i do like that this is just... a thing that was genuinely being considered and apparently nobody took strong enough exception with it to just like, publicly announce it to the media or resign or...
i do like that this is just... a thing that was genuinely being considered and apparently nobody took strong enough exception with it to just like, publicly announce it to the media or resign or do really anything except quietly shoot it down in house when it literally treats these people as if they're nothing more than bodies of crime and rape and drugs. like, these are real people, and i presume they all have real reasons for wanting to be here. they're not all MS13 gang members trying to tactically smuggle enough fentanyl to kill 475784937 billion people across the border or whatever bullshit people like to talk about that threatens the country. i mean shit, half of them are probably from central american countries we've been destabilizing since before they were actual fucking countries.
not holding my hopes out for that, because it'd be a remarkably principled stance from someone who has shown literally no overtures of being principled on the issue.
not holding my hopes out for that, because it'd be a remarkably principled stance from someone who has shown literally no overtures of being principled on the issue.
The idea of pressing immigration authorities to embrace the plan was discussed in November and then again in February as the Trump administration struggled with a surge of migrants at the border,...
WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House considered a plan to release detained immigrants into "sanctuary cities," three people familiar with the idea confirmed Friday — a plan that critics branded as an effort to use migrants as pawns to go after political opponents.
The idea of pressing immigration authorities to embrace the plan was discussed in November and then again in February as the Trump administration struggled with a surge of migrants at the border, according to the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity to outline private conversations. Department of Homeland Security lawyers quickly rejected the proposal, according to the people, and it was dropped.
Okay, I'll play the Devil's Advocate for just a moment. In some ways, the basic idea makes sense. We could let asylum seekers into our country such that they would be placed in communities that...
Okay, I'll play the Devil's Advocate for just a moment. In some ways, the basic idea makes sense. We could let asylum seekers into our country such that they would be placed in communities that are more likely to be supportive of their status. Under appropriate controls, there's a chance that could work out for everyone involved. This country was built on migrants, after all.
However...
Using real people as political ammunition is reprehensible. There are no altruistic intentions here; the sole reason for doing this would to try pissing people off enough for them vote the GOP line. It's horribly ignorant to assume that this would inherently damage the opposition.
Someone mentioned a great point that I hadn't considered: housing shortages. Urban areas have much higher concentrations of Democrats, no secrets there. Some cities might be able to handle that, but I would be in no way surprised if their plan was to target cities where housing shortages were existing issues in an attempt to exacerbate the situation. There are so many practical reasons why this idea would never happen; would they really bad the money to ship hundreds of thousands of people thousands of miles to California? Could this not just as easily backfire?
It still baffles me that people became convinced that immigration is such a large issue all of a sudden. What has happened in the last 5 years to where this would be such a big deal? I recall a 538(?) poll showing 17% of people believed immigration to be the most important issue following the '16 election cycle. I wouldn't say we had immigration pretty well figured out at that point, but this should be way lower on the list. I guess I should be happy though, Trump's half-baked ideas and incompetence has prevented him from doing much of the tangible damage he could have done were he a mildly intelligent person.
Yes. That is exactly what they believe. This is one of the few sincerely held beliefs within the modern GOP. Centrists have feebly tried to brush it under the rug and put a lid on it for a while,...
Do they actually believe their own rhetoric that all migrants are raping murdering drug-dealing disease-ridden terrorists?
Yes. That is exactly what they believe. This is one of the few sincerely held beliefs within the modern GOP. Centrists have feebly tried to brush it under the rug and put a lid on it for a while, but since 2016 the mask has come off.
That said, dumping a few hundred thousand people into cities that already have housing shortages is going to cause some crises with homelessness and other issues. Migrants are, over the long run, good for society and the local culture and economy. But absorbing a crapload of people all at once is a big logistical challenge for any city.
If I was mayor of a mid-sized rust-belt town with shuttering businesses and a lot of abandoned property though, I would roll out the red carpet for them. Why not, if you've got all these empty houses anyway?
Not only that, but I would imagine that Trump and supporters also believe that the upperclass democrats in these areas are also racist. Trump would brag about the relocation regardless of its...
Not only that, but I would imagine that Trump and supporters also believe that the upperclass democrats in these areas are also racist.
Trump would brag about the relocation regardless of its results, using the removal of migrants as a goal in of itself.
It’s definitely not wrong. My wife actually just quit her job this past week and one of the reasons was because of the racist owner. The black and Latino workers were offered less than their white...
