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  1. Comment on Felix Ngole wins appeal in victory for Christian freedoms in ~humanities

    DanBC Link Parent
    This is the court telling the FTP Panel that they can't make a decision on probability of future discriminatory working based only on someone saying "homosexuality is a sin". It's not saying that...

    The University wrongly confused the expression of religious views with the notion of discrimination. The mere expression of views on theological grounds (e.g.that‘homosexuality is a sin’) does not necessarily connote that the person expressing such views will discriminate on such grounds. In the present case, there was positive evidence to suggest that the Appellant had never discriminated on such grounds in the past and was not likely to do so in the future (because, as he explained, the Bible prohibited him from discriminating against anybody).

    This is the court telling the FTP Panel that they can't make a decision on probability of future discriminatory working based only on someone saying "homosexuality is a sin". It's not saying that it's okay for registered professionals to say that, or that universities cannot take action against students who say that. That action cannot be immediate expulsion (which would be suitable in cases where discriminatory working had been demonstrated), but it can be education and instruction and warnings, escalating up to expulsion if the behaviour doesn't change.

    The court was clear that his speech wasn't expression of religion. They said that freedom of speech is not unqualified. They agreed that the university should take disciplinary action, but should have tried warnings and education before going to expulsion. The judges rejected the appellant's arguments. This judgment is saying that the university assumed he would not change his wording, and that it was this assumption that is wrong.

    Para 6:

    At no stage,did the University make it clear to the Appellant that it was the manner and language in which he had expressed his views that was the real problem, and in particular that his use of Biblical terms such as ‘wicked’ and ‘abomination’ was liable to be understood by many users of social services as extreme and offensive. Further, at no stage did the University discuss or give the Appellant any guidance as to how he might more appropriately express his religious views in a public forum, or make it clear that his theological views about homosexuality were no bar to his practising as a social worker, provided those views did not affect his work or mean he would or could discriminate.

    Para 146:

    This Court cannot finally determine whether the Appellant would have resisted the possibility of tempering the expression of his views or would have refused to accept guidance which would resolve the problem. This requires new findings of fact. This case should, therefore, be remitted for a new hearing before a differently constituted FTP Committee.

    This last paragraph means that he goes back before the Fitness to Practise committee for a new hearing. That new hearing is to decide whether the way he expresses his views are compatible with professional registration. If he agrees to modify the way he expresses his views he may be allowed to continue to practice but if he doesn't agree to modify his language he will lose his registration.

    2 votes
  2. Comment on UK ISP group names Mozilla 'Internet Villain' for supporting 'DNS-over-HTTPS' in ~tech

    DanBC Link Parent
    What privacy is being compromised, and how?

    What privacy is being compromised, and how?

    1 vote
  3. Comment on UK ISP group names Mozilla 'Internet Villain' for supporting 'DNS-over-HTTPS' in ~tech

    DanBC Link Parent
    CSA images are blocked with industry agreement by using the IWF lists. End users can opt out of that by choosing an ISP that doesn't use the lists. Why would someone want to be able to access...

    CSA images are blocked with industry agreement by using the IWF lists. End users can opt out of that by choosing an ISP that doesn't use the lists. Why would someone want to be able to access images of child sexual abuse?

    Some websites that only provide access to pirate materials are blocked after rights-holders get a court order. The court orders only apply to the "big six" providers. Users can opt out of those blocks by choosing a different provider, or using a VPN.

    Mobile internet providers have optional filtering of adult websites that is on by default. Users can opt out of this by checking a box in their account settings.

  4. Comment on UK ISP group names Mozilla 'Internet Villain' for supporting 'DNS-over-HTTPS' in ~tech

    DanBC Link Parent
    ...and regulatory action happens against shopkeepers who sell alcohol to people under 18, and if there was an industry wide agreement to not ask for ID for online sales we'd see something like an...

    Well, the same requirement also exists for booze but you try telling that to the 14 year olds necking White Lightning in the woods down the road from my house.

    ...and regulatory action happens against shopkeepers who sell alcohol to people under 18, and if there was an industry wide agreement to not ask for ID for online sales we'd see something like an alcohol-wall being introduced.

    The thing about porn is that it is, [snip a paragraph of pure opinion with no evidence to support it]

    IF it were remotely technically possible and IF it were being implemented on the basis of solid evidence

    You can see the inconsistency here, right?

