What the actual fuck, India? According to the fact finding report [pdf warning] from the UN Human Rights Council released just last month there is still ongoing "genocide, crimes against humanity...
What the actual fuck, India? According to the fact finding report [pdf warning] from the UN Human Rights Council released just last month there is still ongoing "genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes" taking place against the Rohingya, of which the Myanmar military and its commanding officers have been accused of directly taking part in, and you're just going to hand these men back over to Myanmar authorities!?
Which Islamic school are you referring to with that statement? Sunni, Shia, Ibadi? Which sect/order/branch/movement/political ideology/people? Should we be wary of the Sufis with their poetry, art...
Which Islamic school are you referring to with that statement? Sunni, Shia, Ibadi? Which sect/order/branch/movement/political ideology/people? Should we be wary of the Sufis with their poetry, art and music about love and connection between all things, their hashish smoking and dancing? What about Islamic Liberalism and their belief in equality, human rights and secularism? How about the Ahmadiyya who believe in spreading Islam "by the pen" using reason, and that militaristic Jihad is immoral and not applicable in the modern world? Should we be "wary" of all of them?
I can see saying we should be wary of the various radical/fundamentalist movements, such as Wahabism, but to make such an insanely broad, generalized statement as "But there is something to be said for being wary of Islam", which covers 1/4th the human population and treats them all as if they are a singular monolith entity, is not only absurd but also incredibly ignorant, IMO.
You and I both know I am not talking about the middle-class muslim family next door. They have their own cultures, as we have ours, and there is nothing wrong with that. What I suggested that we...
You and I both know I am not talking about the middle-class muslim family next door. They have their own cultures, as we have ours, and there is nothing wrong with that. What I suggested that we be wary of is the way Islam is being normalized. Why do people feel the need to touch the topic of Islam with a ten-foot pole? Is it some form of groupthink, or a way to virtue-signal?
Anyway, I was just replying to OP's post about islamophobia in the West. Just because these countries are (justly) wary of Islam doesn't mean they are discriminating against all muslims. OP's tone just rubbed me the wrong way. And yes, you are right. I should have used the specific term Wahhabism.
Being wary to the point of just blocking all Muslims from entering our countries? Being wary to the point of deporting people back to a country where they're being murdered, raped, and displaced?
Being wary to the point of just blocking all Muslims from entering our countries? Being wary to the point of deporting people back to a country where they're being murdered, raped, and displaced?
Of course you shouldn't refuse help to the weak and the weary, whenever you can. My post was just in response to your accusation of Islamophobia towards USA, Europe, and such, whereas it has been...
Of course you shouldn't refuse help to the weak and the weary, whenever you can. My post was just in response to your accusation of Islamophobia towards USA, Europe, and such, whereas it has been my experience online( in most communities ) that Islam is a religion vicariously defended, often by those who wish to show off their 'moral virtue'. Realize that I am not accusing you of anything like that, just pointing out that your complaints are not that apt. So no, I don't think the complaint of Islamophobia is justified.
It's just coincidence that all the alt-right groups rising up in western countries are speaking most loudly against Muslim immigrants and refugees? Australians are worried that an increasing...
So no, I don't think the complaint of Islamophobia is justified.
It's just coincidence that all the alt-right groups rising up in western countries are speaking most loudly against Muslim immigrants and refugees?
Australians are worried that an increasing population is over-stretching our infrastructure, and so there's a half-hearted debate going on here about a possible population policy - which obviously includes migration. Meanwhile, all refugees who attempt to come to Australia by boat are shipped off to nearby island countries, where they are detained in camps indefinitely. In this context, we have senior government ministers making remarks that we should rescue the white Christian farmers from South Africa and the Coptic Christians from Middle Eastern countries - but the Muslims having problems around the world should just stay where they are and fix the countries they're being persecuted in. Also, all Muslims are terrorists anyway, so why would we want those people here?
Tell me again how all these white western Christian countries aren't being Islamophobic when they turn away refugees who are mostly Muslims, while alt-right groups protest against Muslims.
I also think it's a bit rich that you "don't think the complaint of Islamophobia is justified" when you, yourself, say that "there is something to be said for being wary of Islam". If that's not Islamaphobia, I don't know what is!
I'm not even going to touch the topic of the alt-right and the far left, both are very reactionary. I think a touch of paranoia about Islam is justified, although if that paranoia overshadows all...
I'm not even going to touch the topic of the alt-right and the far left, both are very reactionary.
I think a touch of paranoia about Islam is justified, although if that paranoia overshadows all the other aspects, then yes, it does become Islamophobia. Look, I'm not a heartless monster, I do think humanity should come first. All I'm saying is that we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that Islam is just like any other religion. You want to remove Islamophobia? Well, first you have to oust all the fear-mongering politicians right-wing politicians, and also all the virtue signaling left-wing politicians, and start with rational policies.