It’s definitely not wrong. My wife actually just quit her job this past week and one of the reasons was because of the racist owner. The black and Latino workers were offered less than their white counterparts and the hiring criteria for PoC was unofficially a much higher bar
I don’t think anyone meant it as an entire demographic, just that there are upper class democrats that are racist. Granted most are not running around using slurs or showing outward hate, but...
I don’t think anyone meant it as an entire demographic, just that there are upper class democrats that are racist. Granted most are not running around using slurs or showing outward hate, but there definitely is tons of subtle racism.
i do like that this is just... a thing that was genuinely being considered and apparently nobody took strong enough exception with it to just like, publicly announce it to the media or resign or do really anything except quietly shoot it down in house when it literally treats these people as if they're nothing more than bodies of crime and rape and drugs. like, these are real people, and i presume they all have real reasons for wanting to be here. they're not all MS13 gang members trying to tactically smuggle enough fentanyl to kill 475784937 billion people across the border or whatever bullshit people like to talk about that threatens the country. i mean shit, half of them are probably from central american countries we've been destabilizing since before they were actual fucking countries.
My own theory is that the head of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen resigned 4 days ago because of this issue.
not holding my hopes out for that, because it'd be a remarkably principled stance from someone who has shown literally no overtures of being principled on the issue.
Could just be survival. Breaking the law is bad, even when the president is dangling pardons in front of you.
The idea of pressing immigration authorities to embrace the plan was discussed in November and then again in February as the Trump administration struggled with a surge of migrants at the border, according to the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity to outline private conversations. Department of Homeland Security lawyers quickly rejected the proposal, according to the people, and it was dropped.
Okay, I'll play the Devil's Advocate for just a moment. In some ways, the basic idea makes sense. We could let asylum seekers into our country such that they would be placed in communities that are more likely to be supportive of their status. Under appropriate controls, there's a chance that could work out for everyone involved. This country was built on migrants, after all.
However...
Using real people as political ammunition is reprehensible. There are no altruistic intentions here; the sole reason for doing this would to try pissing people off enough for them vote the GOP line. It's horribly ignorant to assume that this would inherently damage the opposition.
Someone mentioned a great point that I hadn't considered: housing shortages. Urban areas have much higher concentrations of Democrats, no secrets there. Some cities might be able to handle that, but I would be in no way surprised if their plan was to target cities where housing shortages were existing issues in an attempt to exacerbate the situation. There are so many practical reasons why this idea would never happen; would they really bad the money to ship hundreds of thousands of people thousands of miles to California? Could this not just as easily backfire?
It still baffles me that people became convinced that immigration is such a large issue all of a sudden. What has happened in the last 5 years to where this would be such a big deal? I recall a 538(?) poll showing 17% of people believed immigration to be the most important issue following the '16 election cycle. I wouldn't say we had immigration pretty well figured out at that point, but this should be way lower on the list. I guess I should be happy though, Trump's half-baked ideas and incompetence has prevented him from doing much of the tangible damage he could have done were he a mildly intelligent person.
C'mon 2020!
Yes. That is exactly what they believe. This is one of the few sincerely held beliefs within the modern GOP. Centrists have feebly tried to brush it under the rug and put a lid on it for a while, but since 2016 the mask has come off.
That said, dumping a few hundred thousand people into cities that already have housing shortages is going to cause some crises with homelessness and other issues. Migrants are, over the long run, good for society and the local culture and economy. But absorbing a crapload of people all at once is a big logistical challenge for any city.
If I was mayor of a mid-sized rust-belt town with shuttering businesses and a lot of abandoned property though, I would roll out the red carpet for them. Why not, if you've got all these empty houses anyway?
Not only that, but I would imagine that Trump and supporters also believe that the upperclass democrats in these areas are also racist.
Trump would brag about the relocation regardless of its results, using the removal of migrants as a goal in of itself.
To be fair, he's probably not wrong.
It’s definitely not wrong. My wife actually just quit her job this past week and one of the reasons was because of the racist owner. The black and Latino workers were offered less than their white counterparts and the hiring criteria for PoC was unofficially a much higher bar
It hardly seems supportable to argue that a statement about an entire demographic is "definitely not wrong" because of a personal anecdote.
I don’t think anyone meant it as an entire demographic, just that there are upper class democrats that are racist. Granted most are not running around using slurs or showing outward hate, but there definitely is tons of subtle racism.