even heard that it was a possibility before that. It would be interesting to read about how that decision was made.
I don’t think protests do anything to get the port built faster, or to get the cease-fire negotiations done faster.
The US government has supported Israel for many decades and maybe that will come to an end soon (it seems long overdue) but I don’t see it happening quickly.
It’s because they’re in a less desperate situation that they can protest. Palestinians (or anyone facing defenceless slaughter) need people not being carpet bombed to be their voice.
I don’t feel like debating whether protest are effective or not. Maybe it feels that way where you’re based. I’ve seen otherwise in the history of my country. In Ireland a 21 year old shop assistant started a boycott of apartheid South African goods that made waves globally. Nelson Mandela talked about it. It wasn’t nothing.
But I feel that there’s an apathy or black and white thinking (like protesting won’t achieve 100% of the result - but it doesn’t need to). That’s a whole other topic.
My pessimism over protests doesn’t extend to all of them. For example, there seems to be a big one currently in Georgia. Apparently they protested last year and it worked - the government backed down. Reportedly, most of the population is behind them.
Why is the US different? Maybe because even large protests seem small compared to the entire country, so there’s an assumption that they only represent a minority opinion.
Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices, in dark day for media (The Guardian)
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Senior UN official says northern Gaza is now in 'full-blown famine' (NPR)
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What’s Really Happening on College Campuses, According to Student Journalists (Politico)
Key aid crossing into Gaza closed after rocket attack kills Israeli soldiers (The Guardian)
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/1/colombia-to-cut-diplomatic-ties-with-israel-over-gaza-war-petro-says?traffic_source=rss
ICC urged to delay possible war crimes charges against Israel and Hamas - https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/apr/29/icc-possible-war-crimes-charges-israel-hamas-g7