Ah, didn't catch that in the video. How are the cops supposed to know that? It only takes a fraction of a second for him to point it at them and pull the trigger. That's the same reason you don't...
Well he committed a crime, so he should have gone to jail. But regardless, at least he would still be alive if he were to have complied right away. You can always deal with the bullshit later if...
Maybe he was contemplating the decision, since if he did it he would for sure go to jail
Well he committed a crime, so he should have gone to jail. But regardless, at least he would still be alive if he were to have complied right away. You can always deal with the bullshit later if you are falsely charged with something.
And you now seem to be diverting from your original comment. You started out by saying that defending this is impossible, which it's not.
Again, how are the cops supposed to know he was putting it down after hesitating for so long instead of grabbing it to point at them? The time it takes for either of those to happen is a fraction...
Again, how are the cops supposed to know he was putting it down after hesitating for so long instead of grabbing it to point at them? The time it takes for either of those to happen is a fraction of a second. It's an impossible situation the cops are put in.
The best way to solve this issue is to put yourself in the cops shoes, and comply with everything they say without hesitation.
I agree that he should have dropped it quicker, but he was complying with their orders, and I don't think hesitation (if he even is hesitating rather than moving slowing and deliberately, the...
I agree that he should have dropped it quicker, but he was complying with their orders, and I don't think hesitation (if he even is hesitating rather than moving slowing and deliberately, the video is unclear) warrants execution. What's the point of issuing orders if you're going to shoot them when they are complying? What's the point of even complying in the first place?
I understand this is a stressful situation for the cops, but its a stressful situation for the suspect-turned-victim too. Ultimately this is the cops fault - they gave him an order that, through his compliance, made them think they were in danger. If he hadn't dropped the gun, would they have been justified in shooting him for not obeying? Was there any way out of this were the man did not get shot?
Incorrect Ultimately, this is the suspects fault. He brought the gun out first, he waved it at innocents, and in the process, made himself to be a threat both to the civilians and the officers.
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Ultimately, this is the suspects fault. He brought the gun out first, he waved it at innocents, and in the process, made himself to be a threat both to the civilians and the officers.
So the punishment for waving a gun at innocent people is death? Why even bother with the facade of trying to arrest him then? The cops might as well just show up and shoot him immediately.
So the punishment for waving a gun at innocent people is death?
Why even bother with the facade of trying to arrest him then? The cops might as well just show up and shoot him immediately.
No, the risk for waving a gun at innocent people is death. I'm sorry, I'm pretty anti-police-leaning, especially anti-US-police, but if you wave a gun at innocent people, you're risking death,...
So the punishment for waving a gun at innocent people is death?
No, the risk for waving a gun at innocent people is death.
I'm sorry, I'm pretty anti-police-leaning, especially anti-US-police, but if you wave a gun at innocent people, you're risking death, period.
It's not the ideal outcome, and the actual punishment should certainly not be death (nor is it), but … yeah. The US is getting what it pays for in terms of gun control here.
I’m not passing judgment on the officers actions. I come from a LEO family so my bias makes it incredibly difficult to see things objectively. I’m merely pointing out to the person that I...
I’m not passing judgment on the officers actions. I come from a LEO family so my bias makes it incredibly difficult to see things objectively.
I’m merely pointing out to the person that I responded to that the officers were not “ultimately responsible” for what happened. The ultimate responsibility falls to the man who waved a gun at innocent people in the first place
So long as the gun was in his possession, he was a threat. It takes a split second for a seemingly peaceful surrender to go south. However, as I told another Tildo, I’m not passing judgement on...
So long as the gun was in his possession, he was a threat. It takes a split second for a seemingly peaceful surrender to go south. However, as I told another Tildo, I’m not passing judgement on the officers actions. My bias makes things like this incredibly difficult to view and analyze objectively.
According to some of the articles I read, there were at least two different 911 calls placed, from a Burger King in the middle of the day with multiple employees, customers, and cameras. If the 911 dispatchers were doing their jobs, they would’ve had a pretty solid physical description of the suspect. And given that the outrage is over the suspect apparently complying and still being shot and NOT over whether or not he was the right person to begin with, I’d say the responding officers were pretty certain they had the right person
How is it impossible to defend? The guy did have a gun. You can see the cop pick it up at the end.
Ah, didn't catch that in the video.
How are the cops supposed to know that? It only takes a fraction of a second for him to point it at them and pull the trigger. That's the same reason you don't pull out a tazer when someone has a gun too. Here's an excellent video showing just how tough these decisions are.
He wasn't doing what they asked. They asked him to drop it, but he didn't.
Well he committed a crime, so he should have gone to jail. But regardless, at least he would still be alive if he were to have complied right away. You can always deal with the bullshit later if you are falsely charged with something.
And you now seem to be diverting from your original comment. You started out by saying that defending this is impossible, which it's not.
Here's the bodycam video, slowed down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KavcyH_8bS0
He's putting the gun down, as they told him to, when he's shot.
Again, how are the cops supposed to know he was putting it down after hesitating for so long instead of grabbing it to point at them? The time it takes for either of those to happen is a fraction of a second. It's an impossible situation the cops are put in.
The best way to solve this issue is to put yourself in the cops shoes, and comply with everything they say without hesitation.
I agree that he should have dropped it quicker, but he was complying with their orders, and I don't think hesitation (if he even is hesitating rather than moving slowing and deliberately, the video is unclear) warrants execution. What's the point of issuing orders if you're going to shoot them when they are complying? What's the point of even complying in the first place?
I understand this is a stressful situation for the cops, but its a stressful situation for the suspect-turned-victim too. Ultimately this is the cops fault - they gave him an order that, through his compliance, made them think they were in danger. If he hadn't dropped the gun, would they have been justified in shooting him for not obeying? Was there any way out of this were the man did not get shot?
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Ultimately, this is the suspects fault. He brought the gun out first, he waved it at innocents, and in the process, made himself to be a threat both to the civilians and the officers.
So the punishment for waving a gun at innocent people is death?
Why even bother with the facade of trying to arrest him then? The cops might as well just show up and shoot him immediately.
No, the risk for waving a gun at innocent people is death.
I'm sorry, I'm pretty anti-police-leaning, especially anti-US-police, but if you wave a gun at innocent people, you're risking death, period.
It's not the ideal outcome, and the actual punishment should certainly not be death (nor is it), but … yeah. The US is getting what it pays for in terms of gun control here.
I’m not passing judgment on the officers actions. I come from a LEO family so my bias makes it incredibly difficult to see things objectively.
I’m merely pointing out to the person that I responded to that the officers were not “ultimately responsible” for what happened. The ultimate responsibility falls to the man who waved a gun at innocent people in the first place
So long as the gun was in his possession, he was a threat. It takes a split second for a seemingly peaceful surrender to go south. However, as I told another Tildo, I’m not passing judgement on the officers actions. My bias makes things like this incredibly difficult to view and analyze objectively.
According to some of the articles I read, there were at least two different 911 calls placed, from a Burger King in the middle of the day with multiple employees, customers, and cameras. If the 911 dispatchers were doing their jobs, they would’ve had a pretty solid physical description of the suspect. And given that the outrage is over the suspect apparently complying and still being shot and NOT over whether or not he was the right person to begin with, I’d say the responding officers were pretty certain they had the right person
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