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Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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    suspended Link
    So, what does this mean moving forward?

    So, what does this mean moving forward?

    4 votes
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      Algernon_Asimov Link Parent
      In the short-term, it means a couple more votes in the UK Parliament: However, even if the UK Parliament votes to delay Brexit, I don't see how they can. That would require the agreement of the...

      In the short-term, it means a couple more votes in the UK Parliament:

      Mrs May said MPs will now get a vote on whether the UK should leave the EU without a deal and, if that fails, on whether Brexit should be delayed.

      However, even if the UK Parliament votes to delay Brexit, I don't see how they can. That would require the agreement of the European Union - and they don't seem to be very interested in helping the UK get out of a mess it created for itself. The EU President has already made it clear they won't renegotiate the deal that the UK Parliament rejected: "take it or leave it" has been Mr Tusk's message. They're therefore not likely to approve a delay, because there's no point. Nothing's going to change. The EU has provided its terms for a British exit, after negotiation with the British government, and it's now up to the UK to accept those terms. If the UK won't accept the terms that the EU negotiated in good faith, then I get the impression that the EU is happy to let the UK face the consequences of its indecisiveness.

      I believe there's a very strong possibility that the UK will leave the EU on 29th March without a deal.

      6 votes
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        Greg Link Parent
        The one potential reason I can see for the EU agreeing to an extension is that it gives more opportunity for the UK to just call the whole thing off. I think the EU absolutely is willing to let...

        The one potential reason I can see for the EU agreeing to an extension is that it gives more opportunity for the UK to just call the whole thing off. I think the EU absolutely is willing to let the UK face the consequences if it really comes to that, and there's no doubt the UK will be by far the worse off in that situation, but the ripples (both political and economic) would hurt the EU too, at least somewhat.

        Keeping the UK entirely, on the other hand, would be a win far over and above the negotiated deal. The population is already almost certainly in favour of remaining at this point (demographic shift alone would flip the original referendum result, even without the ongoing shitshow we've seen). The EU certainly doesn't owe the UK a damn thing right now, but they have little to lose and a lot to gain by standing firm and giving the UK a chance to come to its senses.

        8 votes
        1. Algernon_Asimov Link Parent
          That's a good point. While the EU might not want to renegotiate the terms for a British exit, they would probably allow the UK to change its mind and stay. But I think the EU would want to see...

          That's a good point. While the EU might not want to renegotiate the terms for a British exit, they would probably allow the UK to change its mind and stay. But I think the EU would want to see signs of good faith on the UK's side: that the UK is seriously moving towards revoking its decision to exit the EU, rather than just asking for a delay in order to put off hard decisions.

          4 votes
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      DyslexicStoner240 Link Parent
      If i may i'd point you to this 6 minutes video that explains the whole crux of the no deal situation. Don't be put off by the seemingly clickbait title. It won't tell you what's going to happen in...

      If i may i'd point you to this 6 minutes video that explains the whole crux of the no deal situation. Don't be put off by the seemingly clickbait title. It won't tell you what's going to happen in the future but it will sure as hell explain exactly why there has yet to be an agreement on a deal.

      4 votes
      1. hungariantoast Link Parent
        CGP Grey's sister video to the one you posted, 🇬🇧🔥 Brexit, Briefly: REVISITED! 🔥🇪🇺 is also worth a watch. Just for the sake of completeness, Grey's original video on Brexit, Brexit, Briefly,...

        CGP Grey's sister video to the one you posted, 🇬🇧🔥 Brexit, Briefly: REVISITED! 🔥🇪🇺 is also worth a watch.

        Just for the sake of completeness, Grey's original video on Brexit, Brexit, Briefly, should also be watched.

        And yeah, don't be put off by the title.

        5 votes
    3. CALICO Link Parent
      Such a figure would not only be a disaster for Britain, but that will be felt across the global economy as well.

      Official figures say the UK economy could be up to 3.9% smaller after 15 years under Theresa May's Brexit plan, compared with staying in the EU.

      But a no-deal Brexit could deliver a 9.3% hit, the new estimates say.

      Such a figure would not only be a disaster for Britain, but that will be felt across the global economy as well.

      4 votes
    4. alyaza Link Parent
      brexit will continue to be a massive shitshow where the most likely end outcome is a no deal since that's the default and the house of commons has no incentive to all band together and avert it in...

      brexit will continue to be a massive shitshow where the most likely end outcome is a no deal since that's the default and the house of commons has no incentive to all band together and avert it in favor of any one specific outcome until the literal last possible moment (which for the record, is in less than three weeks)

  2. Sahasrahla Link
    For context as an outsider I found this article (soft paywall) on the "backstop" useful to help understand some of the points of contention.

    For context as an outsider I found this article (soft paywall) on the "backstop" useful to help understand some of the points of contention.

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