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Venezuela opposition leader swears himself in as interim president

19 comments

  1. [3]
    enso
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    Trump recognizes Juan Guaido, head of Venezuela's opposition, as the country's interim president, encourages other western hemisphere governments to do the same OAS chief recognizes him too Canada...

    Trump recognizes Juan Guaido, head of Venezuela's opposition, as the country's interim president, encourages other western hemisphere governments to do the same

    OAS chief recognizes him too

    Canada will recognize Juan Guaido as the new president of Venezuela.

    Argentina to recognize Guaido as president

    Secretary of State of Puerto Rico congratulates Guaido and gives him his support

    Lima Group ( Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Guyana, Saint Lucia and Peru) to recognize Guaido as president in join statement

    Reports that Maduro is going to issue an arrest warrant against Guaido

    President of Paraguay gives his support to Guaido as president

    Brazil recognizes Guaido as interim president of Venezuela

    Several injured by bullets after Maduro supporters attack a protest.

    Conflicting reports that Guaido has entered the Colombian embassy for protection. Some says that he did, but his party has denied it.

    Brasil, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador and Costa Rica announced that they recognize Guaido as president

    Chilean President Piñera will also recognize Guaido as Venezuelan president

    Mexico continues to recognize Nicolas Maduro as the President of #Venezuela -Presidential spokesman

    Maduro says Venezuela is breaking relations with US, gives American diplomats 72 hours to leave country

    Guatemala recognizes opposition leader @jguaido as interim president of #Venezuela -Foreign ministry

    President of Bolivia affirms solidarity with Nicolas Maduro

    Guaidó issues an statement to all embassies in the country to not leave their posts, in rebuke to Maduro's order to the US embassy

    Maduro says he received a call of support from Turkey's president Erdogan. Thanks to u/konrad-iturbe

    Russia has officially announced that it recognizes Maduro as president.

    At least 5 dead after protests against Maduro. Here and Here.

    Brazil's Vice President Mourao says Brazil will not intervene in #Venezuela

    EU council president Donald Tusk: "I hope that all of Europe will unite in support of democratic forces in Venezuela. Unlike Maduro, the parliamentary assembly, including Juan Guaido have a democratic mandate from Venezuelan citizens.". Thanks to u/konrad-iturbe

    Venezuela's Minister of Defense (loyal to Maduro) says that the armed forces do not recognize Juan Guaidó..

    Spain says that it will not recognize Guaidó right now because it will wait for a EU agreement

    Here is a great map showing the stance of all the countries so far. Made by u/goingtolivelong

    11 countries (Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Paraguay and Perú) of the Lima Group officially recognize Juan Guaidó as Interim President of Venezuela and give it's support to initiate a democratic transition in the country with the goal to set new elections as soon as possible.

    The Republic of Kosovo officially recognizes Juan Guaidó as the Interim President of Venezuela, becoming the first European country to do so.

    Denmark issues support to Juan Guaido.- Thanks to u/Esies.

    Uruguay still recognizes Maduro as president, according to sources from Sputnik News. Thanks to u/Lobo_Marino.

    The European Union issued an statement fully supporting the National Assembly and it's President Juan Guaido and it strongly calls for the start of an immediate political process leading to free and credible elections, in conformity with the Constitutional order. It doesn't mention anything about Guaido as new Interim President.

    Maduro has been unverified on Instagram.

    Almost updated map, Uruguay supports Maduro. Made by @TomaszRolbiecki

    Cuba backs Maduro

    Here is the video of Juan Guaidó's swearing in as Interim President

    U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo: "U.S. will conduct diplomatic relations with #Venezuela through the government of interim President Guaido. U.S. does not recognize the #Maduro regime. U.S. does not consider former president Maduro to have the legal authority to break diplomatic relations."

    Credit to /u/New_Diet on reddit

    14 votes
    1. [2]
      smoontjes
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      Ah yes, the important stuff.

      Maduro has been unverified on Instagram.

      Ah yes, the important stuff.

      7 votes
      1. klc
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        I think it does matter. Facebook, the owners of Instagram, is where a lot of people get their news from and for a lot of people it is their only news source. Facebook has apparently made an...

        I think it does matter. Facebook, the owners of Instagram, is where a lot of people get their news from and for a lot of people it is their only news source. Facebook has apparently made an editorial decision that Maduro is no longer the president. Who at Facebook makes these decisions? As far as I know they don’t have editors. Newspapers like The New York Times and Washington Post still call him President Maduro.

        10 votes
  2. [7]
    guild525
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    Reading more on Venezuela, what Chavez and Maduro did was pure idiocy. On the other hand, I'm not looking forward to the results of regime change by the United States given the history of it. Also...

    Reading more on Venezuela, what Chavez and Maduro did was pure idiocy. On the other hand, I'm not looking forward to the results of regime change by the United States given the history of it.

    Also it's a little weird that instagram and twitter are unverifying Maduro....

    9 votes
    1. [6]
      Flargus
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      Chavez promised to diversify the economy and do more to prevent price fixing by venezuelan capitalists (who still own the vast majority of the economy), but ultimately was unable to for a variety...

      Chavez promised to diversify the economy and do more to prevent price fixing by venezuelan capitalists (who still own the vast majority of the economy), but ultimately was unable to for a variety of reasons - some to do with the fact that much of that money was directed towards things like housing developments for the poor, some to do with generic bureaucratic corruption, and some to do with the US & allies like KSA manipulating the price of oil to destabilize the region.