    2 votes
  5. Comment on UK ISP group names Mozilla 'Internet Villain' for supporting 'DNS-over-HTTPS' in ~tech

    DanBC Link Parent
    That's not what parent poster said. But why is it wrong to verify user's ages before they access porn? This requirement already exists in the UK for print material, or dvd and bluray porn. The...

    That's not what parent poster said. But why is it wrong to verify user's ages before they access porn? This requirement already exists in the UK for print material, or dvd and bluray porn. The government has for years tried to get the industry to self-regulate, and they chose not to. The porn wall is the first step in tighter regulation.

    1 vote
  6. Comment on UK ISP group names Mozilla 'Internet Villain' for supporting 'DNS-over-HTTPS' in ~tech

    DanBC Link Parent
    It's partly theatre. The point of the various blocks is not to make access to these things impossible. It's to make it difficult for a person to accidentally stumble upon thousands of images of...

    It's partly theatre.

    The point of the various blocks is not to make access to these things impossible.

    It's to make it difficult for a person to accidentally stumble upon thousands of images of child sexual abuse. With the various measures in place when police find someone who has thousands of images of CSE the suspect can't say "I didn't know what they were, I accidentally downloaded them". The suspect has had to download and install software to access the images and has had to search for them.

    The piracy blocks are trivially easy to defeat and they seem to be purely theatre.

    The "porn wall" will also be easy to defeat. It's aimed at making it harder for young children to stumble across explicit porn.

    6 votes
  7. Comment on UK ISP group names Mozilla 'Internet Villain' for supporting 'DNS-over-HTTPS' in ~tech

    DanBC Link Parent
    I'm a bit confused by your comment. ISPs offer a product to parents. That parental control product is optional. Why should people offering an optional product fuck off?

    I'm a bit confused by your comment. ISPs offer a product to parents. That parental control product is optional. Why should people offering an optional product fuck off?

    1 vote
  8. Comment on Felix Ngole wins appeal in victory for Christian freedoms in ~humanities

    DanBC Link Parent
    The court did not say that. They said his comments were not acceptable, but that the punishment (removing him from the course, preventing him from ever working in a regulated profession, without...

    I've had a nagging feeling that posting “homosexuals will go to Hell” on social media doesn't count as discrimination against LGBT people. It's interesting to see a court say this.

    The court did not say that. They said his comments were not acceptable, but that the punishment (removing him from the course, preventing him from ever working in a regulated profession, without giving him any warnings) was disproportionate.

    103: "It must have been clear that offensive language and the expression of discriminatory views would be unacceptable"

    106: "On the other hand, the legitimate aim of such regulation must extend so far as to seek to ensure that reasonable service users, of all kinds,perceive they will be treated with dignity and without discrimination. Social work service users cannot usually choose their social worker. The use of aggressive or offensive language in condemnation of homosexuality, or homosexual acts, would certainly be capable of undermining confidence and bringing the profession of social work into disrepute. As the Guidance makes clear, the Appellant had an obligation not to allow his views about a person’s lifestyle to prejudice his interactions with service users by creating the impression that he would discriminate against the"

    111: "Crucially, at no stage did those in charge of the disciplinary process make the University make it clear that it was the manner and language in which the Appellant had expressed his views which was the problem or discuss or offer him guidance as to how he might more appropriately and moderately express his views on homosexuality in a public forum and in a way in which it would be clear that he would never discriminate on such grounds or allow his views to interfere with his work as a professional"

    these Christian views are even allowed to be taught in government schools.

    They're not allowed in English schools.

    4 votes
  9. Comment on Felix Ngole wins appeal in victory for Christian freedoms in ~humanities

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    Hold on. The court of appeal were very clear that Ngole was wrong to say what he did in the way that he did, and that the court would have supported some form of disciplinary action, but that...

    Hold on.

    The court of appeal were very clear that Ngole was wrong to say what he did in the way that he did, and that the court would have supported some form of disciplinary action, but that removing Ngole from the educational course without previous warnings was disproportionately harsh.

    The appeal court said the first judge was right to say that Ngole's religious rights were not interfered with. Saying that homosexuality is a sin and quoting the Bible would be covered by freedom of speech, not expression of religion.

    Another part of the judgment is that if Ngole ever says these things to his service users he would be discriminating against them and disciplinary action would be warranted, but until that time we can't use his comments as a prediction of future discriminatory working.

    See also the comments of the comments of the judges about the Christian Legal Centre barrister:

    It will be apparent that we have decided this case on grounds materially different from those argued by Mr Diamond. We did not find Mr Diamond’s submissions grappled with the essential elements of this case,but we nevertheless set his submissions out below for completeness, together with Ms Hannett’s response on behalf of the University.

