Rightfully fucking so... they essentially turn semi-automatics into fully automatics with ease, effectively circumventing the requirements for owning an NFA Class III firearm. To see a semi-auto...
Rightfully fucking so... they essentially turn semi-automatics into fully automatics with ease, effectively circumventing the requirements for owning an NFA Class III firearm.
Bumps stocks are also what the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooter used on all his fourteen of his semi-auto AR-15s (twelve of which had 100-round magazines), which is what allowed him to do as much damage as he did in such a short amount of time. So I am glad they are now banned but it's not nearly enough IMO. High capacity mags need to go next. I don't imagine Trump's fanbase is going to be happy about this though.
I see it similar to having the sale of bombs illegal: people can still make them at home, but there's no positive result in the easy, widespread sale of them. If bombs could be purchased at...
I see it similar to having the sale of bombs illegal: people can still make them at home, but there's no positive result in the easy, widespread sale of them. If bombs could be purchased at Wall-Mart I'm sure there would be more bombings, same goes for bump-stocks and events like Vegas.
I respect your volition to keep using yours, as you seem like a respectful and sane human, but sadly not everyone shares the same grasp on reality.
Bombs aren't exactly difficult to make either and can be cobbled together with stuff from a hardware/plumbing store and some black powder, and bump stocks may be no different in the age of 3d...
Bombs aren't exactly difficult to make either and can be cobbled together with stuff from a hardware/plumbing store and some black powder, and bump stocks may be no different in the age of 3d printing, but that fact doesn't undermine the benefits of making them illegal. You can never truly prevent people from making something if they're determined enough, but you can make it harder for them to, make it impossible for them to acquire legally and also put in place the framework to make such an action punishable by law.
That's fair enough. But you do make a reasonable argument for why they should perhaps be reclassified as Class III, similar to silencers, rather than outright banning them.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
That's fair enough. But you do make a reasonable argument for why they should perhaps be reclassified as Class III, similar to silencers, rather than outright banning them.
If bump stocks are illegal, downloading a 3D model for one + buying a printer for it will raise as many red flags as buying explosive supplies at Home Depot. Even though the latter may take more...
If bump stocks are illegal, downloading a 3D model for one + buying a printer for it will raise as many red flags as buying explosive supplies at Home Depot. Even though the latter may take more labor, it's far cheaper to do, which should factor into its ease of use. Not every bomb needs to be a wired clock circuit with C4, there are way simpler ways to go about it.
As for existing owners of them, some grandfathering clause may be a decent enough solution. Or maybe just keeping them contained within shooting ranges (to keep/use only in registered locations) like some countries do will all firearms.
All the reasons you just gave can be said line-for-line about explosive devices, too. Point is there will always be a way to access them when we don't live in a 1984-like military surveillance...
All the reasons you just gave can be said line-for-line about explosive devices, too. Point is there will always be a way to access them when we don't live in a 1984-like military surveillance state, instead its a matter of how easily accessible they are.
Rudimentary bomb building is tremendously cheaper than buying a 3D printer and filament supplies. That's what I mean by easier. Slightly more labor may go into it, but overall the upfront cost can...
Rudimentary bomb building is tremendously cheaper than buying a 3D printer and filament supplies. That's what I mean by easier. Slightly more labor may go into it, but overall the upfront cost can be far lower.
Regulations you mention still make it less easy to access one, just like demolition teams get regulated access to explosives. Which is exactly what I'm saying. So we're in agreement there.
I usually won't comment on posts by people who love their guns. I don't love guns -- you and I will never agree. But this phrase, "overclocked monkey", made me laugh. Did you coin it or borrow it?...
overclocked monkey
I usually won't comment on posts by people who love their guns. I don't love guns -- you and I will never agree.
But this phrase, "overclocked monkey", made me laugh. Did you coin it or borrow it?