      At the end of the day though, "Bad Economic Decisions" happen in every single country. This isnt something unique to Venezuelan Socialism, it's not something unique to the US's Official Enemies, and it's not something that will be fixed by putting in yet another pro-business neoliberal stooge who will follow the whims of the IMF and sell off everything still state-owned to the lowest bidder.

      But none of that's even near the center of the discussion. It's all caricatures of evil dictators stuffing their faces while every single citizen is unhappy and in the streets throwing molotovs. No US media stooge talks about the Caracazo or any of the enormous protests which rocked Caracas before anyone had even heard of Chavez, nobody talks about the staggering inequality that has been the case for decades in Venezuela. Anything that happened before Chavez is assumed to be Perfect and Fine, he just decided to mess things up just for the sake of it.

      US State Ideology is incapable of dealing with trajectories and history. Everything that happens in the world happens in a vacuum, and purely because of the personalities of the actors involved.

      19 votes
      1. [5]
        Devin
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        Feet of clay. Instead of investing in Venezuela's amazing and sustainable agricultural industry, Chavez took the unfortunate and classic route of oil. Without the education and management...

        Feet of clay. Instead of investing in Venezuela's amazing and sustainable agricultural industry, Chavez took the unfortunate and classic route of oil. Without the education and management infrastructure to maintain it. It was another example of the resource curse. And he only had to look at his neighbor peru and the guano crash they sustained in the early 1900's

        http://americanhistory.si.edu/norie-atlas/guano-trade

        Like soviet russia. Socialism was put on a backburner and communism was invented to skip several steps, essentially the whole industrial capatilism part, and when that failed, it was a police state all over again.

        The only way you get a proper socialist state is through a modern capatilist economy, then you can begin thinking about socialism. But you need the roots of a modern educated industrial society.

        At least that is how I read marx. Which is just economy theory from the 1800's. While living pretty rough in london of all places.

        7 votes
        1. [4]
          no_exit
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          Marx actually doesn't claim this to be a universal truth, see here.

          At least that is how I read marx.

          Marx actually doesn't claim this to be a universal truth, see here.

          1 vote
          1. [3]
            Devin
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            Marx like Darwin had no illusion that he was working on a definitive absolute truth. It was an economic theory that future generations would have to refine or abandon.

            Marx like Darwin had no illusion that he was working on a definitive absolute truth. It was an economic theory that future generations would have to refine or abandon.

            1 vote
            1. [2]
              no_exit
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              Not sure why you're claiming the 'only way' to socialism is through capitalism then.

              Not sure why you're claiming the 'only way' to socialism is through capitalism then.

              1. Devin
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                Socialisms tenets are based on a mobile class that is also middle class. Educated, healthy and robust.

                Socialisms tenets are based on a mobile class that is also middle class. Educated, healthy and robust.

  3. [3]
    mrbig
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    What’s the logistic here? Some dude says “I’m the president now”, a bunch of people says “We believe you” and now he’s magically in power? Isn’t Maduro still commander in chief? Will the new...

    What’s the logistic here? Some dude says “I’m the president now”, a bunch of people says “We believe you” and now he’s magically in power? Isn’t Maduro still commander in chief? Will the new president fight the military and kill Maduro? What about, you know, the country’s constitution? Are presidents all over the world just saying yes to an illegal coup?

    5 votes
    1. [2]
      pleure
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      It's not clear how the opposition is going to take power because the military is still on Maduro's side and they don't command enough popular support for an actual revolution to occur. I suppose...

      It's not clear how the opposition is going to take power because the military is still on Maduro's side and they don't command enough popular support for an actual revolution to occur. I suppose you could imagine they're vying on US intervention, but from what I understand that's overwhelmingly opposed even by people who oppose Maduro (which, importantly, is not the same as supporting the opposition).

      4 votes
      1. mrbig
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        I think Russia is correct in saying there will be bloodshed.

        I think Russia is correct in saying there will be bloodshed.

        1 vote
  4. [4]
    firstname
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    Is there anyone who feels like making a TL;DR on this specific subject? Not overall since there are so many parameters. Seems to be so much information so it might be to much to ask for. A...

    Is there anyone who feels like making a TL;DR on this specific subject? Not overall since there are so many parameters. Seems to be so much information so it might be to much to ask for.

    A Venezuela tl;dr would be nice though, i am behind.

    2 votes
    1. [3]
      enso
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      I don't have the time to type a full TLDR out (and honestly would feel wrong doing it as I don't feel as though I have a 100% complete grasp on everything). Here is a video made by someone in...

      I don't have the time to type a full TLDR out (and honestly would feel wrong doing it as I don't feel as though I have a 100% complete grasp on everything). Here is a video made by someone in Venezuela in response to a John Oliver segment about it.

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        harrygibus
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        Your link is a perfect example of why we shouldn't hand over control of content (ie free speech) to corporations. Luckily I saw this video before they removed censored it. Unfortunate for everyone...

        Your link is a perfect example of why we shouldn't hand over control of content (ie free speech) to corporations. Luckily I saw this video before they removed censored it. Unfortunate for everyone else.
        One man's propaganda is another's truth - without being able to view both it's impossible to make your own determination

        edit: not sure if it is the full version of what you linked, but I found this
        edit2: apologies, the first video you linked was only given a warning label, not removed - I missed the click-though button.

        1. enso
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          As much as I agree, I think the reason it's age restricted is that there's footage of someone being burned to death about halfway though.

          As much as I agree, I think the reason it's age restricted is that there's footage of someone being burned to death about halfway though.

  5. [2]
    heady
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    The die has been cast

    The die has been cast

    2 votes