    This is yet another case where the CLC have provided incoherent legal advice. In this case it didn't cause much harm, but on other cases it caused considerable distress to the people they were representing.

    3 votes
  10. Comment on Impacts of meat consumption on health in ~science

    DanBC Link Parent
    This gives a good idea: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34620617 (I think British corned beef is different to the US corned beef).

    This gives a good idea: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34620617

    Processed meat has been modified to either extend its shelf life or change the taste and the main methods are smoking, curing, or adding salt or preservatives.

    Simply putting beef through a mincer does not mean the resulting mince is "processed" unless it is modified further.

    Processed meat includes bacon, sausages, hot dogs, salami, corned beef, beef jerky and ham as well as canned meat and meat-based sauces.

    Red meat is a darker colour than white meat and includes beef, lamb and pork because of higher levels of proteins that bind to oxygen, haemoglobin and myoglobin in blood and muscle.

    (I think British corned beef is different to the US corned beef).

    3 votes
  11. Comment on Impacts of meat consumption on health in ~science

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    We now know that processed red meat does cause cancer. We are as certain as we can be that this is true. We think red meat is probably carcinogenic. The evidence isn't as strong for red meat as it...

    We now know that processed red meat does cause cancer. We are as certain as we can be that this is true. We think red meat is probably carcinogenic. The evidence isn't as strong for red meat as it is for processed red meat. But some of the things that increase the risks of processed red meat (high temperature, burning) apply to red meat cooked in barbecues.

    But we also know that it doesn't cause very much cancer.

    If someone eats 50g of processed red meat every day their risk increases by 18%. But a small increase on an already small risk means not many extra people will get cancer.

    At the moment in the UK about 6 in 100 people will get colorectal cancer at some point in their life. If we had another group of 100 people who all ate 50g of processed red meat every day we'd expect to see 7 people with colorectal cancer (1 extra person).

    Some people will see this risk and not care. Some people will see this risk, and their family history, and will cut back a bit on processed red meat.

    The WHO research was widely misreported. There were lots of newspapers saying that red meat was now as dangerous as smoking. The WHO have levels of quality of evidence, and the evidence for processed red meat is now in the same level as the evidence for smoking. But clearly smoking causes very many more cases of cancer than processed red meat.

    Gerd Gigerenzer has a bunch of popsci books about communicating risk to the public. Reckoning with Risk and Risk Savvy are interesting.

    17 votes
  12. Comment on Andy Ngo was assaulted with milkshakes that contain quick-drying cement at the Antifa rally he was covering. in ~news

    DanBC Link Parent
    They haven't killed anyone. The neo-nazis routinely murder people, including mass murder.

    They haven't killed anyone. The neo-nazis routinely murder people, including mass murder.

    23 votes
  13. Years and Years is a British political near-future soft SF programme. Being British it's one short series - 6 episodes, 1 hour per episode. Mainstream broadcast SF isn't going to push all the...

    Years and Years is a British political near-future soft SF programme. Being British it's one short series - 6 episodes, 1 hour per episode. Mainstream broadcast SF isn't going to push all the boundaries, but this has some neat ideas. The political stuff feels realistic enough to work.

    Emma Thompson is always impressive and she does excellent work here as a populist, fascist, politician. Jessica Hynes plays Edith with suitable intensity.

    Here are a bunch of links:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8694364/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    [spoilers] https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/years-and-years-1220415

    [spoilers] https://variety.com/2019/tv/reviews/years-and-years-review-emma-thompson-hbo-1203243714/

    [spoilers] https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/may/14/years-and-years-review-a-glorious-near-future-drama-from-russell-t-davies

    16 votes
  14. Comment on I just ran across Planetes and I love it, any similar recommendations? in ~anime

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    Twin Spica might interest you, but it's not really similar to Planetes (which was excellent). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Spica

    Twin Spica might interest you, but it's not really similar to Planetes (which was excellent). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Spica

    2 votes
  15. Comment on The Culture War Has Finally Come For Wikipedia in ~tech

    DanBC Link Parent
    Also, it's we should remember that the foundation have said that they're not going to release details of why Fram was banned. So I either trust the foundation and their unreleased info, or I trust...

    Also, it's we should remember that the foundation have said that they're not going to release details of why Fram was banned. So I either trust the foundation and their unreleased info, or I trust Fram and his version.

    Personally I trust the foundation. I've seen way to many abusive toxic people say "but I don't know what I did or why they're so upset!".