I know it is difficult to imagine a future USA. Intelligent people two centuries ago could not imagine the poor receiving an education. Such people one century ago could not imagine black USians being free. It was hard to imagine half a century ago that women would win the fight for pay equity and homosexuals would win the right to same-sex marriage. Given enough time, given enough social culture, Bad Ideas fall.
Some things are bad for society. Some things don't scale. Some personal kicks are destructive. You like guns because of where you live. There are socio-economic influences, and capitalism amplifies them for profit. If you had been born elsewhere, you would very likely have a different
set of kicks. The great cultures of the world don't have citizenry awash in an easy means of slaughter.
Let's be frank in the manner of Wittgenstein... I know absolutely nothing about you beyond what you have posted. I am not especially gifted with insight, and I have not delved further into your...
I think you've entered this thread with a complete misunderstanding of who I am as a gun owner
Let's be frank in the manner of Wittgenstein... I know absolutely nothing about you beyond what you have posted. I am not especially gifted with insight, and I have not delved further into your profile. (o:
I presume that you're right when you says that guns can be found in every country. But the US has a significant domestic gun business (protected by the Constitution), as well as being the largest weapons dealing nation in the world. Militarism infuses the social discourse. We are all very much products of social conditioning. Had you been raised elsewhere in your own or another country, you might have a very different notion of self.
People may not be crazy now, but they may go crazy. Limiting guns makes sense. Banning guns does not in some cases.
H. sapiens is a problem. A well-armed H. sapiens is hardly the hero depicted in the fictions, anthems, and lullabies that a society may create for ulterior reasons. You are free to live where you...
people going crazy is a big enough issue for you to worry about, then you (as a nation) have bigger problems than just gun control to worry about.
H. sapiens is a problem. A well-armed H. sapiens is hardly the hero depicted in the fictions, anthems, and lullabies that a society may create for ulterior reasons.
I like shooting guns for the same reason I like racing cars, and just like with guns, racing can be found all over the world.
You are free to live where you choose and to buy and enjoy many things. This is the market economy and a carefully-defined type of "freedom".
I can only invite you to reflect (further) on the fact that these products permeate your society (based on the size of the domestic economy for each) and that humans rationalise their identity. What you internalise as values is very much a result of conditioning.
Consider another example of social conditioning: the business of US football, a brutal concussion sport that is very lucrative for some. The cannon-fodder die miserable deaths.
Yes, some products can be "found" elsewhere, but there are other communities and modern societies with a standard of living equal to or better than your society where these products do not shape public discourse.
It is interesting to consider how a group rationalises the 20th century's death toll from lucrative products such as vehicles, alcohol, and tobacco. Or the rationalisation of a brutal concussion sport such as US football. The rationalisation of shootings in public schools is also staggering.
In summary, we may think of our society as a bazaar that contains a few asylums for the insane. But it looks to be more like an asylum that contains a bazaar.
Rightfully fucking so... they essentially turn semi-automatics into fully automatics with ease, effectively circumventing the requirements for owning an NFA Class III firearm.
To see a semi-auto compared to a bump stock (warning, LOUD):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IOZ-5Nk5k#t=5m22s
Bumps stocks are also what the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooter used on all his fourteen of his semi-auto AR-15s (twelve of which had 100-round magazines), which is what allowed him to do as much damage as he did in such a short amount of time. So I am glad they are now banned but it's not nearly enough IMO. High capacity mags need to go next. I don't imagine Trump's fanbase is going to be happy about this though.
I see it similar to having the sale of bombs illegal: people can still make them at home, but there's no positive result in the easy, widespread sale of them. If bombs could be purchased at Wall-Mart I'm sure there would be more bombings, same goes for bump-stocks and events like Vegas.
I respect your volition to keep using yours, as you seem like a respectful and sane human, but sadly not everyone shares the same grasp on reality.
