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Nikki Haley resigns as UN ambassador

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    1. Pilgrim
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      I always saw her pro-Israel stance as an extension of the administration's. Do you think that's not the case?

      I always saw her pro-Israel stance as an extension of the administration's. Do you think that's not the case?

      7 votes
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    Pilgrim
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    Highlights (not much too the article really):

    Highlights (not much too the article really):

    Nikki Haley has resigned as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

    It is not immediately clear what prompted the move. She informed her staff Tuesday, NPR's Michele Kelemen reports. Haley is scheduled to appear with President Trump at the Oval Office Tuesday morning.

    On Monday, the federal watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) called for the State Department's inspector general to launch an ethics investigation into Haley, regarding seven free flights on private planes that Haley and her husband accepted from three South Carolina businessmen in 2017.

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      MimicSquid
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      You missed: On Monday, the federal watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) called for the State Department's inspector general to launch an ethics investigation...

      You missed:

      On Monday, the federal watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) called for the State Department's inspector general to launch an ethics investigation into Haley, regarding seven free flights on private planes that Haley and her husband accepted from three South Carolina businessmen in 2017.

      8 votes
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        Pilgrim
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        Added. It was a core thing to the article, but at some point I feel like I'm just pasting the whole article when they're short like this.

        Added. It was a core thing to the article, but at some point I feel like I'm just pasting the whole article when they're short like this.

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        1. Algernon_Asimov
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          So don't copy it. Just let people read it for themselves.

          So don't copy it. Just let people read it for themselves.

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    2. RapidEyeMovement
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      Gearing up for a 2020 bid

      Gearing up for a 2020 bid

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    BuckeyeSundae
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    Not too surprising. People get tired of their jobs and leave. 21 months is a pretty reasonable amount of time, unlike almost all the other departures that happened to date in the Trump...

    Not too surprising. People get tired of their jobs and leave. 21 months is a pretty reasonable amount of time, unlike almost all the other departures that happened to date in the Trump administration. Whether she's opening herself up to the possibility of running in 2020 if Trump decides not to (the only way she runs in 2020, IMO) or looking to challenge Lindsey Graham for his 2020 senate seat and transition that to a candidacy in 2024 (much more likely), it's obvious that Nikky Haley is both sharp and ambitious (and has been for some time).

    Why specifically Lindsey Graham? They're both South Carolinians, where Nikki Haley was until relatively recently governor. Graham has also had a spotty record of supporting the Trump administration, and regularly lightly criticizes someone who is notoriously petty.

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      Pilgrim
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      Well not typically in politics though, right? I agree with everything else you said, but I doubt that she just got tired of her job. More likely she has other things in mind as you already did a...

      People get tired of their jobs and leave.

      Well not typically in politics though, right? I agree with everything else you said, but I doubt that she just got tired of her job. More likely she has other things in mind as you already did a great job of explaining.

      The article makes it sound like she could be saving face by resigning ahead of an ethics investigation, but I think your explanation more likely.

      4 votes
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        BuckeyeSundae
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        Even in politics. If you look at pretty much any other administration, a two-year stint is well within the realm of normal and scandal-less. It happened with Obama. It happened with Dubya. It...

        Even in politics. If you look at pretty much any other administration, a two-year stint is well within the realm of normal and scandal-less. It happened with Obama. It happened with Dubya. It happened with Bill--you might especially note the two year stint as Secretary of Agriculture that current Mississippi senate candidate Mike Epsy served.

        One key problem with the Trump administration has been the number of first and second year top-level departures, for sure, but Haleys does not smell like the others on this front. It smells like her leaving for the normal reasons that politicians leave these positions: They're tired and/or want to prepare for the next stage of their political careers.

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          Pilgrim
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          So I'm not trying to say it's marred by any scandal or abnormal, just that with all of the possible political machinations you listed, I think it more likely that it's one of those, rather than...

          So I'm not trying to say it's marred by any scandal or abnormal, just that with all of the possible political machinations you listed, I think it more likely that it's one of those, rather than "i'm bored."

          I recognize that my point was a bit pedantic, but it seemed to run counter to the rest of your statement, so I wanted to discuss it further.

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            BuckeyeSundae
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            Fatigue is not the same as boredom. You can love what you do but feel like you're stretched to the bone. That can be especially true if you're in a position (like Haley's) where you're being asked...

            Fatigue is not the same as boredom. You can love what you do but feel like you're stretched to the bone. That can be especially true if you're in a position (like Haley's) where you're being asked to travel a lot and defend nearly indefensible statements while representing your boss, the President.

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              Pilgrim
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              So is she fatigued or is she pursuing a political career?

              So is she fatigued or is she pursuing a political career?

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                BuckeyeSundae
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                Who is to say? They are observational equivalents from our point of view. That's like asking Schrodinger what's in the box. And the options aren't mutually exclusive. Campaigning takes a lot of...

                Who is to say? They are observational equivalents from our point of view. That's like asking Schrodinger what's in the box. And the options aren't mutually exclusive. Campaigning takes a lot of energy, so does the almost requisite book writing ahead of the campaigning.

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                  Pilgrim
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                  I mean you, apparently, right? You made both statements. I was just asking which one you thought more likely.

                  Who is to say?

                  I mean you, apparently, right? You made both statements. I was just asking which one you thought more likely.

                  1. BuckeyeSundae
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                    I'm saying I don't know, and I'll be content to wait to see.

                    I'm saying I don't know, and I'll be content to wait to see.

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    jlpoole
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    Seven free flights spawns flight.

    Seven free flights spawns flight.

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    1. Pilgrim
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      Now that's a headline!

      Now that's a headline!

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      Pilgrim
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      She would be a strong contender against any dem in 2020. And she might even make a good president.

      She would be a strong contender against any dem in 2020. And she might even make a good president.

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          Pilgrim
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          Oh for sure, I meant more of a "best of a bad lot" sort of thing.

          Ultimately, I think she is just as bad for America as any other Republican.

          Oh for sure, I meant more of a "best of a bad lot" sort of thing.

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          1. Eva
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            Would she? It seems like Rand Paul would probably end with significantly less people ruined from his policies than her with hers, as far as Republicans go.

            Would she? It seems like Rand Paul would probably end with significantly less people ruined from his policies than her with hers, as far as Republicans go.

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