    12 votes
  16. Comment on The Culture War Has Finally Come For Wikipedia in ~tech

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    There's a term for it that I found on Meatball Wiki: Vested contributor. http://www.meatballwiki.org/wiki/VestedContributor This is something that wikipedia really struggles with. They have...

    There's a term for it that I found on Meatball Wiki: Vested contributor.

    http://www.meatballwiki.org/wiki/VestedContributor

    This is something that wikipedia really struggles with. They have someone who makes very many good edits, but who is an arsehole. But many admins do not recognise the arseholery - they're very quick to excuse bad behaviour, they think other editors should just be tougher, they don't think this example of harassment is actually harassing. And so the arsehole keeps editing, and keeps driving away new users.

    “I'm not a model admin or editor,” he wrote, “But I believe I was steadily improving. But that's not for [English-language Wikipedia] to decide apparently.” The real reason behind his ban, he said, was his history of sparring with the foundation over the technical details of software updates to the platform.

    He's saying "yes, I'm toxic, but that's not the reason they banned me. It's this other stuff" -- and wikipedia editors agree with him. This is to me key evidence that the site is toxic.

    In my view, many people should be given many small permissions quickly, centered around trust.

    I'll repeat what I said before: I'd be a terrible moderator, and I would reject mod powers if they were offered to me.

    8 votes
  17. I really enjoyed Peele's new Twilight Zone. It's a bit hit and miss - but most anthology shows have this. Some episodes are great, most are good enough, a couple are forgettable. The critic...

    I really enjoyed Peele's new Twilight Zone. It's a bit hit and miss - but most anthology shows have this. Some episodes are great, most are good enough, a couple are forgettable.

    The critic reviews (based on the first four episodes) are all over the place, with scoring ranging from 100 to 10. The user reviews are the usual tyre-fire of awfulness. https://www.metacritic.com/tv/the-twilight-zone-2019

    I found Replay to be genuinely upsetting and it was the episode that stayed with me longest. I get the impression that this episode split the audience and a bunch of people dislike the social commentary. (Or something, I dunno, I can't understand the mindset that criticises a show for something like this).

    So I'm interested in your opinions. Have you watched it? Did you enjoy it?

    5 votes
  18. Comment on YouTube under federal investigation over allegations it violates children’s privacy in ~tech

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    One of the problems is that children under 13 want to get the "benefit" of likes and subscribes, but they can't open an account. So they use their parent's account, or they lie about their age....

    One of the problems is that children under 13 want to get the "benefit" of likes and subscribes, but they can't open an account. So they use their parent's account, or they lie about their age.

    This means the demographic data for the viewer is bollocks - maybe it's the adult, or maybe it's the kid - and so you can find gambling ads pushed to young people.

    1 vote
  19. Comment on The medical ethics of fertility clinics refusing to treat prospective mothers they consider too large in ~health

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    This article is so weird. i) If you have a BMI of 50+ you're not going to lose weight by diet and exercise. You need a gastric bypass (not gastric banding). I'd agree that this surgery is too...

    This article is so weird.

    i) If you have a BMI of 50+ you're not going to lose weight by diet and exercise. You need a gastric bypass (not gastric banding). I'd agree that this surgery is too difficult to access, and that the moralising around weight doesn't help people lose weight.

    ii) An obese mother poses a significant risk of a macrosomal child. People always talk about needing to "eat for two" when a woman is pregnant, but that's nonsense. A woman needs only about 200 extra calories a day. Being overweight is more risky than being underweight. A macrosomal baby has significant risks to itself but also to the mother.

    iii) HAES is bullshit. It's bullshit because people use it to deny the increased risks that obesity and morbid obesity and super obesity bring. They'll complain about musculo-skeletal pain, but refuse to lose weight or exercise. The best treatment we have for musculo-skeletal pain that we have, no matter what size you are, is exercise.

    iv) We know weight does have a significant impact on fertility, but it also has wide ranging impacts on other aspects of health. It's important to rule out this factor (and also greatly improve the health of the patient) before trying other methods that carry risks.

    4 votes
  20. Comment on Tabletop RPGs with kids in ~games

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    If you want to get started with dice rolling you could look at Button Men: Beat People Up which is a very simple fighting game. https://beatpeopleup.cheapass.com/ You can easily re-skin it with...

    If you want to get started with dice rolling you could look at Button Men: Beat People Up which is a very simple fighting game. https://beatpeopleup.cheapass.com/

    You can easily re-skin it with other themes - pokemon battles for example.

    1 vote