Bombs aren't exactly difficult to make either and can be cobbled together with stuff from a hardware/plumbing store and some black powder, and bump stocks may be no different in the age of 3d printing, but that fact doesn't undermine the benefits of making them illegal. You can never truly prevent people from making something if they're determined enough, but you can make it harder for them to, make it impossible for them to acquire legally and also put in place the framework to make such an action punishable by law.
That's fair enough. But you do make a reasonable argument for why they should perhaps be reclassified as Class III, similar to silencers, rather than outright banning them.
If bump stocks are illegal, downloading a 3D model for one + buying a printer for it will raise as many red flags as buying explosive supplies at Home Depot. Even though the latter may take more labor, it's far cheaper to do, which should factor into its ease of use. Not every bomb needs to be a wired clock circuit with C4, there are way simpler ways to go about it.
As for existing owners of them, some grandfathering clause may be a decent enough solution. Or maybe just keeping them contained within shooting ranges (to keep/use only in registered locations) like some countries do will all firearms.
All the reasons you just gave can be said line-for-line about explosive devices, too. Point is there will always be a way to access them when we don't live in a 1984-like military surveillance state, instead its a matter of how easily accessible they are.
Rudimentary bomb building is tremendously cheaper than buying a 3D printer and filament supplies. That's what I mean by easier. Slightly more labor may go into it, but overall the upfront cost can be far lower.
Regulations you mention still make it less easy to access one, just like demolition teams get regulated access to explosives. Which is exactly what I'm saying. So we're in agreement there.
I usually won't comment on posts by people who love their guns. I don't love guns -- you and I will never agree.
But this phrase, "overclocked monkey", made me laugh. Did you coin it or borrow it?
I know it is difficult to imagine a future USA. Intelligent people two centuries ago could not imagine the poor receiving an education. Such people one century ago could not imagine black USians being free. It was hard to imagine half a century ago that women would win the fight for pay equity and homosexuals would win the right to same-sex marriage. Given enough time, given enough social culture, Bad Ideas fall.
Some things are bad for society. Some things don't scale. Some personal kicks are destructive. You like guns because of where you live. There are socio-economic influences, and capitalism amplifies them for profit. If you had been born elsewhere, you would very likely have a different
set of kicks. The great cultures of the world don't have citizenry awash in an easy means of slaughter.
Let's be frank in the manner of Wittgenstein... I know absolutely nothing about you beyond what you have posted. I am not especially gifted with insight, and I have not delved further into your profile. (o:
I presume that you're right when you says that guns can be found in every country. But the US has a significant domestic gun business (protected by the Constitution), as well as being the largest weapons dealing nation in the world. Militarism infuses the social discourse. We are all very much products of social conditioning. Had you been raised elsewhere in your own or another country, you might have a very different notion of self.
People may not be crazy now, but they may go crazy. Limiting guns makes sense. Banning guns does not in some cases.
H. sapiens is a problem. A well-armed H. sapiens is hardly the hero depicted in the fictions, anthems, and lullabies that a society may create for ulterior reasons.
You are free to live where you choose and to buy and enjoy many things. This is the market economy and a carefully-defined type of "freedom".
I can only invite you to reflect (further) on the fact that these products permeate your society (based on the size of the domestic economy for each) and that humans rationalise their identity. What you internalise as values is very much a result of conditioning.
Consider another example of social conditioning: the business of US football, a brutal concussion sport that is very lucrative for some. The cannon-fodder die miserable deaths.
Yes, some products can be "found" elsewhere, but there are other communities and modern societies with a standard of living equal to or better than your society where these products do not shape public discourse.
It is interesting to consider how a group rationalises the 20th century's death toll from lucrative products such as vehicles, alcohol, and tobacco. Or the rationalisation of a brutal concussion sport such as US football. The rationalisation of shootings in public schools is also staggering.
In summary, we may think of our society as a bazaar that contains a few asylums for the insane. But it looks to be more like an asylum that contains a bazaar.
Mental illness is only a weak predictor of violence.
Substance misuse disorder and previous exposure to violence are far better predictors.