I also think it's not accurate to accuse the Western countries of Islamophobia. Germany, France, and Sweden have been taking immigrants(a lot of them muslim) by the boatload.
Of course, you are correct in that a lot of anti-refugee rhetoric is politically motivated. Certainly, we should look past that, and I wouldn't want to be judged based only only by my religion(or lack thereof). I'm just saying that you're pulling an ostrich.
What the actual fuck, India? According to the fact finding report [pdf warning] from the UN Human Rights Council released just last month there is still ongoing "genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes" taking place against the Rohingya, of which the Myanmar military and its commanding officers have been accused of directly taking part in, and you're just going to hand these men back over to Myanmar authorities!?
Looks like the USA, Australia, and half of Europe are not the only places indulging in anti-Islam racism. It's nice to know we have company. :)
Discriminating against muslims on the basis of their religion is, of course, inhumane. But there is something to be said for being wary of Islam.
Which Islamic school are you referring to with that statement? Sunni, Shia, Ibadi? Which sect/order/branch/movement/political ideology/people? Should we be wary of the Sufis with their poetry, art and music about love and connection between all things, their hashish smoking and dancing? What about Islamic Liberalism and their belief in equality, human rights and secularism? How about the Ahmadiyya who believe in spreading Islam "by the pen" using reason, and that militaristic Jihad is immoral and not applicable in the modern world? Should we be "wary" of all of them?
I can see saying we should be wary of the various radical/fundamentalist movements, such as Wahabism, but to make such an insanely broad, generalized statement as "But there is something to be said for being wary of Islam", which covers 1/4th the human population and treats them all as if they are a singular monolith entity, is not only absurd but also incredibly ignorant, IMO.
You and I both know I am not talking about the middle-class muslim family next door. They have their own cultures, as we have ours, and there is nothing wrong with that. What I suggested that we be wary of is the way Islam is being normalized. Why do people feel the need to touch the topic of Islam with a ten-foot pole? Is it some form of groupthink, or a way to virtue-signal?
Anyway, I was just replying to OP's post about islamophobia in the West. Just because these countries are (justly) wary of Islam doesn't mean they are discriminating against all muslims. OP's tone just rubbed me the wrong way. And yes, you are right. I should have used the specific term Wahhabism.
Being wary to the point of just blocking all Muslims from entering our countries? Being wary to the point of deporting people back to a country where they're being murdered, raped, and displaced?
Of course you shouldn't refuse help to the weak and the weary, whenever you can. My post was just in response to your accusation of Islamophobia towards USA, Europe, and such, whereas it has been my experience online( in most communities ) that Islam is a religion vicariously defended, often by those who wish to show off their 'moral virtue'. Realize that I am not accusing you of anything like that, just pointing out that your complaints are not that apt. So no, I don't think the complaint of Islamophobia is justified.
It's just coincidence that all the alt-right groups rising up in western countries are speaking most loudly against Muslim immigrants and refugees?
Australians are worried that an increasing population is over-stretching our infrastructure, and so there's a half-hearted debate going on here about a possible population policy - which obviously includes migration. Meanwhile, all refugees who attempt to come to Australia by boat are shipped off to nearby island countries, where they are detained in camps indefinitely. In this context, we have senior government ministers making remarks that we should rescue the white Christian farmers from South Africa and the Coptic Christians from Middle Eastern countries - but the Muslims having problems around the world should just stay where they are and fix the countries they're being persecuted in. Also, all Muslims are terrorists anyway, so why would we want those people here?
Tell me again how all these white western Christian countries aren't being Islamophobic when they turn away refugees who are mostly Muslims, while alt-right groups protest against Muslims.
I also think it's a bit rich that you "don't think the complaint of Islamophobia is justified" when you, yourself, say that "there is something to be said for being wary of Islam". If that's not Islamaphobia, I don't know what is!
I'm not even going to touch the topic of the alt-right and the far left, both are very reactionary.
I think a touch of paranoia about Islam is justified, although if that paranoia overshadows all the other aspects, then yes, it does become Islamophobia. Look, I'm not a heartless monster, I do think humanity should come first. All I'm saying is that we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that Islam is just like any other religion. You want to remove Islamophobia? Well, first you have to oust all the fear-mongering politicians right-wing politicians, and also all the virtue signaling left-wing politicians, and start with rational policies.
I also think it's not accurate to accuse the Western countries of Islamophobia. Germany, France, and Sweden have been taking immigrants(a lot of them muslim) by the boatload.
Of course, you are correct in that a lot of anti-refugee rhetoric is politically motivated. Certainly, we should look past that, and I wouldn't want to be judged based only only by my religion(or lack thereof). I'm just saying that you're pulling an ostrich.